(11-11-2019 11:54 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:36 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:17 AM)panite Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 10:00 PM)usffan Wrote:  Maybe it's just me, but I see the jobs at Arkansas and either of the Mississippi schools as coaching graveyards right now. Great if you want to go chase a paycheck, but you're pretty much stuck playing Bama, Auburn and LSU every year and likely fighting Texas A&M for 4th place, which will never be good enough for the boosters who expect more.

USFFan

Lets ask Dan Mullen about that.

Yes, let's!

2009 Mississippi State goes 3-5 in the SEC West, tied for 4th (and last, FYI)
2010 Mississippi State goes 4-4 in the SEC West, finishes 5th
2011 Mississippi State goes 2-6 in the SEC West, finishes 5th
2012 Mississippi State goes 4-4 in the SEC West, finishes 4th
2013 Mississippi State goes 3-5 in the SEC West, tied for 5th
2014 Mississippi State goes 6-2 in the SEC West, finishes 2nd
2015 Mississippi State goes 4-4 in the SEC West, tied for 4th
2016 Mississippi State goes 3-5 in the SEC West, tied for 5th
2017 Mississippi State goes 4-4 in the SEC West, tied for 4th

Nine years, never won a division, only finished higher than 4th one time. And yes, there's plenty of evidence that Bulldogs fans wanted him fired during that span...

https://mgoblog.com/diaries/coaching-can...our-target

https://maroonandwhitenation.com/2016/10...an-mullen/

https://www.teamspeedkills.com/2013/10/2...e-hot-seat

USFFan

Miss state knows their role. Arkansas thinks they are Alabama.

The absolute truth & motivation. They still see visions some 60 years later of Lance Alworth & Billy Moore leading them to the promised land under Frank Broyles.

(11-11-2019 11:36 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:17 AM)panite Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 10:00 PM)usffan Wrote:  Maybe it's just me, but I see the jobs at Arkansas and either of the Mississippi schools as coaching graveyards right now. Great if you want to go chase a paycheck, but you're pretty much stuck playing Bama, Auburn and LSU every year and likely fighting Texas A&M for 4th place, which will never be good enough for the boosters who expect more.

USFFan

Lets ask Dan Mullen about that.

Yes, let's!

2009 Mississippi State goes 3-5 in the SEC West, tied for 4th (and last, FYI)
2010 Mississippi State goes 4-4 in the SEC West, finishes 5th
2011 Mississippi State goes 2-6 in the SEC West, finishes 5th
2012 Mississippi State goes 4-4 in the SEC West, finishes 4th
2013 Mississippi State goes 3-5 in the SEC West, tied for 5th
2014 Mississippi State goes 6-2 in the SEC West, finishes 2nd
2015 Mississippi State goes 4-4 in the SEC West, tied for 4th
2016 Mississippi State goes 3-5 in the SEC West, tied for 5th
2017 Mississippi State goes 4-4 in the SEC West, tied for 4th

Nine years, never won a division, only finished higher than 4th one time. And yes, there's plenty of evidence that Bulldogs fans wanted him fired during that span...

https://mgoblog.com/diaries/coaching-can...our-target

https://maroonandwhitenation.com/2016/10...an-mullen/

https://www.teamspeedkills.com/2013/10/2...e-hot-seat

USFFan

Yes - maybe - but - by surviving there he picked up the Florida gig and is set for life. It's not a total wasteland for all is what I'm talking about.

(11-11-2019 02:29 PM)panite Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:36 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:17 AM)panite Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 10:00 PM)usffan Wrote:  Maybe it's just me, but I see the jobs at Arkansas and either of the Mississippi schools as coaching graveyards right now. Great if you want to go chase a paycheck, but you're pretty much stuck playing Bama, Auburn and LSU every year and likely fighting Texas A&M for 4th place, which will never be good enough for the boosters who expect more.

USFFan

Lets ask Dan Mullen about that.

Yes, let's!

2009 Mississippi State goes 3-5 in the SEC West, tied for 4th (and last, FYI)
2010 Mississippi State goes 4-4 in the SEC West, finishes 5th
2011 Mississippi State goes 2-6 in the SEC West, finishes 5th
2012 Mississippi State goes 4-4 in the SEC West, finishes 4th
2013 Mississippi State goes 3-5 in the SEC West, tied for 5th
2014 Mississippi State goes 6-2 in the SEC West, finishes 2nd
2015 Mississippi State goes 4-4 in the SEC West, tied for 4th
2016 Mississippi State goes 3-5 in the SEC West, tied for 5th
2017 Mississippi State goes 4-4 in the SEC West, tied for 4th

Nine years, never won a division, only finished higher than 4th one time. And yes, there's plenty of evidence that Bulldogs fans wanted him fired during that span...

https://mgoblog.com/diaries/coaching-can...our-target

https://maroonandwhitenation.com/2016/10...an-mullen/

https://www.teamspeedkills.com/2013/10/2...e-hot-seat

USFFan

Yes - maybe - but - by surviving there he picked up the Florida gig and is set for life. It's not a total wasteland for all is what I'm talking about.

And yet, you posted what you did in response to me, where pretty much every single thing I said about that job wasn't wrong...

USFFan

USFFan

(11-11-2019 03:04 PM)usffan Wrote:  

USFFan

I like to call this "out of the frying pan, into the fire". Doubt he will do this... He has used other positions to get more money multiple times. Sounds like a play to me. Nobody leaves Auburn to go to freaking arkansas.

(11-11-2019 03:04 PM)usffan Wrote:  

USFFan

Malzahn has been on the warm seat for the last few seasons & will likely be fired if he loses to UGA & Bama (a real possibility, of course he could win them both too with that defense). I'm guessing he is looking for a place to land - and AR is the perfect place given he coached there & in the area as a HS coach where he is a living legend.

Western Kentucky, that was an impressive win.

(11-10-2019 09:37 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 09:26 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  If Norvell leaves Memphis, you ought to think about Willie Taggart. He inherited a bigger mess than he probably even anticipated. I don’t think I would give him a rebuild job, but he ought to be able to maintain the new standard at Memphis.

Rhule is the guy y’all need to be going after. Let him bring his own staff and create his own culture.

Once again I state that Norvell should not consider the AR position.

You don't think Norvell should consider Arky, but Rhule should. How do you explain that

Arkansas can't afford Rhule's buyout. Don't care how rich daddy Jerry is.

(11-11-2019 01:50 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:54 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:36 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:17 AM)panite Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 10:00 PM)usffan Wrote:  Maybe it's just me, but I see the jobs at Arkansas and either of the Mississippi schools as coaching graveyards right now. Great if you want to go chase a paycheck, but you're pretty much stuck playing Bama, Auburn and LSU every year and likely fighting Texas A&M for 4th place, which will never be good enough for the boosters who expect more.

USFFan

Lets ask Dan Mullen about that.

Yes, let's!

2009 Mississippi State goes 3-5 in the SEC West, tied for 4th (and last, FYI)
2010 Mississippi State goes 4-4 in the SEC West, finishes 5th
2011 Mississippi State goes 2-6 in the SEC West, finishes 5th
2012 Mississippi State goes 4-4 in the SEC West, finishes 4th
2013 Mississippi State goes 3-5 in the SEC West, tied for 5th
2014 Mississippi State goes 6-2 in the SEC West, finishes 2nd
2015 Mississippi State goes 4-4 in the SEC West, tied for 4th
2016 Mississippi State goes 3-5 in the SEC West, tied for 5th
2017 Mississippi State goes 4-4 in the SEC West, tied for 4th

Nine years, never won a division, only finished higher than 4th one time. And yes, there's plenty of evidence that Bulldogs fans wanted him fired during that span...

https://mgoblog.com/diaries/coaching-can...our-target

https://maroonandwhitenation.com/2016/10...an-mullen/

https://www.teamspeedkills.com/2013/10/2...e-hot-seat

USFFan

Miss state knows their role. Arkansas thinks they are Alabama.

The absolute truth & motivation. They still see visions some 60 years later of Lance Alworth & Billy Moore leading them to the promised land under Frank Broyles.

Correct and 60 years ago Arkansaas played in a very weak SWC

WELL, not so weak SWC. Arkansas and Texas were both in Top Ten several times during 60s while in the SWC and other teams were ranked. Its demise was due to being too Regional, all Texas plus Ark.

(11-12-2019 10:12 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Arkansas can't afford Rhule's buyout. Don't care how rich daddy Jerry is.

I think they can but he ain't worth it. I don't think Malzahn is either. If malzahn goes to ark it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Norvell go to Auburn

Either way Arkansas is still Arkansas. They cant change that

(11-12-2019 04:39 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  WELL, not so weak SWC. Arkansas and Texas were both in Top Ten several times during 60s while in the SWC and other teams were ranked. Its demise was due to being too Regional, all Texas plus Ark.

Should have added Memphis State Tulane and Louisville in 1991, when they still could have kept the thing alive.

I often hoped there would be a documentary made about the ole SWC. If you know of one out there, please let me know! I think it's a story as compelling as the 30 for 30 made about the Death Penalty at SMU. But then again, what do I know?

Post: #74RE: Chad Morris Fired!!
https://oklahoman.com/article/2449982/so...r-overhaul

Check out this old article from 1993

(11-12-2019 05:57 PM)Coach Bonez89 Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 04:39 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  WELL, not so weak SWC. Arkansas and Texas were both in Top Ten several times during 60s while in the SWC and other teams were ranked. Its demise was due to being too Regional, all Texas plus Ark.

Should have added Memphis State Tulane and Louisville in 1991, when they still could have kept the thing alive.

I often hoped there would be a documentary made about the ole SWC. If you know of one out there, please let me know! I think it's a story as compelling as the 30 for 30 made about the Death Penalty at SMU. But then again, what do I know?

Post: #74RE: Chad Morris Fired!!
https://oklahoman.com/article/2449982/so...r-overhaul

Check out this old article from 1993

UT(Tex) didn't want to be in a conference with Memphis & Louisville - just like UTK doesn't.... too easy to compare the relative merits/performance of the programs.

I guess that the SEC schools want quick fixes and he did not do that. He got a nice parting gift in the millions and he will end up being a coordinator somewhere in the near future!

(11-13-2019 01:33 PM)HoustonCougarNation Wrote:  I guess that the SEC schools want quick fixes and he did not do that. He got a nice parting gift in the millions and he will end up being a coordinator somewhere in the near future!

Well, Morris' contract calls for that nice parting gift but given AR's decision to breach the contract terms with the last fired coach, Beilema, & not pay that parting gift, what he is due under the contract terms, who knows? So... I'd say it remains to be determined.

(11-13-2019 01:33 PM)HoustonCougarNation Wrote:  I guess that the SEC schools want quick fixes and he did not do that. He got a nice parting gift in the millions and he will end up being a coordinator somewhere in the near future!

He was coach for nearly two years and didn’t a single P5 game. With LSU and Missouri left on their schedule, it was unlikely to change. He took a struggling program and made it worse.

Btw - didn’t you guys fire Levine and Applewhite despite bowl appearances?

(11-13-2019 07:02 PM)Digetydog Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 01:33 PM)HoustonCougarNation Wrote:  I guess that the SEC schools want quick fixes and he did not do that. He got a nice parting gift in the millions and he will end up being a coordinator somewhere in the near future!

He was coach for nearly two years and didn’t a single P5 game. With LSU and Missouri left on their schedule, it was unlikely to change. He took a struggling program and made it worse.

Btw - didn’t you guys fire Levine and Applewhite despite bowl appearances?

But to be fair, Morris was attempting to install a spread offense with Beilema guys who were recruited to run an old style B1G grind it out running game. That's a 3-5 year process to make that kind of change.

(11-13-2019 01:33 PM)HoustonCougarNation Wrote:  I guess that the SEC schools want quick fixes and he did not do that. He got a nice parting gift in the millions and he will end up being a coordinator somewhere in the near future!

Quick fix nothing - the exodus had begun.

The boosters will let you go 0-12 your second season if there is hope for improvement next year, but it couldn't be more obvious that his team had quit on him and that had started to bleed into recruiting. Arkansas had lost either 3 or 4 commitments, including their top defensive commitment, and that's the end of the road for you if that happens.

I don't care what anybody says - high school kids aren't stupid, and you can't sell an SEC West caliber recruit on a five TD home loss to Western Kentucky. The Chad Regime had, fair or not, come to a close and I admire them for making the call when they did.

(11-12-2019 07:08 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 05:57 PM)Coach Bonez89 Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 04:39 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  WELL, not so weak SWC. Arkansas and Texas were both in Top Ten several times during 60s while in the SWC and other teams were ranked. Its demise was due to being too Regional, all Texas plus Ark.

Should have added Memphis State Tulane and Louisville in 1991, when they still could have kept the thing alive.

I often hoped there would be a documentary made about the ole SWC. If you know of one out there, please let me know! I think it's a story as compelling as the 30 for 30 made about the Death Penalty at SMU. But then again, what do I know?

Post: #74RE: Chad Morris Fired!!
https://oklahoman.com/article/2449982/so...r-overhaul

Check out this old article from 1993

UT(Tex) didn't want to be in a conference with Memphis & Louisville - just like UTK doesn't.... too easy to compare the relative merits/performance of the programs.

The difference is, the Southeastern Conference wasn't falling apart, especially in the dramatic nature, the Southwest Conference was. The SEC wasn't about to fold in two years, so the situations aren't comparable at all. Actually, foolish to bring up that comparison, at all. In layman's terms, apples to oranges.

I really get a little ticked at how some think Tennessee is why Memphis didn't get in the SEC, as if Ole Miss wasn't the one leading that fight. Especially given they had more to lose. At that time, Ole Miss was still playing the occasional home game at the Liberty Bowl into the mid 1990s, because of how small their facility was. I know for a fact Ole Miss hosted Tennessee at Liberty Bowl Memorial stadium in 1990 and 1996.