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RE: Memphis's #1 Hoops Recruit ruled Ineligible
(11-22-2019 12:04 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(11-22-2019 09:38 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Ewing and Hardaway offer some similarities. Neither seems to be particularly naturally outgoing or to have that "he's got this job down pat quality." Hard to explain.

I don't see either one being tremendously successful — but both could enjoy solid runs and do well in various areas of their respective jobs.

Thus far, I see Hardaway much more similar to Mullin. Both had zero coaching experience at the professional or collegiate level (Ewing, at least, was a long-time NBA coach). Both, in hiring their staffs, hired assistant coaches with little-to-zero collegiate/recruiting experience (Hardaway - Miller/Toppert, Mullin - Richmond/St. Jean), where as Ewing hired long-time collegiate head coach Louis Orr as lead assistant. Mullin at least did hire Abdelmassih, but relied on him way too much to recruit all of the prospects (Mullin/Richmond reportedly didn't like recruiting).

Where Hardaway differs from both is his AAU connections, but - thus far - those have had more of a negative impact than a positive one. Eight current players are from the Memphis area (and through his connections). I think it will inevitably be very difficult to create a sustained competitive program only recruiting one city of the country. Mullin, in a similar vein, relied too much on recruiting international prospects. Ewing has been recruiting nationally.

Again, the long-term success rate of hires like these are slim. I do think Ewing was/is positioned the best of the grouping to have long-term success (due to past experience as an NBA assistant coach, his staff hirings, the Georgetown brand and his limited recruiting record). He also looks and sounds much more likely to be there five years from now than Penny/Mullin did, but time will tell.


Good points overall but Hardaway has lured four good players (Achiuwa, Ellis, Quinones and Thomas) not from Memphis. So the jury is out on that one. I do agree he needs to recruit nationally, which he can do. And that's the key difference between Penny and Mullin. Many young men want to play for Hardaway. They relate to him (there are cultural considerations at play here, of course) and the city of Memphis has a "brand" (an NBA franchise and a large black population) that many prospects will find appealing. True, New York has pro hoops and a robust African-American culture, too, but "St. John's is to New York" is a different beast than "UofMemphis is to Memphis." The latter simply "works" more effectively (IMO) for a college hoops program. The Tigers are ingrained in the city of Memphis.

Having said all this, I remain skeptical about Penny. I want him to do well (obviously) but I struggle to see long-term success.

Ewing intrigues me in some respects. I'm not extremely optimistic but there is reason to be hopeful for Georgetown. I sure wish Big Pat well. I find him an appealing person.
11-22-2019 01:23 PM
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RE: Memphis's #1 Hoops Recruit ruled Ineligible
Wiseman withdraws from Memphis to focus on the NBA Draft:

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...701396001/
12-19-2019 03:46 PM
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(12-19-2019 03:46 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Wiseman withdraws from Memphis to focus on the NBA Draft:

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...701396001/

Not shocking at all.
12-19-2019 04:21 PM
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(12-19-2019 04:21 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 03:46 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Wiseman withdraws from Memphis to focus on the NBA Draft:

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...701396001/

Not shocking at all.

Not surprising at all.
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The one and done rule needs to be gone, and NIL fed legislation enacted.
12-20-2019 10:02 AM
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The people in his classes probably have no idea he was on their class roster lol.
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(11-09-2019 05:27 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  The NCAA better tread lightly here. Elite prospects are already staring to skip college all together. Now they want to rule the #1 overall recruit and projected #1 draft pick ineligible over some small time BS like this that went down when Penny was not even a college coach?

Not a very smart move. All they are going to do is push the top HS players away from the NCAA tourney.

If some top HS prospects opt to skip college and go to the pros, who cares? A lot of them probably have no interest in academics and no business in a classroom. Of course, the vast majority of them will never succeed either in professional sports or in any meaningful or challenging career. Let them find out the hard way.
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(12-20-2019 10:03 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  The people in his classes probably have no idea he was on their class roster lol.

From everything I've read about Wiseman, he was an excellent student. The timing of this is curious at best.
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(12-20-2019 08:24 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  
(12-20-2019 10:03 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  The people in his classes probably have no idea he was on their class roster lol.

From everything I've read about Wiseman, he was an excellent student. The timing of this is curious at best.

To become eligible to play in January, his family would have had to repay $11,500 before then. So either he somehow finds that money asap, or he signs with an agent who gives him a nice cash advance on his first pro contract. Not surprising that he chose the latter.
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(12-20-2019 09:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(12-20-2019 08:24 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  
(12-20-2019 10:03 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  The people in his classes probably have no idea he was on their class roster lol.

From everything I've read about Wiseman, he was an excellent student. The timing of this is curious at best.

To become eligible to play in January, his family would have had to repay $11,500 before then. So either he somehow finds that money asap, or he signs with an agent who gives him a nice cash advance on his first pro contract. Not surprising that he chose the latter.

Yea, there's nothing curious. He wrapped up the semester and then elected to sign a shoe deal with an advance and work out until the draft while having above-board money. Actually makes perfect sense.
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We all knew this was a sordid situation.
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(12-21-2019 10:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  We all knew this was a sordid situation.

03-lmfao Yeah, how's Will Wade enjoying getting away with what he pulled? Or Kansas, Kentucky and Duke, all in the last year or two?

But yeah, a non-Memphis coach paying $11K in moving expenses to a non-Memphis player before both wind up at Memphis is somehow "sordid," especially since Penny told the NCAA about it from the start?

Get outta here.
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