(02-24-2020 01:08 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 12:58 PM)wmmii Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 12:48 PM)3xTribe Wrote:  Percents chance we get an NIT bid if we lose in the finals and finish with a 23-11 record?

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ZERO

We have a horrible NET at 156 and the games we play will not get us that much higher especially if we lose in the finals. We just need to pray that we both win the CAA tournament and teams from other conferences win their tournament that are worse than us to fill up at least all the 16 seed slots and if hugely lucky 15 seeds. Hofstra is projected to be 14 seed with a NET of 114 now.

I think NIT is possible if we make the CAAT finals. Nathan Knight has some degree of national interest and somebody has got to go to those P5 home games.

I think CBI/CIT should also be considered -- not only to possibly benefit the underclassmen but also to benefit the seniors who have led us to such a great year. In fact, some of those games could enable Knight to break the scoring record and/or exceed 1000 rebounds. Assuming that the players themselves would want to do it, I think that it would be money well spent by the athletic department to "grow the brand". (Plus, any additional games (especially wins) just make the year look better -- and the better the year looks the better Huge thinks she looks).

I agree with you on the second part, I think both of those would be valueable, but Knight isn't enough of a draw for a team with a sub 150 NET to get in the NIT. San Diego was the lowest ranked at large last year, with a NET of 97.

(02-24-2020 01:08 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 12:58 PM)wmmii Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 12:48 PM)3xTribe Wrote:  Percents chance we get an NIT bid if we lose in the finals and finish with a 23-11 record?

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ZERO

We have a horrible NET at 156 and the games we play will not get us that much higher especially if we lose in the finals. We just need to pray that we both win the CAA tournament and teams from other conferences win their tournament that are worse than us to fill up at least all the 16 seed slots and if hugely lucky 15 seeds. Hofstra is projected to be 14 seed with a NET of 114 now.

I think NIT is possible if we make the CAAT finals. Nathan Knight has some degree of national interest and somebody has got to go to those P5 home games.

I think CBI/CIT should also be considered -- not only to possibly benefit the underclassmen but also to benefit the seniors who have led us to such a great year. In fact, some of those games could enable Knight to break the scoring record and/or exceed 1000 rebounds. Assuming that the players themselves would want to do it, I think that it would be money well spent by the athletic department to "grow the brand". (Plus, any additional games (especially wins) just make the year look better -- and the better the year looks the better Huge thinks she looks).

I agree, possible, if we make the finals which would give us 23 wins.

I think Nathan would be a factor. Also, we are ranked 93rd on the RPI rankings right now. That would probably put us ahead of other considered teams.

With Samantha here, I would be disappointed if we fell back on the old “the guys just don’t want to play” BS on the CBI and/or CIT. There had to be some other reason why W&M is the only D1 team that just refuses to participate.

(02-24-2020 01:35 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 01:08 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 12:58 PM)wmmii Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 12:48 PM)3xTribe Wrote:  Percents chance we get an NIT bid if we lose in the finals and finish with a 23-11 record?

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ZERO

We have a horrible NET at 156 and the games we play will not get us that much higher especially if we lose in the finals. We just need to pray that we both win the CAA tournament and teams from other conferences win their tournament that are worse than us to fill up at least all the 16 seed slots and if hugely lucky 15 seeds. Hofstra is projected to be 14 seed with a NET of 114 now.

I think NIT is possible if we make the CAAT finals. Nathan Knight has some degree of national interest and somebody has got to go to those P5 home games.

I think CBI/CIT should also be considered -- not only to possibly benefit the underclassmen but also to benefit the seniors who have led us to such a great year. In fact, some of those games could enable Knight to break the scoring record and/or exceed 1000 rebounds. Assuming that the players themselves would want to do it, I think that it would be money well spent by the athletic department to "grow the brand". (Plus, any additional games (especially wins) just make the year look better -- and the better the year looks the better Huge thinks she looks).

I agree, possible, if we make the finals which would give us 23 wins.

I think Nathan would be a factor. Also, we are ranked 93rd on the RPI rankings right now. That would probably put us ahead of other considered teams.

With Samantha here, I would be disappointed if we fell back on the old “the guys just don’t want to play” BS on the CBI and/or CIT. There had to be some other reason why W&M is the only D1 team that just refuses to participate.

That's not really accurate.

I'd personally rather the team play more basketball as a selfish fans, but these tournaments lose money and aren't really prestigious to recruits, players, or fans. Neither of these tournaments get teams from top conferences (P6, AAC, A10, and MWC no longer participate). Heck, no CAA teams participated in the CBI or CIT the past 4 years (Towson did participate in the failed Vegas 16 tournament 3 years back). The CIT has shrunk from 32 to 26 teams because they can't get enough teams to participate, and wind up accepting teams with losing records.

(02-24-2020 01:42 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 01:35 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 01:08 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 12:58 PM)wmmii Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 12:48 PM)3xTribe Wrote:  Percents chance we get an NIT bid if we lose in the finals and finish with a 23-11 record?

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ZERO

We have a horrible NET at 156 and the games we play will not get us that much higher especially if we lose in the finals. We just need to pray that we both win the CAA tournament and teams from other conferences win their tournament that are worse than us to fill up at least all the 16 seed slots and if hugely lucky 15 seeds. Hofstra is projected to be 14 seed with a NET of 114 now.

I think NIT is possible if we make the CAAT finals. Nathan Knight has some degree of national interest and somebody has got to go to those P5 home games.

I think CBI/CIT should also be considered -- not only to possibly benefit the underclassmen but also to benefit the seniors who have led us to such a great year. In fact, some of those games could enable Knight to break the scoring record and/or exceed 1000 rebounds. Assuming that the players themselves would want to do it, I think that it would be money well spent by the athletic department to "grow the brand". (Plus, any additional games (especially wins) just make the year look better -- and the better the year looks the better Huge thinks she looks).

I agree, possible, if we make the finals which would give us 23 wins.

I think Nathan would be a factor. Also, we are ranked 93rd on the RPI rankings right now. That would probably put us ahead of other considered teams.

With Samantha here, I would be disappointed if we fell back on the old “the guys just don’t want to play” BS on the CBI and/or CIT. There had to be some other reason why W&M is the only D1 team that just refuses to participate.

That's not really accurate.

I'd personally rather the team play more basketball as a selfish fans, but these tournaments lose money and aren't really prestigious to recruits, players, or fans. Neither of these tournaments get teams from top conferences (P6, AAC, A10, and MWC no longer participate). Heck, no CAA teams participated in the CBI or CIT the past 4 years (Towson did participate in the failed Vegas 16 tournament 3 years back). The CIT has shrunk from 32 to 26 teams because they can't get enough teams to participate, and wind up accepting teams with losing records.

What’s not accurate? No one is saying they are prestigious, still doesn’t stop a lot of similar programs from participating.

I’ve heard the excuses over and over again. We are one of the few CAA, Ivy - even state programs - that never participated. I don’t mind waiting to see where all this breaks out - who participates this year - but I hope they will think of options depending on where we end up.

Again, if we ended with a record number of wins and again opt to sit out any thought of post season - it’s just shameful.

I think this:

Quote:There had to be some other reason why W&M is the only D1 team that just refuses to participate.

Is what he is saying is inaccurate. Based on recent years, a lot of teams have started refusing to participate.

(02-24-2020 02:05 PM)wml33t Wrote:  I think this:

Quote:There had to be some other reason why W&M is the only D1 team that just refuses to participate.

Is what he is saying is inaccurate. Based on recent years, a lot of teams have started refusing to participate.

Yeah, that's what I was disputing. Plenty of schools don't participate, including our conference peers, and I'm sure the ADs have their reasons.

5 or 6 years back, they used to be better. You'd see some P6 schools joining in (The CBI did have a 14-20 West Virginia and a 15-15 DePaul participate, but those were the first power conference schools to participate in a while), as well as top mid majors. If the tournament was still full of teams like that I'd be furious if we declined our bid, but the tournaments just don't attract those teams reliably these days.

If I were Nate, I probably wouldn't play in a post season tournament other than the NIT. I'd never risk getting injured in meaningless games. I know that's not what people want to hear, but look at it from his perspective. He needs to focus on the draft.

(02-24-2020 02:17 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  If I were Nate, I probably wouldn't play in a post season tournament other than the NIT. I'd never risk getting injured in meaningless games. I know that's not what people want to hear, but look at it from his perspective. He needs to focus on the draft.

It's fine w/ me if Nate and Andy don't want to play. That gives Mehkel and others a chance.

(02-24-2020 02:57 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 02:17 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  If I were Nate, I probably wouldn't play in a post season tournament other than the NIT. I'd never risk getting injured in meaningless games. I know that's not what people want to hear, but look at it from his perspective. He needs to focus on the draft.

It's fine w/ me if Nate and Andy don't want to play. That gives Mehkel and others a chance.

That would be my only reason for considering a C-Tourney bid.

We will go from one of the most experienced teams in the country this season to one of the least experienced teams next season. I'd like to see Jihar, Mehkel, Thatcher, et al., get some valuable on the court playing time, mixed with everyone except Nate (I don't want him to get injured, either).

The tournaments aren't prestigious enough to worry about winning, but just like football teams going to lower realm Bowl Games to get extra practice, and playing time, that could work the same for us. Let the coaching staff get a feel for what they have, under game conditions, before next season.

I’m not sure what media marketing strategy one could devise to get folks to pay for a game in which, BTW, one of the teams won’t be playing its best players.

Ironically, the best year we ever had, as far as having a young team that could get practice and some publicity from a pay-to-play tournament, was last year.

I seem to recall an post-season event that obviated that option.

Does anybody but me think that the mere discussion of the NIT or any other post season tournament not named NCAA is an injustice for a bunch of kids who have fought like crazy to dig out of a 2 win 5 loss stretch by winning 4 straight? This is the same program that led some sarcastic scribe last spring to predict the final 2019/20 CAA standings and indicate that W&M would not be fielding a team this year. Yet here we are with a conference record of 12-5, an overall record of 20-10,and a second seed already secured in our back pocket. If this group of dedicated players, who actually DO love the name on the front of their jersey more than the name on the back, can't conjure up a little bit of a dream of going dancing, then I don't know what more they can do.

(02-24-2020 02:09 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 02:05 PM)wml33t Wrote:  I think this:

Quote:There had to be some other reason why W&M is the only D1 team that just refuses to participate.

Is what he is saying is inaccurate. Based on recent years, a lot of teams have started refusing to participate.

Yeah, that's what I was disputing. Plenty of schools don't participate, including our conference peers, and I'm sure the ADs have their reasons.

5 or 6 years back, they used to be better. You'd see some P6 schools joining in (The CBI did have a 14-20 West Virginia and a 15-15 DePaul participate, but those were the first power conference schools to participate in a while), as well as top mid majors. If the tournament was still full of teams like that I'd be furious if we declined our bid, but the tournaments just don't attract those teams reliably these days.

I was referring back to the start. I do get that some have more recently declined. In the history though of these tourneys, I think we stand alone - or close - the only among state D1 teams that have declined (outside Tech and UVA) - close to same for the CAA. Most of the Ivy teams have and still participate. We have declined from the onset - that's the difference.

Until we see where things fall out, I would hope we wouldn't discard any options until we see what they are. If we do not get an NCAA or NIT option, I am sure the others will be there to consider if we want.

(02-24-2020 02:57 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 02:17 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  If I were Nate, I probably wouldn't play in a post season tournament other than the NIT. I'd never risk getting injured in meaningless games. I know that's not what people want to hear, but look at it from his perspective. He needs to focus on the draft.

It's fine w/ me if Nate and Andy don't want to play. That gives Mehkel and others a chance.

The offense Dane is using is designed around Nate and Andy. It depends on them getting a lot of touches on the ball in the high post. Mehkel is not IMO at his best in this offense and is a true low post player. Depending on who we recruit for next year the offense maybe be different to take advantage of Mehkel's strengthens...

(02-24-2020 04:26 PM)billymac Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 02:57 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 02:17 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  If I were Nate, I probably wouldn't play in a post season tournament other than the NIT. I'd never risk getting injured in meaningless games. I know that's not what people want to hear, but look at it from his perspective. He needs to focus on the draft.

It's fine w/ me if Nate and Andy don't want to play. That gives Mehkel and others a chance.

That would be my only reason for considering a C-Tourney bid.

We will go from one of the most experienced teams in the country this season to one of the least experienced teams next season. I'd like to see Jihar, Mehkel, Thatcher, et al., get some valuable on the court playing time, mixed with everyone except Nate (I don't want him to get injured, either).

The tournaments aren't prestigious enough to worry about winning, but just like football teams going to lower realm Bowl Games to get extra practice, and playing time, that could work the same for us. Let the coaching staff get a feel for what they have, under game conditions, before next season.

Has it been 4 years since the last international summer trip? Might be more the way to go.

(02-24-2020 01:22 PM)wmmii Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 01:08 PM)Zorch Wrote:  I think NIT is possible if we make the CAAT finals. Nathan Knight has some degree of national interest and somebody has got to go to those P5 home games.

NIT will not be looking at Nathan's playing as a draw, might have considered our attendance as a plus but our NET makes that impossible to play at home. Still say ZERO chance

You are unfortunately correct.

Yup. CofC had 23 wins last year including wins over Memphis and VCU and barely got a sniff from the NIT. You have to have an extremely high NET to get a non-auto NIT bid from outside the top 10 leagues.

Towson up 10 over Hofstra at the under 4 media TO. I feel dirty rooting for the Tigers, but my disdain for Mihailic makes it easy.

(02-27-2020 08:38 PM)ScottyB757 Wrote:  Towson up 10 over Hofstra at the under 4 media TO. I feel dirty rooting for the Tigers, but my disdain for Mihailic makes it easy.

A Towson win makes Saturday more interesting.

(02-27-2020 08:41 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 08:38 PM)ScottyB757 Wrote:  Towson up 10 over Hofstra at the under 4 media TO. I feel dirty rooting for the Tigers, but my disdain for Mihailic makes it easy.

A Towson win makes Saturday more interesting.

My thought exactly about Mihailic!!

(02-27-2020 08:41 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 08:38 PM)ScottyB757 Wrote:  Towson up 10 over Hofstra at the under 4 media TO. I feel dirty rooting for the Tigers, but my disdain for Mihailic makes it easy.

A Towson win makes Saturday more interesting.

That’s the only reason I’m suffering through the commentators we’re not supposed to disparage in this forum.