(11-04-2019 07:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 06:57 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 06:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 04:53 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Brent Venerables to me is the guy, but does he want to the headaches of the head coach?

Thus far he's shown little desire for a head coaching job.


And I seriously doubt he's willing to risk the plum job he's got to go to a dumpster fire that's growing larger by the minute where the boosters expect a 180 degree turnaround in less than a year and a half or else you are out of there.

I know you hate FSU and want to perceive it as a dumpsterfire, but FSU still has a chance to go to a bowl this year, and that would make 1 losing season in 40 years

Arkansas is a dumpsterfire

I hate FSU? Since when?


If your football knowledge is anything like your ability to read a poster's intentions you don't know jack **** about football.

Well I called Taggart getting fired after losing to Miami, so I must know something lol

(11-04-2019 07:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 06:52 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 04:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 01:00 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 12:56 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I still think FSU fired Taggart too fast. Taggart's mode has been to take a year or two before turning things around.

Plus, not every great coach is an instant hit. E.g., Dabo was hired by Clemson during the 2008 season, and went 4-3. Then in 2009, he went 9-5, but in 2010, he went 6-7, capped by a loss to USF in a minor bowl.

So after 34 games, Dabo was 19-15, and 1-2 in minor bowls.

FSU probably would have fired him right then and there ...

You don't get it....which is fine, nothing wrong with that

No, time will tell who "gets it". You have no idea whether firing Taggart is the right move or not. Like me, you just have an opinion about it.

I have watched FSU football since 1987. I am absolutely positive this is the right move. I know exactly what they need

You are someone that posts a whole lot of nothing on a constant basis

I have watched FSU football since 1983.

You don't know anything. If you did, FSU would be calling you up to spearhead the search committee. I doubt they are doing that.

All you have is your hot-air opinion.

Well I called Taggart getting fired after losing to Miami, so I must know something lol

(11-04-2019 07:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 06:52 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 04:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 01:00 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 12:56 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I still think FSU fired Taggart too fast. Taggart's mode has been to take a year or two before turning things around.

Plus, not every great coach is an instant hit. E.g., Dabo was hired by Clemson during the 2008 season, and went 4-3. Then in 2009, he went 9-5, but in 2010, he went 6-7, capped by a loss to USF in a minor bowl.

So after 34 games, Dabo was 19-15, and 1-2 in minor bowls.

FSU probably would have fired him right then and there ...

You don't get it....which is fine, nothing wrong with that

No, time will tell who "gets it". You have no idea whether firing Taggart is the right move or not. Like me, you just have an opinion about it.

I have watched FSU football since 1987. I am absolutely positive this is the right move. I know exactly what they need

You are someone that posts a whole lot of nothing on a constant basis

Folks this is what is called a classic projection. Go for the argument, not the poster!

No projection at all

Quo argues just to argue, he has been doing it on this board for years lol

He simply doesn't understand the situation at FSU. Many knowledgable FSU posters have posted good stuff on the ACC board on the frustration pre- and post- Taggart..it's a simple click away

(11-04-2019 06:48 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 03:31 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 02:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Taggart is a disciplinarian

Least penalized teams in FBS football for teams coached by Taggart

2019 Florida State 126/130 (through 11/4)
2018 Florida State 130/130
2017 Oregon 129/130
2016 USF 86/128
2015 USF 46/128
2014 USF 81/128
2013 USF 124/125
2012 WKU 65/124
2011 WKU 115/120

Yes sir - Willie Taggart's middle name is discipline...

USFFan

Lol

Willie seemed like a friendly guy...he came off to me like a friend of the players, instead of someone who was about to chew your ass off

I don't think Willie's approach is wrong, but FSU needs someone with some anger in their voice

Jim Leavitt?

(11-04-2019 07:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 06:48 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 03:31 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 02:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Taggart is a disciplinarian

Least penalized teams in FBS football for teams coached by Taggart

2019 Florida State 126/130 (through 11/4)
2018 Florida State 130/130
2017 Oregon 129/130
2016 USF 86/128
2015 USF 46/128
2014 USF 81/128
2013 USF 124/125
2012 WKU 65/124
2011 WKU 115/120

Yes sir - Willie Taggart's middle name is discipline...

USFFan

Lol

Willie seemed like a friendly guy...he came off to me like a friend of the players, instead of someone who was about to chew your ass off

I don't think Willie's approach is wrong, but FSU needs someone with some anger in their voice

Jim Leavitt?

I think he's a good default choice

If FSU can't find a better fit, Leavitt will work IMO

I also like Matt Rhule and the Memphis coach

(11-04-2019 07:41 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 07:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 06:57 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 06:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 04:53 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Brent Venerables to me is the guy, but does he want to the headaches of the head coach?

Thus far he's shown little desire for a head coaching job.


And I seriously doubt he's willing to risk the plum job he's got to go to a dumpster fire that's growing larger by the minute where the boosters expect a 180 degree turnaround in less than a year and a half or else you are out of there.

I know you hate FSU and want to perceive it as a dumpsterfire, but FSU still has a chance to go to a bowl this year, and that would make 1 losing season in 40 years

Arkansas is a dumpsterfire

I hate FSU? Since when?


If your football knowledge is anything like your ability to read a poster's intentions you don't know jack **** about football.

Well I called Taggart getting fired after losing to Miami, so I must know something lol

Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. Just like stupid posters get something right every now and then.

(11-04-2019 08:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 07:41 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 07:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 06:57 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 06:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Thus far he's shown little desire for a head coaching job.


And I seriously doubt he's willing to risk the plum job he's got to go to a dumpster fire that's growing larger by the minute where the boosters expect a 180 degree turnaround in less than a year and a half or else you are out of there.

I know you hate FSU and want to perceive it as a dumpsterfire, but FSU still has a chance to go to a bowl this year, and that would make 1 losing season in 40 years

Arkansas is a dumpsterfire

I hate FSU? Since when?


If your football knowledge is anything like your ability to read a poster's intentions you don't know jack **** about football.

Well I called Taggart getting fired after losing to Miami, so I must know something lol

Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. Just like stupid posters get something right every now and then.

I was right because it was the right thing to do. Obviously a lot of people with a lot of money agreed with me

I didn't want Taggart to fail, I liked him a lot. I wanted him to succeed

But it's obvious he didn't have what FSU needs

Like I asked earlier...Miami has Oline issues, Miami has QB issues, how did they beat FSU? No one wanted to answer that lol

Taggart wasn't conquering the issues, the issues were conquering him

(11-04-2019 08:11 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 08:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 07:41 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 07:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 06:57 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I know you hate FSU and want to perceive it as a dumpsterfire, but FSU still has a chance to go to a bowl this year, and that would make 1 losing season in 40 years

Arkansas is a dumpsterfire

I hate FSU? Since when?


If your football knowledge is anything like your ability to read a poster's intentions you don't know jack **** about football.

Well I called Taggart getting fired after losing to Miami, so I must know something lol

Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. Just like stupid posters get something right every now and then.

I was right because it was the right thing to do. Obviously a lot of people with a lot of money agreed with me

I didn't want Taggart to fail, I liked him a lot. I wanted him to succeed

But it's obvious he didn't have what FSU needs

Like I asked earlier...Miami has Oline issues, Miami has QB issues, how did they beat FSU? No one wanted to answer that lol

Taggart wasn't conquering the issues, the issues were conquering him

Miami was a continuity hire, and while they have OL problems their OL isn't anywhere near as bad as FSU's OL, and their QB situation is better as well. The only OL situations in the ACC worse than FSU are at GT and Syracuse.


And we'll never know if Taggart had what it took to fix FSU because he didn't get the chance since FSU went all Tennessee on him.

(11-04-2019 08:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 08:11 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 08:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 07:41 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 07:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I hate FSU? Since when?


If your football knowledge is anything like your ability to read a poster's intentions you don't know jack **** about football.

Well I called Taggart getting fired after losing to Miami, so I must know something lol

Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. Just like stupid posters get something right every now and then.

I was right because it was the right thing to do. Obviously a lot of people with a lot of money agreed with me

I didn't want Taggart to fail, I liked him a lot. I wanted him to succeed

But it's obvious he didn't have what FSU needs

Like I asked earlier...Miami has Oline issues, Miami has QB issues, how did they beat FSU? No one wanted to answer that lol

Taggart wasn't conquering the issues, the issues were conquering him

Miami was a continuity hire, and while they have OL problems their OL isn't anywhere near as bad as FSU's OL, and their QB situation is better as well. The only OL situations in the ACC worse than FSU are at GT and Syracuse.


And we'll never know if Taggart had what it took to fix FSU because he didn't get the chance since FSU went all Tennessee on him.

There was absolutely no evidence suggesting he was about to turn a corner

None

Zippo

(11-04-2019 04:53 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Brent Venerables to me is the guy, but does he want to the headaches of the head coach?

Jeez, exactly how old is he?

USFFan

(11-04-2019 08:22 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 06:22 AM)kurtrundell Wrote:  I'd really like to see how Mike Leach would do at a school with the money and recruiting grounds that FSU has. He'd win 10 games a year there, with the only impediment being Clemson.

Meh...Idk

FSU sorely needs a disciplinarian

Think more along the lines of Bob Stoops, Mark Stoops, Kirby Smart, Narduzzi

I don't want offensive gurumanship. I want to see fundamentals, Football basics 101, physical football

Kirby Smart isn't going anywhere. Can't speak for the others though. And Leach is a disciplinarian too!!

(11-04-2019 03:43 PM)usffan Wrote:  I pointed this out elsewhere, but this hire is going to be complicated for FSU because their president is 75 years old and the speculation is that he's going to retire when his contract is up in November of 2020, and AD David Coburn is also in his 70's and has only been an AD at any level when he took over first as interim AD and then official AD last year at FSU. So with the considerable prospects that your boss (and your boss' boss) are probably going to be gone within the next 2 years, convincing a coach in a remotely stable position to move to Tallahassee isn't going to be easy.

Throw in the chaos of bringing the Seminole Boosters back into the department after years of autonomy and the uncertainty that that represents, and there's an awful lot of ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ahead for whoever takes that job...

USFFan

Yeah, and after reading the take from Coburn on ESPN, the finance piece makes even less sense and cause for concern. But, well, “six and six isn’t good enough.”

You’d think this was FSUAA’s coming out party, and just throwing its weight around. Great logic...money’s bad now, wait until it gets worse? What a value-add!

(11-05-2019 04:43 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 03:43 PM)usffan Wrote:  I pointed this out elsewhere, but this hire is going to be complicated for FSU because their president is 75 years old and the speculation is that he's going to retire when his contract is up in November of 2020, and AD David Coburn is also in his 70's and has only been an AD at any level when he took over first as interim AD and then official AD last year at FSU. So with the considerable prospects that your boss (and your boss' boss) are probably going to be gone within the next 2 years, convincing a coach in a remotely stable position to move to Tallahassee isn't going to be easy.

Throw in the chaos of bringing the Seminole Boosters back into the department after years of autonomy and the uncertainty that that represents, and there's an awful lot of ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ahead for whoever takes that job...

USFFan

Yeah, and after reading the take from Coburn on ESPN, the finance piece makes even less sense and cause for concern. But, well, “six and six isn’t good enough.”

You’d think this was FSUAA’s coming out party, and just throwing its weight around. Great logic...money’s bad now, wait until it gets worse? What a value-add!

It was. It was the FSUAA showing the world it can be just as stupid as the Tennessee Fund.

Bob Stoops is going to be the next HC. Keeping Briles on as OC and potential HC in waiting. Leavitt staying on as DC.

(11-05-2019 06:33 AM)3BNole Wrote:  Bob Stoops is going to be the next HC. Keeping Briles on as OC and potential HC in waiting. Leavitt staying on as DC.

I think that is a solid plan

(11-05-2019 07:31 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 06:33 AM)3BNole Wrote:  Bob Stoops is going to be the next HC. Keeping Briles on as OC and potential HC in waiting. Leavitt staying on as DC.

I think that is a solid plan

I'm sure there are still a lot of details to be worked out, but if the Noles can pull this off... that's DEFINITELY a coaching upgrade!

(11-05-2019 07:31 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 06:33 AM)3BNole Wrote:  Bob Stoops is going to be the next HC. Keeping Briles on as OC and potential HC in waiting. Leavitt staying on as DC.

I think that is a solid plan

I sure hope for FSU's sake they can pull it off, but as the old saying goes, loose lips sink ships. If this doesn't work out, now that somebody put this out there, the fan base will be underwhelmed by just about anybody else...

USFFan

(11-05-2019 06:33 AM)3BNole Wrote:  Bob Stoops is going to be the next HC.

If FSU gets Stoops, then I would change my mind about firing WT too early. That would be a coup for the Noles.

Taggart had 3 different head coaching stops before FSU, and how many seasons did he have that would be considered good by the standards of the program he was at? I would say only his last season at USF when he had a poor man's Vince Young at quarterback.

If I were FSU I might've given him a shot if it were after 2016, but IMO throwing $5 million a year to pluck him away from Oregon was just excessive. Oregon won that coaching exchange for sure.

As for who the replacement will be, I doubt Stoops will come to FSU and if he's not available I'd hire David Cutliffe.