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(11-02-2019 08:30 PM)Dave. Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 08:26 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  I watched several games the last few days. I saw several blatant flops on defense to slow the offense down. Anyone else see NCAA rules coming down next year to stop this?

I don't see how you can make a rule. I, for one, am a proponent of ruling in favor of the potentially injured. However, our guy that popped up and mouthed off Thursday night was CLEARLY not injured. But that's a judgment call that a referee is NOT qualified to make. Leave it to the professionals.

I would agree with your sentiments. I did make a comment at the game Thursday that the way the player popped up was not very convincing and that if one is going to flop at least see it through with a bit of acting.

There are some rules in place where time rolls off the clock for an offensive injury. Maybe allow a bit of time to be added if the defensive goes down and the offensive wants the time to be added back. Adding 10 seconds is enough to run a quick play. A small incentive to not flop.

At least we are not looking at flops like are done in association football.
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My opinion is one of the reasons attendance is falling is because games now run past 3 hours pretty consistently and 3:30 is about the norm.

The flopping doesn’t help.

My solution.
If an injury timeout stops a running clock and 10 second runoff doesn’t apply the team of the injured player can take a timeout and the player can remain in the game, accept a 5 second runoff and player is ineligible until change of possession or 10 seconds and return on the next first down. The opponent can waive the runoff to prevent exploiting it.

For years college had a 15 minute halftime that could be extended to 20 for special events if the home team notified the visitors in advance and finally became permanent 20 minutes. NFL does 12 minutes but no marching bands. Cut halftime to 17 minutes.


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RE: Flopping
How about we have a rule to prevent flopping AND we repeal all the rules that make it easy for offenses to pass over the middle. Let's bring back the decapitation penalty for going across the middle. I'm sick of watching flag-football offense. Let's also eliminate the QB slide and restrictions on hitting the QB when he has the ball or 2 steps after release.
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You be quiet. That's like football or something. We can't do that!
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(11-05-2019 08:59 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  How about we have a rule to prevent flopping AND we repeal all the rules that make it easy for offenses to pass over the middle. Let's bring back the decapitation penalty for going across the middle. I'm sick of watching flag-football offense. Let's also eliminate the QB slide and restrictions on hitting the QB when he has the ball or 2 steps after release.

What "football" is depends heavily on what you grew up watching. The game today is different from the game in the 70's and 80's but that game was significantly different from the 1950's and 60"s (it was a lot whiter then too), and that game wasn't like the 30's and that wasn't like the 20's or the 10's.

Football evolves based on the needs of the game.

Simply basic physics come into play.
The "put a dress on them" football of today is more violent than football was decades ago. Larger players (ie. greater mass) and faster than their sport forebears.

The typical QB today upon being sacked is absorbing more force per hit than a QB from 1979.

The player today has typically had formal coaching for 9 to 12 years vs six in the past. The player today doesn't put the cleats on the week before Labor Day and hang them up after Thanksgiving. Then we added spring camp. Then we took the college schedule from 10 and maybe 11 with a bowl that less than 10% of teams played in to 12 regular season and more teams play a 13th and 14th via a conference title game than used to play 11 games. Most of the schools will play a 13th via a bowl game. Usually two will play 14.

The high school season is longer. The NFL season is longer and the playoffs are bigger and longer.

The player today takes more force per hit and he gets hit more times per year than "the tough guys" of 50 years ago.

On top of that, the college player isn't going home in the summer hanging out with friends, maybe working a summer job, no he's on campus doing "voluntary" workouts.

Spare me the nostalgia, today's game is more violent and the players tougher.
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RE: Flopping
(11-06-2019 10:50 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 08:59 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  How about we have a rule to prevent flopping AND we repeal all the rules that make it easy for offenses to pass over the middle. Let's bring back the decapitation penalty for going across the middle. I'm sick of watching flag-football offense. Let's also eliminate the QB slide and restrictions on hitting the QB when he has the ball or 2 steps after release.

What "football" is depends heavily on what you grew up watching. The game today is different from the game in the 70's and 80's but that game was significantly different from the 1950's and 60"s (it was a lot whiter then too), and that game wasn't like the 30's and that wasn't like the 20's or the 10's.

Football evolves based on the needs of the game.

Simply basic physics come into play.
The "put a dress on them" football of today is more violent than football was decades ago. Larger players (ie. greater mass) and faster than their sport forebears.

The typical QB today upon being sacked is absorbing more force per hit than a QB from 1979.

The player today has typically had formal coaching for 9 to 12 years vs six in the past. The player today doesn't put the cleats on the week before Labor Day and hang them up after Thanksgiving. Then we added spring camp. Then we took the college schedule from 10 and maybe 11 with a bowl that less than 10% of teams played in to 12 regular season and more teams play a 13th and 14th via a conference title game than used to play 11 games. Most of the schools will play a 13th via a bowl game. Usually two will play 14.

The high school season is longer. The NFL season is longer and the playoffs are bigger and longer.

The player today takes more force per hit and he gets hit more times per year than "the tough guys" of 50 years ago.

On top of that, the college player isn't going home in the summer hanging out with friends, maybe working a summer job, no he's on campus doing "voluntary" workouts.

Spare me the nostalgia, today's game is more violent and the players tougher.

Ok, well that training should led to better, safer techniques.
Plus the equipment they play with today is safer. Don't see any leather helmets or 1 bar face mask either.

The rules to protect specific players like QB's have gotten ridiculous. It's obvious they are protecting the $$MONEY$$ players more than the rest.

Very few teams/players play 14 games. There are a total of 18 teams playing in CCGs. And adding more bowls doesn't add any hits to ones already playing in bowls, just a different set of players getting hit the same amount of time.

Players are stronger and faster. Also more conditioned, which can help to prevent injuries in some cases. Sure, if you took a player from long ago and threw him into the middle of today's game, he'd be at a bigger risk for some injuries today. He'd be safer from other injuries due to rule changes.

As far as flopping goes, it's going to be hard to legislate. The sitting out the next play is big if that's a key player. And running more time off the clock or adding time doesn't always hurt the defense. IF it's that they need a breather or a coach needs a second to think - time clock might not be a big factor.

Maybe you can extend the plays sitting out to 2 or something but at some point, you could be providing an incentive for a player to be intentionally hurt (nut shot under the pile/twist an ankle, etc) by the opposing team. If a few seconds of lying on the field at the end of a play is all that is required that a player have to leave the game/ the quarter or even the rest of that drive. I don't like the road that leds us down.
Especially when a legitimate injury might be covered up to avoid being pulled for that length of time.

It (flopping) slows an offense down, idk how much that "hurts" the game. No question many of these are fake, but 1 real injury that is made worse due a rule change isn't worth trading imop for avoiding whatever harm is caused to the game. Losing a starter for a play can be huge, it's already a risk when these guys do it now.
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RE: Flopping
(11-06-2019 10:50 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 08:59 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  How about we have a rule to prevent flopping AND we repeal all the rules that make it easy for offenses to pass over the middle. Let's bring back the decapitation penalty for going across the middle. I'm sick of watching flag-football offense. Let's also eliminate the QB slide and restrictions on hitting the QB when he has the ball or 2 steps after release.

What "football" is depends heavily on what you grew up watching. The game today is different from the game in the 70's and 80's but that game was significantly different from the 1950's and 60"s (it was a lot whiter then too), and that game wasn't like the 30's and that wasn't like the 20's or the 10's.

Football evolves based on the needs of the game.

Simply basic physics come into play.
The "put a dress on them" football of today is more violent than football was decades ago. Larger players (ie. greater mass) and faster than their sport forebears.

The typical QB today upon being sacked is absorbing more force per hit than a QB from 1979.

The player today has typically had formal coaching for 9 to 12 years vs six in the past. The player today doesn't put the cleats on the week before Labor Day and hang them up after Thanksgiving. Then we added spring camp. Then we took the college schedule from 10 and maybe 11 with a bowl that less than 10% of teams played in to 12 regular season and more teams play a 13th and 14th via a conference title game than used to play 11 games. Most of the schools will play a 13th via a bowl game. Usually two will play 14.

The high school season is longer. The NFL season is longer and the playoffs are bigger and longer.

The player today takes more force per hit and he gets hit more times per year than "the tough guys" of 50 years ago.

On top of that, the college player isn't going home in the summer hanging out with friends, maybe working a summer job, no he's on campus doing "voluntary" workouts.

Spare me the nostalgia, today's game is more violent and the players tougher.

Well said! I have joked occasionally about having the QB wear a skirt (based on the rule changes) but it was just joking because what you said above is completely true. Players are bigger, stronger, faster and just generally more athletic than they were "back in the day."
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Floppers should get flogged.
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(11-05-2019 08:59 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  How about we have a rule to prevent flopping AND we repeal all the rules that make it easy for offenses to pass over the middle. Let's bring back the decapitation penalty for going across the middle. I'm sick of watching flag-football offense. Let's also eliminate the QB slide and restrictions on hitting the QB when he has the ball or 2 steps after release.

Leave it to an Armstrong Atlantic fan to suggest doing away with the forward pass and making everyone go back to the Wing-T, back to leather helmets and manual operated scoreboards. Can we use Stick-um again too??

Hell, why not let the players and coaches start smoking on the sidelines again?
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(11-06-2019 02:53 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 08:59 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  How about we have a rule to prevent flopping AND we repeal all the rules that make it easy for offenses to pass over the middle. Let's bring back the decapitation penalty for going across the middle. I'm sick of watching flag-football offense. Let's also eliminate the QB slide and restrictions on hitting the QB when he has the ball or 2 steps after release.

Leave it to an Armstrong Atlantic fan to suggest doing away with the forward pass and making everyone go back to the Wing-T, back to leather helmets and manual operated scoreboards. Can we use Stick-um again too??

Hell, why not let the players and coaches start smoking on the sidelines again?

Dangerous level of sodium in this post.
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(11-02-2019 10:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  When the player hops up to pick a fight that may warrant a penalty.


It was a cramp and he clearly only hopped up on his good leg......

OK, even I couldn't type that with a straight face.

It happens all the time. Some are more obvious than others, but some are real. I believed most of ours last week except for when two of them fell for no reason at EXACTLY the same time, and then one pops up to mouth off. That's not a good look.
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(11-06-2019 03:45 PM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 10:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  When the player hops up to pick a fight that may warrant a penalty.


It was a cramp and he clearly only hopped up on his good leg......

OK, even I couldn't type that with a straight face.

It happens all the time. Some are more obvious than others, but some are real. I believed most of ours last week except for when two of them fell for no reason at EXACTLY the same time, and then one pops up to mouth off. That's not a good look.

Simultaneous sniper attacks that are clearly directed by the coaching staff is not a good look
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(11-06-2019 03:53 PM)iStoopify Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 03:45 PM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 10:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  When the player hops up to pick a fight that may warrant a penalty.


It was a cramp and he clearly only hopped up on his good leg......

OK, even I couldn't type that with a straight face.

It happens all the time. Some are more obvious than others, but some are real. I believed most of ours last week except for when two of them fell for no reason at EXACTLY the same time, and then one pops up to mouth off. That's not a good look.

Simultaneous sniper attacks that are clearly directed by the coaching staff is not a good look

I dont think you'll have anyone in Eagle Nation disagree with you there. There was a collective cringe in southeast GA when it happened.
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Just my .02. I hate flopping and diving. It would seem to me it needs to be more than one play to sit out. After all, we're stopping the game for 5 minutes for you, but a drive can be too harsh. I would say you are sitting out until another 1st down is reached. Player needs to specifically check back in with the side or line judge.
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RE: Flopping
(11-06-2019 02:53 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 08:59 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  How about we have a rule to prevent flopping AND we repeal all the rules that make it easy for offenses to pass over the middle. Let's bring back the decapitation penalty for going across the middle. I'm sick of watching flag-football offense. Let's also eliminate the QB slide and restrictions on hitting the QB when he has the ball or 2 steps after release.

Leave it to an Armstrong Atlantic fan to suggest doing away with the forward pass and making everyone go back to the Wing-T, back to leather helmets and manual operated scoreboards. Can we use Stick-um again too??

Hell, why not let the players and coaches start smoking on the sidelines again?

I don't see a problem with smoking tobacco anywhere. I don't smoke anymore, but encroaching on personal freedom is never good. I have no problem with the forward pass. I suggest going back to pre-1980 rules which will eliminate the unfair advantage receivers have over defenders. The rules were changed to attract more people to the game and increase scoring. The middle is always open. There's a reason Roger Staubach and Terry Bradshaw don't have passing numbers that compare to today's QBs. If you want to make the game safer and stop the big hits, remove some equipment.
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(11-08-2019 05:01 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 02:53 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 08:59 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  How about we have a rule to prevent flopping AND we repeal all the rules that make it easy for offenses to pass over the middle. Let's bring back the decapitation penalty for going across the middle. I'm sick of watching flag-football offense. Let's also eliminate the QB slide and restrictions on hitting the QB when he has the ball or 2 steps after release.

Leave it to an Armstrong Atlantic fan to suggest doing away with the forward pass and making everyone go back to the Wing-T, back to leather helmets and manual operated scoreboards. Can we use Stick-um again too??

Hell, why not let the players and coaches start smoking on the sidelines again?

I don't see a problem with smoking tobacco anywhere. I don't smoke anymore, but encroaching on personal freedom is never good. I have no problem with the forward pass. I suggest going back to pre-1980 rules which will eliminate the unfair advantage receivers have over defenders. The rules were changed to attract more people to the game and increase scoring. The middle is always open. There's a reason Roger Staubach and Terry Bradshaw don't have passing numbers that compare to today's QBs. If you want to make the game safer and stop the big hits, remove some equipment.

Leather helmets!
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(11-08-2019 05:29 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  Leather helmets!

It might force players to learn how to tackle. I remember well the risk teams took when passing over the middle. I also remember admiring the football players who were skilled at running routes and truly getting open.

It's a handy strategy today to put basketball players at receiver and let them get a jump ball. The rule for passing is "the receiver must be allowed to catch the ball and take a step before the defender may attempt to stop him". For QB's, the rule is "if a defender has an opportunity to tackle a QB, he may on attempt to grab him above the waist, make no contact with the head, and gently pull him to the ground"

It's true that elite athletes are freaks of nature in terms of size and speed which is even more reason to devolve the equipment some and force them to tackle by matching speed, taking angles, and wrapping up the ball the carrier. The pass-happy, fast paced offenses exploit unfair PI and "defenseless player" rules. "Defenseless player???" - how can a player be defenseless? Are DL's getting trapped defenseless?

Flopping is a strategy that exploits the Kotex rules. Tit for tat.
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Coastal might have set a new NCAA record for flopping in our game last Thursday. Napier, who rarely shows emotion on the sideline, was all over the officials for not putting a stop to it.
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I am quite positive that every team has had someone "flop" at one time or the other. I have seen intentional flopping to slow down an offense, which is why they added to 10 second runoff or you call a time out to address the issue. I also watched a player for both ULM and Ga State Saturday night trying to get the attention of the coaching staff because they were hurt and play another down because no one saw them. ULM player had his arm hanging at his side and tapping his helmet and lined up and played another down before they could get him out. Linebacker for Ga State was hoping on one leg trying to get out and no one saw him and he played another down. Both of them should have went down to stop play. Putting officials in a position to judge whether someone is hurt or not isn't the answer. They have to err on the side of safety. Running off time is probably the best solution.
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