(10-29-2019 09:23 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 08:39 AM)esayem Wrote:  Did Cincinnati ever score against Ohio State?

No: Ohio State alum, but heart is with Cincy.

OSU, Alabama, and LSU deserve 1-3 spots as of right now in any order.

Clemson has not been what I expected or what the media was expecting.

I am no Clemson fan, but as I've said before, I just don't understand this.

I watch lots of college football every week, and to me, this Clemson team looks like pretty much every Clemson team since 2015, in other words, one of the two or three teams that is likely to be the national champion. I don't see any significant drop-off in personnel or anything else.

Especially compared to their top national championship rival, Alabama. I don't see how anyone can say Alabama has been any more impressive than Clemson.

One thing to consider when Clemson "only" beats some team by 20 that you thought they would beat by 40: Dabo has one goal in mind - being the best Clemson can be for the CFP playoffs. And because the ACC schedule has no threats, he can do that, including doing things that advance that goal even if they mean they don't win 59-0 in a given game.

I fully expect Clemson to win their first playoff game and play for the national title. I don't see why anyone wouldn't expect that. If you forced me to bet my mortgage right now on who wins it all, I would bet on Clemson. They have a great coach, great personnel, and far and away the easiest path.

(10-29-2019 09:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:23 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 08:39 AM)esayem Wrote:  Did Cincinnati ever score against Ohio State?

No: Ohio State alum, but heart is with Cincy.

OSU, Alabama, and LSU deserve 1-3 spots as of right now in any order.

Clemson has not been what I expected or what the media was expecting.

I am no Clemson fan, but as I've said before, I just don't understand this.

I watch lots of college football every week, and to me, this Clemson team looks like pretty much every Clemson team since 2015, in other words, one of the two or three teams that is likely to be the national champion. I don't see any significant drop-off in personnel or anything else.

Especially compared to their top national championship rival, Alabama. I don't see how anyone can say Alabama has been any more impressive than Clemson.

One thing to consider when Clemson "only" beats some team by 20 that you thought they would beat by 40: Dabo has one goal in mind - being the best Clemson can be for the CFP playoffs. And because the ACC schedule has no threats, he can do that, including doing things that advance that goal even if they mean they don't win 59-0 in a given game.

I fully expect Clemson to win their first playoff game and play for the national title. I don't see why anyone wouldn't expect that. If you forced me to bet my mortgage right now on who wins it all, I would bet on Clemson. They have a great coach, great personnel, and far and away the easiest path.

I agree with a lot of this. Clemson wins out and they are in. I can actually say nice things about Clemson, unlike their miserable fans.

They have as much talent as anybody and the coaches. I will say this though, it's totally on the coaches if they didn't play to their full potential against UNC. Somebody else pointed this out, not me. That's one place Ohio State has not gone this year, a let down game. They have competed strong in every game and finished off their opponents. Hopefully coaches and captains keep it this way.

This goes out to someone else.

The NFL must love slow players with all the Ohio State players that are in the league right now, lol.

The stats say that Clemson's "struggles" are a media created and driven fabrication, and in fact it's not Clemson who is significantly off the pace set last year but Alabama.

Y'all got drawn in and swallowed the bait whole. As has been my experience in the wild most suckers do just that.

I think a lot of Clemson frankly is the UNC game. And to a lesser degree the Texas A&M game. Both games closer than the closest call Alabama has had....

(10-29-2019 09:41 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:23 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 08:39 AM)esayem Wrote:  Did Cincinnati ever score against Ohio State?

No: Ohio State alum, but heart is with Cincy.

OSU, Alabama, and LSU deserve 1-3 spots as of right now in any order.

Clemson has not been what I expected or what the media was expecting.

I am no Clemson fan, but as I've said before, I just don't understand this.

I watch lots of college football every week, and to me, this Clemson team looks like pretty much every Clemson team since 2015, in other words, one of the two or three teams that is likely to be the national champion. I don't see any significant drop-off in personnel or anything else.

Especially compared to their top national championship rival, Alabama. I don't see how anyone can say Alabama has been any more impressive than Clemson.

One thing to consider when Clemson "only" beats some team by 20 that you thought they would beat by 40: Dabo has one goal in mind - being the best Clemson can be for the CFP playoffs. And because the ACC schedule has no threats, he can do that, including doing things that advance that goal even if they mean they don't win 59-0 in a given game.

I fully expect Clemson to win their first playoff game and play for the national title. I don't see why anyone wouldn't expect that. If you forced me to bet my mortgage right now on who wins it all, I would bet on Clemson. They have a great coach, great personnel, and far and away the easiest path.

I agree with a lot of this. Clemson wins out and they are in. I can actually say nice things about Clemson, unlike their miserable fans.

They have as much talent as anybody and the coaches. I will say this though, it's totally on the coaches if they didn't play to their full potential against UNC. Somebody else pointed this out, not me. That's one place Ohio State has not gone this year, a let down game. They have competed strong in every game and finished off their opponents. Hopefully coaches and captains keep it this way.

This goes out to someone else.

The NFL must love slow players with all the Ohio State players that are in the league right now, lol.

Yes, "Kaplony" loves to make cracks about "SlOWhio State" or whatever, but right now, the NCAA says Ohio State has 45 players on NFL rosters, second only to Alabama, while Clemson has 27. Pro Football Reference says its 54 to 34 for Ohio State.

Now, some of these might be legacy guys, guys who have been in the league for 10 years or so and thus don't reflect the more recent Dabo and Urban -era teams, but probably not many. We have one of them here in New Orleans, Ted Ginn, from the 2006 team. But those are surely the exceptions just because the vast majority of all NFL players haven't been in the league very long.

Bottom line is, it is absurd to mock Ohio State's talent when all the metrics say they are loaded with plenty.

ClEmSoN iS sTrUgGlInG


Clemson FBS stat rankings:

Total offense: #4
Total defense: #4
Scoring offense: #7
Scoring defense: #6


If that's struggling then there's a whole lot of college football teams that outright suck.

(10-29-2019 09:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:41 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:23 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 08:39 AM)esayem Wrote:  Did Cincinnati ever score against Ohio State?

No: Ohio State alum, but heart is with Cincy.

OSU, Alabama, and LSU deserve 1-3 spots as of right now in any order.

Clemson has not been what I expected or what the media was expecting.

I am no Clemson fan, but as I've said before, I just don't understand this.

I watch lots of college football every week, and to me, this Clemson team looks like pretty much every Clemson team since 2015, in other words, one of the two or three teams that is likely to be the national champion. I don't see any significant drop-off in personnel or anything else.

Especially compared to their top national championship rival, Alabama. I don't see how anyone can say Alabama has been any more impressive than Clemson.

One thing to consider when Clemson "only" beats some team by 20 that you thought they would beat by 40: Dabo has one goal in mind - being the best Clemson can be for the CFP playoffs. And because the ACC schedule has no threats, he can do that, including doing things that advance that goal even if they mean they don't win 59-0 in a given game.

I fully expect Clemson to win their first playoff game and play for the national title. I don't see why anyone wouldn't expect that. If you forced me to bet my mortgage right now on who wins it all, I would bet on Clemson. They have a great coach, great personnel, and far and away the easiest path.

I agree with a lot of this. Clemson wins out and they are in. I can actually say nice things about Clemson, unlike their miserable fans.

They have as much talent as anybody and the coaches. I will say this though, it's totally on the coaches if they didn't play to their full potential against UNC. Somebody else pointed this out, not me. That's one place Ohio State has not gone this year, a let down game. They have competed strong in every game and finished off their opponents. Hopefully coaches and captains keep it this way.

This goes out to someone else.

The NFL must love slow players with all the Ohio State players that are in the league right now, lol.

Yes, "Kaplony" loves to make cracks about "SlOWhio State" or whatever, but right now, the NCAA says Ohio State has 45 players on NFL rosters, second only to Alabama, while Clemson has 27. Pro Football Reference says its 54 to 34 for Ohio State.

Now, some of these might be legacy guys, guys who have been in the league for 10 years or so and thus don't reflect the more recent Dabo and Urban -era teams, but probably not many. We have one of them here in New Orleans, Ted Ginn, from the 2006 team. But those are surely the exceptions.

Bottom line is, it is absurd to mock Ohio State's talent when all the metrics say they are loaded with plenty.

Damn....you got me.

Oh wait...



Except with all that NFL talent they produced they've never beat Clemson.

Hell, they're 0-2 against South Carolina for God's sake.


Maybe they need to schedule Coastal Carolina so they can finally get to feel what it's like to win a game against a team from the Palmetto State.

(10-29-2019 09:57 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  ClEmSoN iS sTrUgGlInG


Clemson FBS stat rankings:

Total offense: #4
Total defense: #4
Scoring offense: #7
Scoring defense: #6


If that's struggling then there's a whole lot of college football teams that outright suck.

I really don't think there are that many on here who say Clemson is struggling. Maybe if you weren't so quick to just bash everybody (myself, who has never said a bad thing once about Clemson) you'd find you could have a great conversation with someone like me. I only get involved with facts and I love the BIG 10 conference, but will never consider it successful as a whole if only one or two teams are doing good. That's the only reason I spoke to begin with in this thread.

Take care and best of luck to the Tigers the rest of the way.

(10-29-2019 09:51 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think a lot of Clemson frankly is the UNC game. And to a lesser degree the Texas A&M game. Both games closer than the closest call Alabama has had....

Except the A&M game wasn't close. They scored a garbage time TD with 6 seconds left against mostly reserves to get to 10 points. In the 54 minutes prior they had only kicked a single FG. At no point in that game was Texas A&M either in control or threatening to take control.

(10-29-2019 09:06 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Yes, because putting yourself in a position where you have to stop a last second 2 pt conversion attempt is so much more respectable than winning in overtime. You’re splitting hairs and avoiding the issue which is that Clemson nearly lost to a mediocre to average UNC team who couldn’t take care of business against a Sunbelt school. This is what we like to call in the football world a giant red flag.

Ohio St, LSU, and Alabama all have performed better than Clemson has this season. There’s also a handful of teams with a loss that would arguably beat them as well.

A UNC team that was expected to finish dead last by like everyone, yet has a national title winning coach and already beat a few respectable teams this year. Let’s face it, UNC was prepared to play Clemson and gave it their all.

The lengths people go to just to avoid giving credit to Carolina. Gotta love it.

App State isn’t just a “Sun Belt school”. They just own the greatest upset in college football history and have quite proud tradition. But, okay.

The rest of the ACC isn’t terrible, but you’ll see when most of the conference is playing during the holiday season.

(10-29-2019 10:03 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:41 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:23 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  No: Ohio State alum, but heart is with Cincy.

OSU, Alabama, and LSU deserve 1-3 spots as of right now in any order.

Clemson has not been what I expected or what the media was expecting.

I am no Clemson fan, but as I've said before, I just don't understand this.

I watch lots of college football every week, and to me, this Clemson team looks like pretty much every Clemson team since 2015, in other words, one of the two or three teams that is likely to be the national champion. I don't see any significant drop-off in personnel or anything else.

Especially compared to their top national championship rival, Alabama. I don't see how anyone can say Alabama has been any more impressive than Clemson.

One thing to consider when Clemson "only" beats some team by 20 that you thought they would beat by 40: Dabo has one goal in mind - being the best Clemson can be for the CFP playoffs. And because the ACC schedule has no threats, he can do that, including doing things that advance that goal even if they mean they don't win 59-0 in a given game.

I fully expect Clemson to win their first playoff game and play for the national title. I don't see why anyone wouldn't expect that. If you forced me to bet my mortgage right now on who wins it all, I would bet on Clemson. They have a great coach, great personnel, and far and away the easiest path.

I agree with a lot of this. Clemson wins out and they are in. I can actually say nice things about Clemson, unlike their miserable fans.

They have as much talent as anybody and the coaches. I will say this though, it's totally on the coaches if they didn't play to their full potential against UNC. Somebody else pointed this out, not me. That's one place Ohio State has not gone this year, a let down game. They have competed strong in every game and finished off their opponents. Hopefully coaches and captains keep it this way.

This goes out to someone else.

The NFL must love slow players with all the Ohio State players that are in the league right now, lol.

Yes, "Kaplony" loves to make cracks about "SlOWhio State" or whatever, but right now, the NCAA says Ohio State has 45 players on NFL rosters, second only to Alabama, while Clemson has 27. Pro Football Reference says its 54 to 34 for Ohio State.

Now, some of these might be legacy guys, guys who have been in the league for 10 years or so and thus don't reflect the more recent Dabo and Urban -era teams, but probably not many. We have one of them here in New Orleans, Ted Ginn, from the 2006 team. But those are surely the exceptions.

Bottom line is, it is absurd to mock Ohio State's talent when all the metrics say they are loaded with plenty.

Damn....you got me.

Except with all that NFL talent they produced they've never beat Clemson.

Hell, they're 0-2 against South Carolina for God's sake.


Maybe they need to schedule Coastal Carolina so they can finally get to feel what it's like to win a game against a team from the Palmetto State.

Yes, i did get you. Trying to switch the goalposts since your talent argument took a beating. And as if beating teams from South Carolina defines the legacy of a program?

Ohio State has a far greater talent legacy than Clemson. Ohio State has put 481 players in the NFL, with 8 Hall of Famers. Clemson's numbers are 249 and 1.

And as a program, really, for all their history, Clemson's legacy is largely Dabo's legacy. E.g., Clemson has won 9 major bowl games, but six of them have come since 2013. The last one before then was in 1981.

You have the big mouth of a nouveaux-riche, riding the wave of a great coach. There are probably still 9-year matriculating grad students on your campus who can remember Clemson losing to *USF* in a 2010 bowl game and getting 70 hung on them in another by WVU a couple years later.

Clemson has been a national power for about 5 years. Ohio State has been one for, well, forever.

App State is a good football team that just so happens to be undefeated and in the top 20 right now. The ACC might be having a down year but really are they? I mean Wake and Virginia have been ranked off and on all year. UNC is a few points away of being undefeated and in the top 15 at least. And Clemson is still Clemson, they don't have to blow anyone out they just have to win. But when the time is right Clemson can turn it all the way up and that is ballgame because they are the best team in the nation. Ohio State might want to focus on Penn State first before thinking playoff, just my two cents.

(10-29-2019 10:03 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:41 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:23 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  No: Ohio State alum, but heart is with Cincy.

OSU, Alabama, and LSU deserve 1-3 spots as of right now in any order.

Clemson has not been what I expected or what the media was expecting.

I am no Clemson fan, but as I've said before, I just don't understand this.

I watch lots of college football every week, and to me, this Clemson team looks like pretty much every Clemson team since 2015, in other words, one of the two or three teams that is likely to be the national champion. I don't see any significant drop-off in personnel or anything else.

Especially compared to their top national championship rival, Alabama. I don't see how anyone can say Alabama has been any more impressive than Clemson.

One thing to consider when Clemson "only" beats some team by 20 that you thought they would beat by 40: Dabo has one goal in mind - being the best Clemson can be for the CFP playoffs. And because the ACC schedule has no threats, he can do that, including doing things that advance that goal even if they mean they don't win 59-0 in a given game.

I fully expect Clemson to win their first playoff game and play for the national title. I don't see why anyone wouldn't expect that. If you forced me to bet my mortgage right now on who wins it all, I would bet on Clemson. They have a great coach, great personnel, and far and away the easiest path.

I agree with a lot of this. Clemson wins out and they are in. I can actually say nice things about Clemson, unlike their miserable fans.

They have as much talent as anybody and the coaches. I will say this though, it's totally on the coaches if they didn't play to their full potential against UNC. Somebody else pointed this out, not me. That's one place Ohio State has not gone this year, a let down game. They have competed strong in every game and finished off their opponents. Hopefully coaches and captains keep it this way.

This goes out to someone else.

The NFL must love slow players with all the Ohio State players that are in the league right now, lol.

Yes, "Kaplony" loves to make cracks about "SlOWhio State" or whatever, but right now, the NCAA says Ohio State has 45 players on NFL rosters, second only to Alabama, while Clemson has 27. Pro Football Reference says its 54 to 34 for Ohio State.

Now, some of these might be legacy guys, guys who have been in the league for 10 years or so and thus don't reflect the more recent Dabo and Urban -era teams, but probably not many. We have one of them here in New Orleans, Ted Ginn, from the 2006 team. But those are surely the exceptions.

Bottom line is, it is absurd to mock Ohio State's talent when all the metrics say they are loaded with plenty.

Damn....you got me.

Oh wait...



Except with all that NFL talent they produced they've never beat Clemson.

Hell, they're 0-2 against South Carolina for God's sake.


Maybe they need to schedule Coastal Carolina so they can finally get to feel what it's like to win a game against a team from the Palmetto State.

And I've never seen an Ohio State fan EVER make excuses on here for their losses. Unlike you, as recent as this thread, making excuses for Clemson. We get it, Clemson is the greatest team to ever play football...ever!

You will never faze an Ohio guy like myself when it comes to football. We get bashed year round but we know football better than most. So use your "deep south" talk for somebody else because it's irrelevant in Ohio. There has been more football people come out of this state than you could even imagine. So keep up the a**holes are from Ohio crap and everything else you love running your mouth about. I'm thankful to god that I'm not as miserable and hateful as you.

South Carolina attracts people to their cute little beach. Ohio and the rest of the Midwest put food on your table!

ANF!

(10-29-2019 10:46 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 10:03 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:41 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I am no Clemson fan, but as I've said before, I just don't understand this.

I watch lots of college football every week, and to me, this Clemson team looks like pretty much every Clemson team since 2015, in other words, one of the two or three teams that is likely to be the national champion. I don't see any significant drop-off in personnel or anything else.

Especially compared to their top national championship rival, Alabama. I don't see how anyone can say Alabama has been any more impressive than Clemson.

One thing to consider when Clemson "only" beats some team by 20 that you thought they would beat by 40: Dabo has one goal in mind - being the best Clemson can be for the CFP playoffs. And because the ACC schedule has no threats, he can do that, including doing things that advance that goal even if they mean they don't win 59-0 in a given game.

I fully expect Clemson to win their first playoff game and play for the national title. I don't see why anyone wouldn't expect that. If you forced me to bet my mortgage right now on who wins it all, I would bet on Clemson. They have a great coach, great personnel, and far and away the easiest path.

I agree with a lot of this. Clemson wins out and they are in. I can actually say nice things about Clemson, unlike their miserable fans.

They have as much talent as anybody and the coaches. I will say this though, it's totally on the coaches if they didn't play to their full potential against UNC. Somebody else pointed this out, not me. That's one place Ohio State has not gone this year, a let down game. They have competed strong in every game and finished off their opponents. Hopefully coaches and captains keep it this way.

This goes out to someone else.

The NFL must love slow players with all the Ohio State players that are in the league right now, lol.

Yes, "Kaplony" loves to make cracks about "SlOWhio State" or whatever, but right now, the NCAA says Ohio State has 45 players on NFL rosters, second only to Alabama, while Clemson has 27. Pro Football Reference says its 54 to 34 for Ohio State.

Now, some of these might be legacy guys, guys who have been in the league for 10 years or so and thus don't reflect the more recent Dabo and Urban -era teams, but probably not many. We have one of them here in New Orleans, Ted Ginn, from the 2006 team. But those are surely the exceptions.

Bottom line is, it is absurd to mock Ohio State's talent when all the metrics say they are loaded with plenty.

Damn....you got me.

Oh wait...



Except with all that NFL talent they produced they've never beat Clemson.

Hell, they're 0-2 against South Carolina for God's sake.


Maybe they need to schedule Coastal Carolina so they can finally get to feel what it's like to win a game against a team from the Palmetto State.

And I've never seen an Ohio State fan EVER make excuses on here for their losses. Unlike you, as recent as this thread, making excuses for Clemson. We get it, Clemson is the greatest team to ever play football...ever!

You will never faze an Ohio guy like myself when it comes to football. We get bashed year round but we know football better than most. So use your "deep south" talk for somebody else because it's irrelevant in Ohio. There has been more football people come out of this state than you could even imagine. So keep up the a**holes are from Ohio crap and everything else you love running your mouth about. I'm thankful to god that I'm not as miserable and hateful as you.

South Carolina attracts people to their cute little beach. Ohio and the rest of the Midwest put food on your table!

ANF!

LOL

Where have I made excuses? I've just stated facts, Clemson wasn't focused against UNC. The coaches admit it, the players admit it.

And if your state is so great then explain why it's losing more population to out-migration than it's gaining to in-migration. People don't tend to do that if a place is truly wonderful.

But hell, all I know about Ohio is I spent the worst month of my life in Dayton one weekend, and they evidently send all of their ******** to South Carolina every summer.

(10-29-2019 11:22 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 10:46 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 10:03 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:41 AM)cubucks Wrote:  I agree with a lot of this. Clemson wins out and they are in. I can actually say nice things about Clemson, unlike their miserable fans.

They have as much talent as anybody and the coaches. I will say this though, it's totally on the coaches if they didn't play to their full potential against UNC. Somebody else pointed this out, not me. That's one place Ohio State has not gone this year, a let down game. They have competed strong in every game and finished off their opponents. Hopefully coaches and captains keep it this way.

This goes out to someone else.

The NFL must love slow players with all the Ohio State players that are in the league right now, lol.

Yes, "Kaplony" loves to make cracks about "SlOWhio State" or whatever, but right now, the NCAA says Ohio State has 45 players on NFL rosters, second only to Alabama, while Clemson has 27. Pro Football Reference says its 54 to 34 for Ohio State.

Now, some of these might be legacy guys, guys who have been in the league for 10 years or so and thus don't reflect the more recent Dabo and Urban -era teams, but probably not many. We have one of them here in New Orleans, Ted Ginn, from the 2006 team. But those are surely the exceptions.

Bottom line is, it is absurd to mock Ohio State's talent when all the metrics say they are loaded with plenty.

Damn....you got me.

Oh wait...



Except with all that NFL talent they produced they've never beat Clemson.

Hell, they're 0-2 against South Carolina for God's sake.


Maybe they need to schedule Coastal Carolina so they can finally get to feel what it's like to win a game against a team from the Palmetto State.

And I've never seen an Ohio State fan EVER make excuses on here for their losses. Unlike you, as recent as this thread, making excuses for Clemson. We get it, Clemson is the greatest team to ever play football...ever!

You will never faze an Ohio guy like myself when it comes to football. We get bashed year round but we know football better than most. So use your "deep south" talk for somebody else because it's irrelevant in Ohio. There has been more football people come out of this state than you could even imagine. So keep up the a**holes are from Ohio crap and everything else you love running your mouth about. I'm thankful to god that I'm not as miserable and hateful as you.

South Carolina attracts people to their cute little beach. Ohio and the rest of the Midwest put food on your table!

ANF!

LOL

Where have I made excuses? I've just stated facts, Clemson wasn't focused against UNC. The coaches admit it, the players admit it.

And if your state is so great then explain why it's losing more population to out-migration than it's gaining to in-migration. People don't tend to do that if a place is truly wonderful.

But hell, all I know about Ohio is I spent the worst month of my life in Dayton one weekend, and they evidently send all of their ******** to South Carolina every summer.

Hilarious!

"Where have I made excuses"
Next sentence an excuse.

You are some kind of smart, genius!

Your team didn't play as expected and it's because they weren't focused? Maybe it's because NC is better than you're giving them credit for? You see, smart guy, THAT'S AN EXCUSE!

Go back to the political boards and celebrate people that have died. Smart football minds are talking here, Clemson is still to new to this winning thing to understand.

(10-29-2019 10:11 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:51 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think a lot of Clemson frankly is the UNC game. And to a lesser degree the Texas A&M game. Both games closer than the closest call Alabama has had....

Except the A&M game wasn't close. They scored a garbage time TD with 6 seconds left against mostly reserves to get to 10 points. In the 54 minutes prior they had only kicked a single FG. At no point in that game was Texas A&M either in control or threatening to take control.

And the same could be said of A&M vs Alabama. Alabama up at least by 14 the entire 4th quarter.... But that's Alabama's closest call. Alabama has been up by at least 15 points all 8 games in the 4th quarter. Only 3 games was the lead not 20 points for the entire 4th quarter...

The UNC game is the killer for Clemson right now. And with what they have remaining- Their remaining SOS is #74 in the country- going to be tough to do much. Any struggle game going to hurt them...

Compare Clemsons remaining SOS to:
Ohio St 44
LSU 13
Alabama 21
Penn St 32
Oklahoma 5

(10-28-2019 02:26 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 01:21 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 12:15 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 09:58 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  ...I’m a little shocked Clemson is as high as they are with their mushy soft schedule... South Carolina, WF, and NC St will all be highly motivated to take down Clemson... an undefeated SMU would have a just as compelling argument for a playoff spot as 13-0 Clemson...

Obsess much?

Hard to talk about a paper tiger and their underperforming conference without mentioning their name

Still sore from the last game against the Tigers, huh?



Perhaps you'd prefer to do another home-and-home with Virginia Tech?



...but yeah, ACC football sucks.

This year our conference does suck. We have been handily outperformed against Power conferences by non AQ conferences. 1 team out of 14 is ranked. Thats awful

(10-29-2019 12:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 10:11 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:51 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think a lot of Clemson frankly is the UNC game. And to a lesser degree the Texas A&M game. Both games closer than the closest call Alabama has had....

Except the A&M game wasn't close. They scored a garbage time TD with 6 seconds left against mostly reserves to get to 10 points. In the 54 minutes prior they had only kicked a single FG. At no point in that game was Texas A&M either in control or threatening to take control.

And the same could be said of A&M vs Alabama. Alabama up at least by 14 the entire 4th quarter.... But that's Alabama's closest call. Alabama has been up by at least 15 points all 8 games in the 4th quarter. Only 3 games was the lead not 20 points for the entire 4th quarter...

The UNC game is the killer for Clemson right now. And with what they have remaining- Their remaining SOS is #74 in the country- going to be tough to do much. Any struggle game going to hurt them...

Compare Clemsons remaining SOS to:
Ohio St 44
LSU 13
Alabama 21
Penn St 32
Oklahoma 5

With all due respect, Stever20, since this is a thread on the Massey Composite sos, maybe we should use that. The ESPN FPI is a bit biased and misleading, do you agree?

(10-29-2019 12:58 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 12:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 10:11 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:51 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think a lot of Clemson frankly is the UNC game. And to a lesser degree the Texas A&M game. Both games closer than the closest call Alabama has had....

Except the A&M game wasn't close. They scored a garbage time TD with 6 seconds left against mostly reserves to get to 10 points. In the 54 minutes prior they had only kicked a single FG. At no point in that game was Texas A&M either in control or threatening to take control.

And the same could be said of A&M vs Alabama. Alabama up at least by 14 the entire 4th quarter.... But that's Alabama's closest call. Alabama has been up by at least 15 points all 8 games in the 4th quarter. Only 3 games was the lead not 20 points for the entire 4th quarter...

The UNC game is the killer for Clemson right now. And with what they have remaining- Their remaining SOS is #74 in the country- going to be tough to do much. Any struggle game going to hurt them...

Compare Clemsons remaining SOS to:
Ohio St 44
LSU 13
Alabama 21
Penn St 32
Oklahoma 5

With all due respect, Stever20, since this is a thread on the Massey Composite sos, maybe we should use that. The ESPN FPI is a bit biased and misleading, do you agree?

not really as it doesn't show future SOS. The ESPN FPI is the only place that I know of that shows future SOS.

(10-29-2019 10:38 AM)liquidshade Wrote:  App State is a good football team that just so happens to be undefeated and in the top 20 right now. The ACC might be having a down year but really are they? I mean Wake and Virginia have been ranked off and on all year. UNC is a few points away of being undefeated and in the top 15 at least. And Clemson is still Clemson, they don't have to blow anyone out they just have to win. But when the time is right Clemson can turn it all the way up and that is ballgame because they are the best team in the nation. Ohio State might want to focus on Penn State first before thinking playoff, just my two cents.

Ah, clearer heads prevail. UNC lost four games by a combined 12 points. Ugh, what an albatross!