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"We" hope we play Slowhio State.

"We" will expose them like "We" did with Alabama.

"We" are better this year than last year.

"We" ain't doing sh*t but sitting home eating chicken wings and watching these teams on tv.
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Looking at that graph it says the ACC has the #1 SOS RK. What’s that mean?
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Also, why are Ohio State fans crying? Win a few more games and the Bucks are in. I’ve thought they looked legit from week 1.
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(10-28-2019 08:44 PM)cubucks Wrote:  "We" hope we play Slowhio State.

"We" will expose them like "We" did with Alabama.

"We" are better this year than last year.

"We" ain't doing sh*t but sitting home eating chicken wings and watching these teams on tv.


Here, you seem like you need this. Someone dared to talk bad about O31-0 State.

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(10-28-2019 07:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Once again when the season comes to an end we will have played more players in games than anyone else in the country by far because we know you can't win the national title by playing your best ball in September.

That's a luxury Clemson has that other top teams do not. Clemson can afford to rest starters and play lots of guys because the ACC is so soft there are no challenging games. If Clemson had games with say LSU, Auburn, and Georgia coming up, they would have to play their best guys all the time, making their top guys more banged up and worn out.

The ACC allows Clemson to be a lot fresher for the playoffs, and experienced. They can plan for the playoffs all season because making it is a foregone conclusion.
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(10-28-2019 07:54 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If this year’s Clemson squad is so good explain why they needed OT to beat a UNC team that lost to App St?

Then again there are all of those really close nail biters this year’s Ohio State team has had: 24+ points is so terribly close. They’ve given up what like 7 touchdowns all year.

Alabama, LSU, and even Penn St have been far more impressive. Tough facts for the ACC homer crowd but facts none the less.

Lack of focus. It was the week before the bye week and the team wasn't focused. They readily admitted that. And get your facts straight, the UNC game did not go to overtime. Hard to take someone serious when they can't get simple facts straight.

No different than 208 when we had to make a late comeback to beat Syracuse, then blew out the #3 and #1 ranked teams in the playoffs.

Or losing to Pitt in 2016 before we spanked Ohio State's overrated ass in the Fiesta Bowl.


The facts are Clemson's offense is statistically even with last year's offense, and the defense is better despite losing four starters on the DL to the NFL. As I stated in the post above, it doesn't matter if you are playing your best football in September or October....you want to play your best football when the playoffs start.
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For family reasons (and as I've posted previously), I follow Louisville, North Carolina and N.C. State. But I will be blunt: The ACC this year ... troubling.
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(10-28-2019 09:49 PM)esayem Wrote:  Looking at that graph it says the ACC has the #1 SOS RK. What’s that mean?

Just off the top of my head:
1) My hypothesis would be that the ACC must have a lot of good teams.
2) Research: 1 good team out of 14
3) Question: How is there only 1 good team but the conference as a whole has the number 1 SOS?
4) Research: The ACC played a good slate of OOC games
5) Question: Why is the conference ranked 6th?
6) Research: Ah they lost most those OOC games that mattered
7) Conclusion: My hypothesis=Fail...New findings suggest The ACC is atrocious outside of Clemson

Note: I did zero research
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(10-28-2019 09:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 08:44 PM)cubucks Wrote:  "We" hope we play Slowhio State.

"We" will expose them like "We" did with Alabama.

"We" are better this year than last year.

"We" ain't doing sh*t but sitting home eating chicken wings and watching these teams on tv.


Here, you seem like you need this. Someone dared to talk bad about O31-0 State.

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(10-28-2019 06:30 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 03:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I find it funny how some fans of ACC schools around here take pride in Clemson's national success. They and the rest of the ACC have zero to do with that, it is all about Clemson.

I agree with this but at the same time it’s also stupid for some posters to to say that Clemson isn’t good or they don’t deserve to be in the playoffs because the rest of the ACC is down.

Sounds like the same argument UCF had when undefeated. SOS.
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(10-28-2019 09:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 07:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Once again when the season comes to an end we will have played more players in games than anyone else in the country by far because we know you can't win the national title by playing your best ball in September.

That's a luxury Clemson has that other top teams do not. Clemson can afford to rest starters and play lots of guys because the ACC is so soft there are no challenging games. If Clemson had games with say LSU, Auburn, and Georgia coming up, they would have to play their best guys all the time, making their top guys more banged up and worn out.

The ACC allows Clemson to be a lot fresher for the playoffs, and experienced. They can plan for the playoffs all season because making it is a foregone conclusion.

<insert rolling eyes emoji here> What a load of absolute BS.

The closest SEC game Bama has had thus far was a 13 point win, and they are averaging a 25.6 point margin of victory in SEC games. If Bama wanted to play the reserves as much as Clemson they have had ample opportunity because the next competitive SEC game they play will be their first.
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This is getting way out of hand.

Whether 2019 UNC vs Clemson was an OT game or not is irrelevant. It was a close game that came down to the wire and out of the literally hundreds of college football games that have been played this season I wasn’t going to go digging for the box score.

I get it that ACC fans want to tout their conference but bringing up the outcomes of regular season and bowl games from a half decade ago or more really doesn’t support your arguments well. It’s a stat cherry picking exercise in the same way that claiming Sewanee is the greatest college football team in the nation based upon the results of one season a century ago.

The purpose of this thread is to discuss Massey. It has been pointed out that there is a team from what is statistically the poorest performing P5 conference this season that unbiased computers have determined was less difficult than other undefeated teams, and that their remaining opponents will all be motivated to upset them as each are a rivalry of one form or another and all of this was framed relative to their ranking in Massey compared to other teams.

If you want to use inflammatory language to refer to another conference find one of the smack boards.
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(10-29-2019 07:59 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  This is getting way out of hand.

Whether 2019 UNC vs Clemson was an OT game or not is irrelevant. It was a close game that came down to the wire and out of the literally hundreds of college football games that have been played this season I wasn’t going to go digging for the box score.

In other words "I can't get actual facts straight so let's just say that facts don't matter"

Pathetic.

Since it's plainly obvious that you don't like being corrected when your wrong maybe next time try not to post about something you clearly aren't knowledgeable about and it will not be necessary for someone to correct you.

Quote:If you want to use inflammatory language to refer to another conference find one of the smack boards.

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OMG! UNC lost to undefeated App State (barely) in their Super Bowl!

This is ridiculous. UNC is actually a group of talented players coached by a guy that won a national title. They beat South Carolina who beat mighty Georgia. They took Clemson to the wire. They should have beat Virginia Tech about three times. They beat Duke.

The UNC game is not a good example of Clemson being a weak or overrated team. The Heels have already exceeded expectations, so stop judging them with preseason rankings and a close loss to the best G5 team. UCF and SMU included. Pitt beat UCF. Pitt. Beat. U. C. F. The AAC’s reigning poster boy. Pitt. The Pitt Panthers football team. Beat UCF.

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Did Cincinnati ever score against Ohio State?
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(10-29-2019 07:34 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 09:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 07:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Once again when the season comes to an end we will have played more players in games than anyone else in the country by far because we know you can't win the national title by playing your best ball in September.

That's a luxury Clemson has that other top teams do not. Clemson can afford to rest starters and play lots of guys because the ACC is so soft there are no challenging games. If Clemson had games with say LSU, Auburn, and Georgia coming up, they would have to play their best guys all the time, making their top guys more banged up and worn out.

The ACC allows Clemson to be a lot fresher for the playoffs, and experienced. They can plan for the playoffs all season because making it is a foregone conclusion.

<insert rolling eyes emoji here> What a load of absolute BS.

The closest SEC game Bama has had thus far was a 13 point win, and they are averaging a 25.6 point margin of victory in SEC games. If Bama wanted to play the reserves as much as Clemson they have had ample opportunity because the next competitive SEC game they play will be their first.

What a load of nonsense. First, I used Alabama as an example, but it would apply to any other top team from the SEC, B1G, Big 12, or PAC. Second, yes, Alabama has played nobody so far, but "so far" is 8 games through a 13 game regular season schedule, if they make the CCG. The next month will be much different for Alabama so Alabama has to plan for that accordingly, and that ripples its way through the earlier games.

Clemson can keep resting starters and rotating new guys in for experience throughout the whole season. Alabama's (and Ohio State's, who you love to disparage despite their much greater heritage than Clemson) are going to get banged up and worn out playing other top teams the next month.

There just isn't any doubt that ACC softness means Clemson can play personnel and rest and refresh and plan for the playoffs in a way that Alabama or anyone else can't.
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Yes, because putting yourself in a position where you have to stop a last second 2 pt conversion attempt is so much more respectable than winning in overtime. You’re splitting hairs and avoiding the issue which is that Clemson nearly lost to a mediocre to average UNC team who couldn’t take care of business against a Sunbelt school. This is what we like to call in the football world a giant red flag.

Ohio St, LSU, and Alabama all have performed better than Clemson has this season. There’s also a handful of teams with a loss that would arguably beat them as well.
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(10-29-2019 08:39 AM)esayem Wrote:  Did Cincinnati ever score against Ohio State?
Point? I'm slow today as I am everyday being from Ohio.
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(10-29-2019 09:06 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Yes, because putting yourself in a position where you have to stop a last second 2 pt conversion attempt is so much more respectable than winning in overtime. You’re splitting hairs and avoiding the issue which is that Clemson nearly lost to a mediocre to average UNC team who couldn’t take care of business against a Sunbelt school. This is what we like to call in the football world a giant red flag.

Ohio St, LSU, and Alabama all have performed better than Clemson has this season. There’s also a handful of teams with a loss that would arguably beat them as well.

To date I agree. OSU is beating the competition by an average score of 48-7.
The OSU/Whisky game was very similar to the LSU/Auburn game last week.
Winning team was at home. OSU won 38-7, LSU won 23-20. Guessing this is likely the best 8-0 start for OSU maybe in their history, from a pure domination standpoint, points scored vs. points allowed.
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(10-29-2019 08:39 AM)esayem Wrote:  Did Cincinnati ever score against Ohio State?

No: Ohio State alum, but heart is with Cincy.

OSU, Alabama, and LSU deserve 1-3 spots as of right now in any order.

Clemson has not been what I expected or what the media was expecting. (They did lose 2 first round, a second round and a 4th round on their D-Line? Something like that). They are still easily in the running for the National Championship. Teams change and improve throughout the season.

Example: 2014 Ohio State team looked around 5-15 most of the season, but the last 4 games were untouchable and won it all.

Now for the rest of ACC....Joke
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