https://fbschedules.com/army-announces-b...25-season/

“We are thrilled to partner with ESPN Events and the Independence Bowl,” said Buddie. “This opportunity comes from the hard work and success of our football coaching staff and our incredible cadets who represent us so well on a national stage. I want to thank Pete Derzis and Clint Overby of ESPN Events and Missy Setters of the Independence Bowl for their commitment to our program. I know that the Army faithful will enjoy traveling with our team in future years to these great bowl games.”

“We are honored and excited to extend our relationship with Army West Point into the new six-year bowl cycle,” said Clint Overby, Vice President of ESPN Events. “Army’s rich history and fan base make them a wonderful addition to our participant roster.”


To the best of my knowledge that ESPN Events/Indy Bowl relationship is new. Seems to me that answers the other questions about the Indy Bowl ties. It would appear to me that the Indy Bowl is now officially part of the ESPN Bowl Pool. The old ESPN Events deal with Army tied them to the ESPN run Armed Forces Bowl for a couple of years a cycle.

(10-24-2019 03:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  “We are thrilled to partner with ESPN Events and the Independence Bowl,” said Buddie. “This opportunity comes from the hard work and success of our football coaching staff and our incredible cadets who represent us so well on a national stage. I want to thank Pete Derzis and Clint Overby of ESPN Events and Missy Setters of the Independence Bowl for their commitment to our program. I know that the Army faithful will enjoy traveling with our team in future years to these great bowl games.”

“We are honored and excited to extend our relationship with Army West Point into the new six-year bowl cycle,” said Clint Overby, Vice President of ESPN Events. “Army’s rich history and fan base make them a wonderful addition to our participant roster.”


To the best of my knowledge that ESPN Events relationship is new. Seems to me that answers the other questions about the Indy Bowl ties. It would appear to me that the Indy Bowl is now officially part of the ESPN Bowl Pool. The old deal with Army ties them to the ESPN run Armed Forces Bowl.

Not necessarily.

Army's announcement was about tie in to the Independence Bowl in even years, and the ESPN bowl pool in odd years.

Here's Army's official announcement:
https://goarmywestpoint.com/news/2019/10...cycle.aspx
Look especially at the listing by year.
Then put "on the one hand...and on the other hand" in Buddie's quote, or some such.

(10-24-2019 03:38 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 03:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  “We are thrilled to partner with ESPN Events and the Independence Bowl,” said Buddie. “This opportunity comes from the hard work and success of our football coaching staff and our incredible cadets who represent us so well on a national stage. I want to thank Pete Derzis and Clint Overby of ESPN Events and Missy Setters of the Independence Bowl for their commitment to our program. I know that the Army faithful will enjoy traveling with our team in future years to these great bowl games.”

“We are honored and excited to extend our relationship with Army West Point into the new six-year bowl cycle,” said Clint Overby, Vice President of ESPN Events. “Army’s rich history and fan base make them a wonderful addition to our participant roster.”


To the best of my knowledge that ESPN Events relationship is new. Seems to me that answers the other questions about the Indy Bowl ties. It would appear to me that the Indy Bowl is now officially part of the ESPN Bowl Pool. The old deal with Army ties them to the ESPN run Armed Forces Bowl.

Not necessarily.

Army's announcement was about tie in to the Independence Bowl in even years, and the ESPN bowl pool in odd years.

Here's Army's official announcement:
https://goarmywestpoint.com/news/2019/10...cycle.aspx
Look especially at the listing by year.
Then put "on the one hand...and on the other hand" in Buddie's quote, or some such.

Yup. My mistake. I read this thinking it was coming from the Indy Bowl. Its actually an Army announcement.

(10-24-2019 03:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 03:38 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 03:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  “We are thrilled to partner with ESPN Events and the Independence Bowl,” said Buddie. “This opportunity comes from the hard work and success of our football coaching staff and our incredible cadets who represent us so well on a national stage. I want to thank Pete Derzis and Clint Overby of ESPN Events and Missy Setters of the Independence Bowl for their commitment to our program. I know that the Army faithful will enjoy traveling with our team in future years to these great bowl games.”

“We are honored and excited to extend our relationship with Army West Point into the new six-year bowl cycle,” said Clint Overby, Vice President of ESPN Events. “Army’s rich history and fan base make them a wonderful addition to our participant roster.”


To the best of my knowledge that ESPN Events relationship is new. Seems to me that answers the other questions about the Indy Bowl ties. It would appear to me that the Indy Bowl is now officially part of the ESPN Bowl Pool. The old deal with Army ties them to the ESPN run Armed Forces Bowl.

Not necessarily.

Army's announcement was about tie in to the Independence Bowl in even years, and the ESPN bowl pool in odd years.

Here's Army's official announcement:
https://goarmywestpoint.com/news/2019/10...cycle.aspx
Look especially at the listing by year.
Then put "on the one hand...and on the other hand" in Buddie's quote, or some such.

Yup. My mistake. I read this thinking it was coming from the Indy Bowl. Its actually an Army announcement.

Unless they find sponsors willing to support a non P5 bowl (what bowl organizers have claimed having trouble with in the past), it’ll be headed that way sooner or later.

This great for Army. It gives the team a guaranteed bowl opportunity each and every year in the next bowl cycle. They won't have to wait in line at the "at large bowl berth table" like they have to this year should they get bowl eligible. Should they become bowl eligible this year there is no guarantee that they will get to a bowl unless some of the conferences come up empty for some of their lower spots. Even then they would have to be chosen over another at large bowl eligible school.

Curious if it will be Army in the even years and PAC 12 in odd years? Guess once BYU announces there will be a clearer answer.

(10-24-2019 08:04 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Curious if it will be Army in the even years and PAC 12 in odd years? Guess once BYU announces there will be a clearer answer.

Random speculation, unsupported by any inside info or sources (so it fits right in the College Sports and Conference Realignment board leitmotif)...

Independence Bowl gets Army in even years, BYU in odd years, vs CUSA/SunBelt with each conference getting three bids in six years and Independence Bowl getting some assurance of a premium (#2 ish?) pick from those G4 conferences.

Definitely a step down from "P5" vs "P5" matchup, but IB gets a bonafide independent national brand every year, plus a regional opponent with good-year momentum. Can sell the Army/BYU to sponsors, get regional ticket sales plus Army/BYU ticket sales (although my own thoughts when I first saw Army's announcement was "how excited will the Black Knights fanbase be to travel to Shreveport for the third time in five years?")

(10-24-2019 08:31 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 08:04 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Curious if it will be Army in the even years and PAC 12 in odd years? Guess once BYU announces there will be a clearer answer.

Random speculation, unsupported by any inside info or sources (so it fits right in the College Sports and Conference Realignment board leitmotif)...

Independence Bowl gets Army in even years, BYU in odd years, vs CUSA/SunBelt with each conference getting three bids in six years and Independence Bowl getting some assurance of a premium (#2 ish?) pick from those G4 conferences.

Definitely a step down from "P5" vs "P5" matchup, but IB gets a bonafide independent national brand every year, plus a regional opponent with good-year momentum. Can sell the Army/BYU to sponsors, get regional ticket sales plus Army/BYU ticket sales (although my own thoughts when I first saw Army's announcement was "how excited will the Black Knights fanbase be to travel to Shreveport for the third time in five years?")

Yes, the Independence Bowl is basically living up to its name - it's an "Independent" bowl in the sense that it seems to be unconnected to the ESPN pools, so like the schedule of an FBS independent (other than Notre Dame), it's lineup will be a patched-together hodge-podge, with Army being one of the podges.

(10-24-2019 11:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 08:31 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 08:04 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Curious if it will be Army in the even years and PAC 12 in odd years? Guess once BYU announces there will be a clearer answer.

Random speculation, unsupported by any inside info or sources (so it fits right in the College Sports and Conference Realignment board leitmotif)...

Independence Bowl gets Army in even years, BYU in odd years, vs CUSA/SunBelt with each conference getting three bids in six years and Independence Bowl getting some assurance of a premium (#2 ish?) pick from those G4 conferences.

Definitely a step down from "P5" vs "P5" matchup, but IB gets a bonafide independent national brand every year, plus a regional opponent with good-year momentum. Can sell the Army/BYU to sponsors, get regional ticket sales plus Army/BYU ticket sales (although my own thoughts when I first saw Army's announcement was "how excited will the Black Knights fanbase be to travel to Shreveport for the third time in five years?")

Yes, the Independence Bowl is basically living up to its name - it's an "Independent" bowl in the sense that it seems to be unconnected to the ESPN pools, so like the schedule of an FBS independent (other than Notre Dame), it's lineup will be a patched-together hodge-podge, with Army being one of the podges.

Well they’ve already said they are getting PAC 12 for 3 years and MWC 3 years so:
PAC/MWC vs Army/BYU. Not too bad. Throw CUSA/SB backups into the mix as back ups. It’ll be solid.

(10-24-2019 11:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 11:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 08:31 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 08:04 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Curious if it will be Army in the even years and PAC 12 in odd years? Guess once BYU announces there will be a clearer answer.

Random speculation, unsupported by any inside info or sources (so it fits right in the College Sports and Conference Realignment board leitmotif)...

Independence Bowl gets Army in even years, BYU in odd years, vs CUSA/SunBelt with each conference getting three bids in six years and Independence Bowl getting some assurance of a premium (#2 ish?) pick from those G4 conferences.

Definitely a step down from "P5" vs "P5" matchup, but IB gets a bonafide independent national brand every year, plus a regional opponent with good-year momentum. Can sell the Army/BYU to sponsors, get regional ticket sales plus Army/BYU ticket sales (although my own thoughts when I first saw Army's announcement was "how excited will the Black Knights fanbase be to travel to Shreveport for the third time in five years?")

Yes, the Independence Bowl is basically living up to its name - it's an "Independent" bowl in the sense that it seems to be unconnected to the ESPN pools, so like the schedule of an FBS independent (other than Notre Dame), it's lineup will be a patched-together hodge-podge, with Army being one of the podges.

Well they’ve already said they are getting PAC 12 for 3 years and MWC 3 years so:
PAC/MWC vs Army/BYU. Not too bad. Throw CUSA/SB backups into the mix as back ups. It’ll be solid.

Thanks - I had blanked on the PAC12 3 years.

Now I'm interested in whether they get BYU.
Then interested in the details: Army is listed in specific years - will those be vs PAC12 or in rotation with PAC12?

An Army tie-in, who woulda thunk it?

(10-24-2019 11:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 11:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 08:31 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 08:04 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Curious if it will be Army in the even years and PAC 12 in odd years? Guess once BYU announces there will be a clearer answer.

Random speculation, unsupported by any inside info or sources (so it fits right in the College Sports and Conference Realignment board leitmotif)...

Independence Bowl gets Army in even years, BYU in odd years, vs CUSA/SunBelt with each conference getting three bids in six years and Independence Bowl getting some assurance of a premium (#2 ish?) pick from those G4 conferences.

Definitely a step down from "P5" vs "P5" matchup, but IB gets a bonafide independent national brand every year, plus a regional opponent with good-year momentum. Can sell the Army/BYU to sponsors, get regional ticket sales plus Army/BYU ticket sales (although my own thoughts when I first saw Army's announcement was "how excited will the Black Knights fanbase be to travel to Shreveport for the third time in five years?")

Yes, the Independence Bowl is basically living up to its name - it's an "Independent" bowl in the sense that it seems to be unconnected to the ESPN pools, so like the schedule of an FBS independent (other than Notre Dame), it's lineup will be a patched-together hodge-podge, with Army being one of the podges.

Well they’ve already said they are getting PAC 12 for 3 years and MWC 3 years so:
PAC/MWC vs Army/BYU. Not too bad. Throw CUSA/SB backups into the mix as back ups. It’ll be solid.

To me, that lineup is a mess. It represents the decline of the Independence Bowl in terms of status within the ranks of the lower bowls. A bowl in Louisiana should have a tie to the SEC, period.

I mean, who in the PAC or MW wants to be sent 1500 miles to Shreveport to play Army or BYU? The Indy got the debris of the bowl ties, it got what was left over when all the other musical chairs had been filled.

Heck, if it's BYU, the MW and PAC could save a huge amount of travel money by just playing it on the other side of the Rockies. It's crazy, like USF and Georgia State traveling to Boise to play a bowl game, nutso.

The Liberty Bowl was facing this a few years back, it was slipping down the SEC pecking order, and found new money to solidify itself. The Indy will have to do the same. I hope it can, because living in Louisiana, I am sympathetic to it.

(10-25-2019 11:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 11:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 11:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 08:31 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 08:04 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Curious if it will be Army in the even years and PAC 12 in odd years? Guess once BYU announces there will be a clearer answer.

Random speculation, unsupported by any inside info or sources (so it fits right in the College Sports and Conference Realignment board leitmotif)...

Independence Bowl gets Army in even years, BYU in odd years, vs CUSA/SunBelt with each conference getting three bids in six years and Independence Bowl getting some assurance of a premium (#2 ish?) pick from those G4 conferences.

Definitely a step down from "P5" vs "P5" matchup, but IB gets a bonafide independent national brand every year, plus a regional opponent with good-year momentum. Can sell the Army/BYU to sponsors, get regional ticket sales plus Army/BYU ticket sales (although my own thoughts when I first saw Army's announcement was "how excited will the Black Knights fanbase be to travel to Shreveport for the third time in five years?")

Yes, the Independence Bowl is basically living up to its name - it's an "Independent" bowl in the sense that it seems to be unconnected to the ESPN pools, so like the schedule of an FBS independent (other than Notre Dame), it's lineup will be a patched-together hodge-podge, with Army being one of the podges.

Well they’ve already said they are getting PAC 12 for 3 years and MWC 3 years so:
PAC/MWC vs Army/BYU. Not too bad. Throw CUSA/SB backups into the mix as back ups. It’ll be solid.

To me, that lineup is a mess. It represents the decline of the Independence Bowl in terms of status within the ranks of the lower bowls. A bowl in Louisiana should have a tie to the SEC, period.

I mean, who in the PAC or MW wants to be sent 1500 miles to Shreveport to play Army or BYU? The Indy got the debris of the bowl ties, it got what was left over when all the other musical chairs had been filled.

Heck, if it's BYU, the MW and PAC could save a huge amount of travel money by just playing it on the other side of the Rockies. It's crazy, like USF and Georgia State traveling to Boise to play a bowl game, nutso.

The Liberty Bowl was facing this a few years back, it was slipping down the SEC pecking order, and found new money to solidify itself. The Indy will have to do the same. I hope it can, because living in Louisiana, I am sympathetic to it.

Air Force use to play in the Indy Bowl frequently. I guess that’s one MWC school that makes sense.
But I agree, it’s not an ideal location for those western schools at all...

(10-25-2019 11:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 11:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 11:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 08:31 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 08:04 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Curious if it will be Army in the even years and PAC 12 in odd years? Guess once BYU announces there will be a clearer answer.

Random speculation, unsupported by any inside info or sources (so it fits right in the College Sports and Conference Realignment board leitmotif)...

Independence Bowl gets Army in even years, BYU in odd years, vs CUSA/SunBelt with each conference getting three bids in six years and Independence Bowl getting some assurance of a premium (#2 ish?) pick from those G4 conferences.

Definitely a step down from "P5" vs "P5" matchup, but IB gets a bonafide independent national brand every year, plus a regional opponent with good-year momentum. Can sell the Army/BYU to sponsors, get regional ticket sales plus Army/BYU ticket sales (although my own thoughts when I first saw Army's announcement was "how excited will the Black Knights fanbase be to travel to Shreveport for the third time in five years?")

Yes, the Independence Bowl is basically living up to its name - it's an "Independent" bowl in the sense that it seems to be unconnected to the ESPN pools, so like the schedule of an FBS independent (other than Notre Dame), it's lineup will be a patched-together hodge-podge, with Army being one of the podges.

Well they’ve already said they are getting PAC 12 for 3 years and MWC 3 years so:
PAC/MWC vs Army/BYU. Not too bad. Throw CUSA/SB backups into the mix as back ups. It’ll be solid.

To me, that lineup is a mess. It represents the decline of the Independence Bowl in terms of status within the ranks of the lower bowls. A bowl in Louisiana should have a tie to the SEC, period.

I mean, who in the PAC or MW wants to be sent 1500 miles to Shreveport to play Army or BYU? The Indy got the debris of the bowl ties, it got what was left over when all the other musical chairs had been filled.

Heck, if it's BYU, the MW and PAC could save a huge amount of travel money by just playing it on the other side of the Rockies. It's crazy, like USF and Georgia State traveling to Boise to play a bowl game, nutso.

The Liberty Bowl was facing this a few years back, it was slipping down the SEC pecking order, and found new money to solidify itself. The Indy will have to do the same. I hope it can, because living in Louisiana, I am sympathetic to it.

Hahahahaha
I remember one year Louisiana Tech played an ACC school (maybe Miami) in the Boise bowl... Always thought that was nuts

(10-25-2019 11:25 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-25-2019 11:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 11:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 11:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 08:31 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Random speculation, unsupported by any inside info or sources (so it fits right in the College Sports and Conference Realignment board leitmotif)...

Independence Bowl gets Army in even years, BYU in odd years, vs CUSA/SunBelt with each conference getting three bids in six years and Independence Bowl getting some assurance of a premium (#2 ish?) pick from those G4 conferences.

Definitely a step down from "P5" vs "P5" matchup, but IB gets a bonafide independent national brand every year, plus a regional opponent with good-year momentum. Can sell the Army/BYU to sponsors, get regional ticket sales plus Army/BYU ticket sales (although my own thoughts when I first saw Army's announcement was "how excited will the Black Knights fanbase be to travel to Shreveport for the third time in five years?")

Yes, the Independence Bowl is basically living up to its name - it's an "Independent" bowl in the sense that it seems to be unconnected to the ESPN pools, so like the schedule of an FBS independent (other than Notre Dame), it's lineup will be a patched-together hodge-podge, with Army being one of the podges.

Well they’ve already said they are getting PAC 12 for 3 years and MWC 3 years so:
PAC/MWC vs Army/BYU. Not too bad. Throw CUSA/SB backups into the mix as back ups. It’ll be solid.

To me, that lineup is a mess. It represents the decline of the Independence Bowl in terms of status within the ranks of the lower bowls. A bowl in Louisiana should have a tie to the SEC, period.

I mean, who in the PAC or MW wants to be sent 1500 miles to Shreveport to play Army or BYU? The Indy got the debris of the bowl ties, it got what was left over when all the other musical chairs had been filled.

Heck, if it's BYU, the MW and PAC could save a huge amount of travel money by just playing it on the other side of the Rockies. It's crazy, like USF and Georgia State traveling to Boise to play a bowl game, nutso.

The Liberty Bowl was facing this a few years back, it was slipping down the SEC pecking order, and found new money to solidify itself. The Indy will have to do the same. I hope it can, because living in Louisiana, I am sympathetic to it.

Hahahahaha
I remember one year Louisiana Tech played an ACC school (maybe Miami) in the Boise bowl... Always thought that was nuts

It was Clemson

Totally goofed up deal. The last time Boise missed a bowl game.
Tech won the WAC and Silcon Valley correctly surmised they would go broke if they didn't get Fresno so they jumped order and invited Fresno. Tech then went to Boise as WAC champ and co-second place (with Fresno) Boise got left out because Tech balked at the swap deal offered.

Tech would go to New Orleans to face North Texas.
Colorado State was offered their choice of Humanitarian Bowl or Silicon Valley (they wanted Silicon Valley) in exchange for not going to NOLA.
In exchange for getting the WAC accomodated, Middle Tennessee State would go to Boise.

That was the year North Texas won the Sun Belt at 5-6 and La.Tech opted to go lose to Clemson and as a result of no deal being made MTSU and Boise stayed home while Michigan State beat Fresno in San Jose.