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RE: Seattle Public Schools Will Start Teaching That Math Is Oppressive
(10-23-2019 08:37 AM)q5sys Wrote:  https://reason.com/2019/10/22/seattle-ma...ural-woke/

Quote:Math is a deeply frustrating subject for many elementary and high school students. But Seattle public schools are gearing up to accuse math of a litany of more serious crimes: imperialism, dehumanization, and oppression of marginalized persons.

The district has proposed a new social justice-infused curriculum that would focus on "power and oppression" and "history of resistance and liberation" within the field of mathematics. The curriculum isn't mandatory, but provides a resource for teachers who want to introduce ethnic studies into the classroom vis a vis math. According to Education Week:

Seattle's four-page framework is still in the proposal stage. If adopted, its ideas will be included in existing math classes as part of the district's broader effort to infuse ethnic studies into all subjects across the K-12 spectrum. Tracy Castro-Gill, Seattle's ethnic studies director, said her team hopes to have frameworks completed in all subjects by June for board approval.

If the frameworks are approved, teachers would be expected to incorporate those ideas and questions into the math they teach beginning next fall, Castro-Gill said. No districtwide—or mandated—math/ethnic studies curriculum is planned, but groups of teachers are working with representatives of local community organizations to write instructional units for teachers to use if they wish, she said.

"Seattle is definitely on the forefront with this," said Robert Q. Berry III, the president of the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics. "What they're doing follows the line of work we hope we can move forward as we think about the history of math and who contributes to that, and also about deepening students' connection with identity and agency."

The proposal has drawn fire from the right. The American Conservative's Rod Dreher referred to it derisively as "woke math," writing:

The young people who are going to learn real math are those whose parents can afford to put them in private schools. The public school kids of all races are going to get dumber and dumber … and this is going to compel the wokesters in charge of Human Resources at institutions along life's way to demand changing standards to fit political goals. Eventually, bridges are going to start falling down. That too will be the fault of Whiteness.

That's a hyperbolic statement. But having read over the proposed framework, I have to say that it does seem fairly terrible. It's chock full of social justice jargon that sounds smart but is actually vapid. What does it mean to decode mathematical "beauty" or "identify how the development of mathematics has been erased from learning in school?" (Has it been erased? That seems like a problem for history class.) The guidance says it will "re-humanize mathematics through experiential learning" and facilitate learning "independently and interdependently." That's a fancy way of saying almost nothing at all.

Another article:
https://www.seattletimes.com/education-l...n-in-math/

Quote:Is Seattle really teaching that “math is racist”? Why did parents start to see ideas for math lessons that go far beyond numbers and into questions of identity?

These and other questions erupted on Twitter last week, shortly after Seattle Public Schools released a draft of new learning objectives that integrate ethnic studies into math, and after conservative news outlets began berating the district.

Seattle schools are in the process of developing ethnic-studies frameworks for different subjects, including social studies and art.

Other states, including Vermont, Oregon and California, are already creating K-12 materials that prioritize the experiences of communities of color. But while some school districts are only building stand-alone ethnic-studies classes, Seattle is also rethinking existing courses to be taught through an anti-racist lens.

In a U.S. history class, for example, histories of oppression, institutionalized racism, community organizing and resistance can be worked into the lesson plan, said Wayne Au, a professor at the University of Washington, Bothell, who has helped lead Seattle’s ethnic-studies initiative.

In math, lessons are more theoretical. Seattle’s recently released proposal includes questions like, “Where does Power and Oppression show up in our math experiences?” and “How is math manipulated to allow inequality and oppression to persist?”

And another: https://www.dailywire.com/news/seattle-p...r-is-right
Quote:Seattle Public Schools Teaching ‘Math Ethnic Studies,’ Asks, ‘Who Gets To Say If An Answer Is Right?’

And another: https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/10/m...professor/
Quote:“Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as White,” Rochelle Gutierrez wrote, according to an article in Campus Reform.


Confused? Think that math is just math? Well, you’re wrong; math might as well be called “white math,” because as Gutierrez explained, “curricula emphasizing terms like Pythagorean theorem and pi perpetuate a perception that mathematics was largely developed by Greeks and other Europeans.”

As further evidence of her argument, Gutierrez added that more white than nonwhite people are math professors and that math professors often benefit from “unearned privilege” — getting more grants and more respect than other professors — just because they are math professors and not professors in another academic field.

Let's just call it what it is shall we, enslavement. The ignorant are easily enslaved and that is what this agenda is all about. You can't manipulate free people who have the ability to reason, and part of reason is logic (already labeled racist and no longer taught in many high school curriculums) and the other is math.

With word usage already broken down and under assault with some words being twisted completely (gay) and other words being banned and with the acceptance of all manner of slang terms crossing several languages, the confusion of language has already occurred.

The goal here is the total ignorance of American children and the intellectual crippling of them to the extent that they are useless to their country, useless to themselves, and easily manipulated.

How the leadership of this country can allow this is already beyond reason and into the Twilight Zone.

It's a crime, it's part of domestic terrorism, and those practicing it should be jailed.
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(10-23-2019 12:42 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  It may lean left, but would you rather get a story about something happening in that locality from their newspaper or from a right leaning blog?

I'd rather get it from an objective source than either of those, but no objective sources appear to exist. I don't believe anything from either source.

Quote:You have to pick your poison, but local writers covering local issues has to be better than a blog that either didn’t get her statement OR intentionally left it out because their interest is in making this seem like America is burning under a white flame right now because of this issue.

I don't believe her statement to be true. I find it nonsensical in view of what is happening.
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(10-23-2019 12:19 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 12:08 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 11:47 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You know what is really oppressive? State fostered ignorance.

I think most Spin Room posters have fallen victim to this ignorance. I’m not sure if it’s state sponsored or just a personal preference though.

I’d like to thank the OP for posting multiple articles. The one that I’m particularly interested in is the one from the Seattle Times, which is the local paper for this purpose. In it, they actually do interview the person who wrote it and she specifically said that she doesn’t think—and didn’t say in the report—that math is inherently racist or oppressive. The other articles left that out for reasons I can’t quite grasp /s.

It’s more like they want students to be able to see themselves in the subject, while also showing why it’s important to pay attention to it.

There's a time and place for everything. Social justice issues can be discussed in the humanities and social sciences courses WITHIN REASON. However, trying to shoehorn it into STEM courses is stupid. Ultimately, mathematics is a tool.

Let's delve deeper and apply this to the trade schools. We should study what role the hammer played in oppressing POC... See how stupid that sounds???

Miko hammers oppress nails, nails oppress boards, joists oppress boards as well and the weight of the structure oppresses the foundation which oppresses the soil which is part of the environment, and all of it is oppressed by siding, windows, decking and rooves.

So all of engineering is oppressive, harmful to the environment and should be banned.

The simple truth from their perspective is that the only righteous people on the planet are the homeless in San Francisco who are crapping on the street trying to create new soil over the oppressive asphalt and concrete.

Now that is the ultimate conclusion of this wholly illogical line of thinking which our kids can't recognize because they haven't been taught to think, just react.

It's beyond a hellish nightmare!
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(10-23-2019 12:37 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 12:19 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 12:08 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 11:47 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You know what is really oppressive? State fostered ignorance.

I think most Spin Room posters have fallen victim to this ignorance. I’m not sure if it’s state sponsored or just a personal preference though.

I’d like to thank the OP for posting multiple articles. The one that I’m particularly interested in is the one from the Seattle Times, which is the local paper for this purpose. In it, they actually do interview the person who wrote it and she specifically said that she doesn’t think—and didn’t say in the report—that math is inherently racist or oppressive. The other articles left that out for reasons I can’t quite grasp /s.

It’s more like they want students to be able to see themselves in the subject, while also showing why it’s important to pay attention to it.

There's a time and place for everything. Social justice issues can be discussed in the humanities and social sciences courses WITHIN REASON. However, trying to shoehorn it into STEM courses is stupid. Ultimately, mathematics is a tool.

Let's delve deeper and apply this to the trade schools. We should study what role the hammer played in oppressing POC... See how stupid that sounds???

Did the hammer oppress anyone? Just my opinion (I truly don’t want to make this seem insulting), but I think the silly thing is the comparison you tried to make.

Math is also not independent of social sciences and humanities. It’s not just formulas and answers.

We come from different backgrounds, so I’m just going to tell you that there are certain things that I was taught about subjects like English, French, history, and later on math and IT (some of these things you guys would consider social justice) that made me more interested and better and the subjects. I think it could work for other students.

Math is a tool that we used within other disciplines. It's also known as the language of science. What you see as a silly comparison is in reality a decent one. The hammer is a tool used by a carpenter. Math is a tool used by an engineer. Comparison is valid.
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(10-23-2019 01:38 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 12:37 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 12:19 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 12:08 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 11:47 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You know what is really oppressive? State fostered ignorance.

I think most Spin Room posters have fallen victim to this ignorance. I’m not sure if it’s state sponsored or just a personal preference though.

I’d like to thank the OP for posting multiple articles. The one that I’m particularly interested in is the one from the Seattle Times, which is the local paper for this purpose. In it, they actually do interview the person who wrote it and she specifically said that she doesn’t think—and didn’t say in the report—that math is inherently racist or oppressive. The other articles left that out for reasons I can’t quite grasp /s.

It’s more like they want students to be able to see themselves in the subject, while also showing why it’s important to pay attention to it.

There's a time and place for everything. Social justice issues can be discussed in the humanities and social sciences courses WITHIN REASON. However, trying to shoehorn it into STEM courses is stupid. Ultimately, mathematics is a tool.

Let's delve deeper and apply this to the trade schools. We should study what role the hammer played in oppressing POC... See how stupid that sounds???

Did the hammer oppress anyone? Just my opinion (I truly don’t want to make this seem insulting), but I think the silly thing is the comparison you tried to make.

Math is also not independent of social sciences and humanities. It’s not just formulas and answers.

We come from different backgrounds, so I’m just going to tell you that there are certain things that I was taught about subjects like English, French, history, and later on math and IT (some of these things you guys would consider social justice) that made me more interested and better and the subjects. I think it could work for other students.

Math is a tool that we used within other disciplines. It's also known as the language of science. What you see as a silly comparison is in reality a decent one. The hammer is a tool used by a carpenter. Math is a tool used by an engineer. Comparison is valid.

We’re just gonna have to agree or disagree on this one. Math is a bit of a bigger academic field than hammering.
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(10-23-2019 01:38 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 12:37 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 12:19 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 12:08 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 11:47 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You know what is really oppressive? State fostered ignorance.

I think most Spin Room posters have fallen victim to this ignorance. I’m not sure if it’s state sponsored or just a personal preference though.

I’d like to thank the OP for posting multiple articles. The one that I’m particularly interested in is the one from the Seattle Times, which is the local paper for this purpose. In it, they actually do interview the person who wrote it and she specifically said that she doesn’t think—and didn’t say in the report—that math is inherently racist or oppressive. The other articles left that out for reasons I can’t quite grasp /s.

It’s more like they want students to be able to see themselves in the subject, while also showing why it’s important to pay attention to it.

There's a time and place for everything. Social justice issues can be discussed in the humanities and social sciences courses WITHIN REASON. However, trying to shoehorn it into STEM courses is stupid. Ultimately, mathematics is a tool.

Let's delve deeper and apply this to the trade schools. We should study what role the hammer played in oppressing POC... See how stupid that sounds???

Did the hammer oppress anyone? Just my opinion (I truly don’t want to make this seem insulting), but I think the silly thing is the comparison you tried to make.

Math is also not independent of social sciences and humanities. It’s not just formulas and answers.

We come from different backgrounds, so I’m just going to tell you that there are certain things that I was taught about subjects like English, French, history, and later on math and IT (some of these things you guys would consider social justice) that made me more interested and better and the subjects. I think it could work for other students.

Math is a tool that we used within other disciplines. It's also known as the language of science. What you see as a silly comparison is in reality a decent one. The hammer is a tool used by a carpenter. Math is a tool used by an engineer. Comparison is valid.

Engineers are racist
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(10-23-2019 12:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 12:42 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  It may lean left, but would you rather get a story about something happening in that locality from their newspaper or from a right leaning blog?

I'd rather get it from an objective source than either of those, but no objective sources appear to exist. I don't believe anything from either source.

Quote:You have to pick your poison, but local writers covering local issues has to be better than a blog that either didn’t get her statement OR intentionally left it out because their interest is in making this seem like America is burning under a white flame right now because of this issue.

I don't believe her statement to be true. I find it nonsensical in view of what is happening.

I disagree. The draft of the report is out there and it doesn’t lead me to think she’s trying to be deceptive. I think this goes far afield and deviates from the way I would teach it, but nothing in it says that she thinks formulas and answers are oppressive.
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(10-23-2019 02:35 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Engineers are racist

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When I read stories like this I just think our society is so soft. How in the world will our SJW society survive against China? China's hard.
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(10-23-2019 11:47 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You know what is really oppressive? State fostered ignorance.

This is the radleft goal. Our nation's education system didn't fall from best in the world to 23rd because we forgot how to teach kids.

Marxism is about control -- control of the masses by the few. And Marx stated you can't control those who are educated or those who are wealthy.

To gain control you have to dumb down the populace and take away people's money.
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(10-23-2019 02:43 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 12:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 12:42 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  It may lean left, but would you rather get a story about something happening in that locality from their newspaper or from a right leaning blog?

I'd rather get it from an objective source than either of those, but no objective sources appear to exist. I don't believe anything from either source.

Quote:You have to pick your poison, but local writers covering local issues has to be better than a blog that either didn’t get her statement OR intentionally left it out because their interest is in making this seem like America is burning under a white flame right now because of this issue.

I don't believe her statement to be true. I find it nonsensical in view of what is happening.

I disagree. The draft of the report is out there and it doesn’t lead me to think she’s trying to be deceptive. I think this goes far afield and deviates from the way I would teach it, but nothing in it says that she thinks formulas and answers are oppressive.

The fact that THIS MUCH EFFORT = https://www.k12.wa.us/sites/default/file...ework.pdf? was put into this... shows the intention.

You dont write out these questions if you're not serious about it:

Quote:How important is it to be Right? What is Right? Says Who?

How do we derive mathematical truth? Where does Power and Oppression show up in our math experiences?

Is there a place for power and authority in the math classroom?

Who gets to say if an answer is right?

Can you recognize and name oppressive mathematical practices in your experience?

Where is there an opportunity to examine systemic oppression?

How can math help us understand the impact of economic conditions and systems that contribute to poverty and slave labor?

How has math been used to resist and liberate people and communities of color from oppression?

How can we use math to measure the impact of activism?

How/why do mathematical processes demand collective thinking?

Can you suggest resolutions to oppressive mathematical practices?

How can we change mathematics from individualistic to collectivist thinking?

Can you advocate against oppressive mathematical practices?

None of those have anything to do with teaching kids addition/subtraction/multiplication/division/algebra/geometry/trigonometry/calculus/etc.
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Talk about going off on an odd tangent. None of this adds up.
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(10-23-2019 01:38 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 12:37 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 12:19 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 12:08 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 11:47 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You know what is really oppressive? State fostered ignorance.

I think most Spin Room posters have fallen victim to this ignorance. I’m not sure if it’s state sponsored or just a personal preference though.

I’d like to thank the OP for posting multiple articles. The one that I’m particularly interested in is the one from the Seattle Times, which is the local paper for this purpose. In it, they actually do interview the person who wrote it and she specifically said that she doesn’t think—and didn’t say in the report—that math is inherently racist or oppressive. The other articles left that out for reasons I can’t quite grasp /s.

It’s more like they want students to be able to see themselves in the subject, while also showing why it’s important to pay attention to it.

There's a time and place for everything. Social justice issues can be discussed in the humanities and social sciences courses WITHIN REASON. However, trying to shoehorn it into STEM courses is stupid. Ultimately, mathematics is a tool.

Let's delve deeper and apply this to the trade schools. We should study what role the hammer played in oppressing POC... See how stupid that sounds???

Did the hammer oppress anyone? Just my opinion (I truly don’t want to make this seem insulting), but I think the silly thing is the comparison you tried to make.

Math is also not independent of social sciences and humanities. It’s not just formulas and answers.

We come from different backgrounds, so I’m just going to tell you that there are certain things that I was taught about subjects like English, French, history, and later on math and IT (some of these things you guys would consider social justice) that made me more interested and better and the subjects. I think it could work for other students.

Math is a tool that we used within other disciplines. It's also known as the language of science. What you see as a silly comparison is in reality a decent one. The hammer is a tool used by a carpenter. Math is a tool used by an engineer. Comparison is valid.

like developing language skills, it's a tool used to drive to the (in)finite and enable measurable standards that yields to building and growth...

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(10-23-2019 10:03 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Talk about going off on an odd tangent. None of this adds up.

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Yes, this is dumb. Maybe EVERYTHING that is a little difficult will now be considered "oppresive" by Seattle Public Schools?
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(10-23-2019 10:03 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Talk about going off on an odd tangent. None of this adds up.

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Instead of calling math oppressive, why not speak the truth and call many of the teachers "incompetent?"
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(10-23-2019 10:57 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Would math be less racist if the tests looked like this?

1. D'Andre has an AK-47 with an 80-round clip. If he misses 6 out of 10 shots and shoots 13 times at each drive-by shooting, how many drive-by shootings can he attempt before he has to reload?

2. Jose has 2 ounces of cocaine and he sells an 8-ball to Jackson for $320 and 2 grams to Billy for $85 per gram. What is the street value of the balance of the cocaine if he doesn't cut it?

3. Rufus is pimping for three girls. If the price is $65 for each trick, how many tricks will each girl have to turn so Rufus can pay for his $800-per-day crack habit?

4. Jerome want to cut his 1/2 pound of heroin to make 20% more profit. How many ounces of cut will he need?

5. Damarcus gets $200 for stealing a BMW, $50 for a Chevy, and $100 for a 4X4. If he has stolen 2 BMWs, 3 4X4s, how many Chevies will he have to steal to make $800?

6. Raul got 6 years for murder. He also got $10,000 for the hit. If his common-law wife spends $100 per month, how much money will be left when he gets out?
Extra credit bonus: how much more time will he get for killing the biotch that that spent his money?

7. If an average can of spray paint covers 22 square feet and the average letter is 3 square feet, how many letters can be sprayed with 3 eight ounce cans of spray paint with 20% paint free?

8. Hector knocked up 3 girls in the gang. There are 27 girls in his gang. What is the exact percentage of girls Hector knocked up?

9. Thelma can cook dinner for her 16 children for $7.50 per night. She gets $234 a month welfare for each child. If her $325 per month rent goes up 15%, how many more children should she have to keep up with her expenses?

10. Salvador was arrested for dealing crack and his bail was set at $25,000. If he pays a bail bondsman 12% and returns to Mexico, how much money will he lose by jumping bail?

11. Tyrone is a lookout for the gang. Bernie has a Boa Constrictor that eats 3 small rats per week at a cost of $5 per rat. If Bernie makes $700 a week as a lookout, how many weeks can he feed the Boa on one week's income?

12. Billy steals Joe's skateboard. As Billy skates away at 35 mph, Joe loads his .357 Magnum. If it takes Joe 20 seconds to load his magnum, how far away will Billy be when he gets whacked?

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End result will be....Kids in Seattle will not be able to add, subtract, multiply or divide effectively but will feel OK with themselves about it.
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RE: Seattle Public Schools Will Start Teaching That Math Is Oppressive
(10-25-2019 07:43 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  End result will be....Kids in Seattle will not be able to add, subtract, multiply or divide effectively but will feel OK with themselves about it.

And they will hate the kids who can.
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