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List of G5 National Champions
Don't get your panties in a bunch, this is just for fun. However, I am willing to bet that the P5/6 continue to seperate itself from the rest of the pack, the other conference will develop some sort of playoff system or crown their own champion. When that happens, it only makes sense for some of those schools to go back and retroactively claim championships like Bama and others have slyly done. Anyways, here is the list, change as needed. Of note though, it is likely that the American will go with any P6 breakaway taking a few MWC schools with them. In that case, I doubt they would claim anything retroactively but I included them none the less.


1998: Tulane
1999: Marshall
2003: Miami of Ohio
2004: Utah
2006: Boise
2007: Hawaii
2008: Boise
2009: Boise
2010: TCU
2011: Boise
2012: Northern Illinois
2013: UCF
2014: Boise
2015: Houston
2016: Western Michigan
2017: UCF
2018: UCF
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(10-22-2019 10:59 AM)Shox Wrote:  Don't get your panties in a bunch, this is just for fun. However, I am willing to bet that the P5/6 continue to seperate itself from the rest of the pack, the other conference will develop some sort of playoff system or crown their own champion. When that happens, it only makes sense for some of those schools to go back and retroactively claim championships like Bama and others have slyly done. Anyways, here is the list, change as needed. Of note though, it is likely that the American will go with any P6 breakaway taking a few MWC schools with them. In that case, I doubt they would claim anything retroactively but I included them none the less.


1998: Tulane
1999: Marshall
2003: Miami of Ohio
2004: Utah
2006: Boise
2007: Hawaii
2008: Boise
2009: Boise
2010: TCU
2011: Boise
2012: Northern Illinois
2013: UCF
2014: Boise
2015: Houston
2016: Western Michigan
2017: UCF
2018: UCF

If there is a "breakaway" meaning either full split from the NCAA or an additional official subdivision for Div I football that would separate out the P5 then I guarantee you the AAC would not go along wholesale. The P5 (or 4) would cherry pick what they want and may even try to dump some of their current membership. They'd be much more interested in consolidation.

To your point, I doubt anyone is claiming retroactive FXS national titles.
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From https://americanrx.blogspot.com/2015/08/...hamps.html

there are three teams in the FBS with [recognized] national titles which are not in a P5 league; two of them are in the American Athletic Conference (AAC), the third is independent:

National Championships
SMU, 3 - 1935, 1981, 1982
Army, 3 - 1944, 1945, 1946
Navy, 1 - 1926
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I don’t think the G5 conferences would ever bite, but if they do, they should ask for a “plus one” model. Let the teams compete for their current bowl slots, then match up the best two afterwards.
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(10-22-2019 10:59 AM)Shox Wrote:  Don't get your panties in a bunch, this is just for fun. However, I am willing to bet that the P5/6 continue to seperate itself from the rest of the pack, the other conference will develop some sort of playoff system or crown their own champion. When that happens, it only makes sense for some of those schools to go back and retroactively claim championships like Bama and others have slyly done. Anyways, here is the list, change as needed. Of note though, it is likely that the American will go with any P6 breakaway taking a few MWC schools with them. In that case, I doubt they would claim anything retroactively but I included them none the less.


1998: Tulane
1999: Marshall
2003: Miami of Ohio
2004: Utah
2006: Boise
2007: Hawaii
2008: Boise
2009: Boise
2010: TCU
2011: Boise
2012: Northern Illinois
2013: UCF
2014: Boise
2015: Houston
2016: Western Michigan
2017: UCF
2018: UCF

So

Mountain West - 8
AAC -5
MAC - 3
CUSA - 1
Sun Belt - ZERO
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(10-22-2019 10:59 AM)Shox Wrote:  Don't get your panties in a bunch, this is just for fun. However, I am willing to bet that the P5/6 continue to seperate itself from the rest of the pack, the other conference will develop some sort of playoff system or crown their own champion. When that happens, it only makes sense for some of those schools to go back and retroactively claim championships like Bama and others have slyly done. Anyways, here is the list, change as needed. Of note though, it is likely that the American will go with any P6 breakaway taking a few MWC schools with them. In that case, I doubt they would claim anything retroactively but I included them none the less.


1998: Tulane
1999: Marshall
2003: Miami of Ohio
2004: Utah
2006: Boise
2007: Hawaii
2008: Boise
2009: Boise
2010: TCU
2011: Boise
2012: Northern Illinois
2013: UCF
2014: Boise
2015: Houston
2016: Western Michigan
2017: UCF
2018: UCF

NM
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(10-22-2019 01:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From https://americanrx.blogspot.com/2015/08/...hamps.html

there are three teams in the FBS with [recognized] national titles which are not in a P5 league; two of them are in the American Athletic Conference (AAC), the third is independent:

National Championships
SMU, 3 - 1935, 1981, 1982
Army, 3 - 1944, 1945, 1946
Navy, 1 - 1926


These are the schools that either shared or claimed NCs including before 1936 AP Polls. This does not include Ivy League schools.

Lafayette 3
U. of Chicago 2
BYU 1
Centre 1
UCF 1
Army 5 shared 2 other titles before 1944.
Washington and Jefferson
Detroit Mercy when they were known as Detroit.
Colgate

3 D3 teams that were D1 at one time shared the claim before 1936 as different polls had 3 or more teams were ranked number 1.
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List of G5 National Champions
(10-22-2019 01:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From https://americanrx.blogspot.com/2015/08/...hamps.html

there are three teams in the FBS with [recognized] national titles which are not in a P5 league; two of them are in the American Athletic Conference (AAC), the third is independent:

National Championships
SMU, 3 - 1935, 1981, 1982
Army, 3 - 1944, 1945, 1946
Navy, 1 - 1926


BYU would be very upset if their 1984 Natty wasn’t mentioned.


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(10-22-2019 09:36 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(10-22-2019 01:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From https://americanrx.blogspot.com/2015/08/...hamps.html

there are three teams in the FBS with [recognized] national titles which are not in a P5 league; two of them are in the American Athletic Conference (AAC), the third is independent:

National Championships
SMU, 3 - 1935, 1981, 1982
Army, 3 - 1944, 1945, 1946
Navy, 1 - 1926


BYU would be very upset if their 1984 Natty wasn’t mentioned.


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...then they need to join a conference! (this list was for G5 conference members, IIRC)
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(10-22-2019 01:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From https://americanrx.blogspot.com/2015/08/...hamps.html

there are three teams in the FBS with [recognized] national titles which are not in a P5 league; two of them are in the American Athletic Conference (AAC), the third is independent:

National Championships
SMU, 3 - 1935, 1981, 1982
Army, 3 - 1944, 1945, 1946
Navy, 1 - 1926

I remember 1982, and Penn State was the national champion that year.

I also remember 1981, and Clemson was the national champion that year.

SMU was the national champion neither of those years. The AP and UPI polls determined the national champions at that time, the only time anyone ever talked about a "split" championship was if they differed, e.g., in 1978, when the AP picked Alabama and the UPI picked USC.
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(10-23-2019 08:16 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-22-2019 01:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From https://americanrx.blogspot.com/2015/08/...hamps.html

there are three teams in the FBS with [recognized] national titles which are not in a P5 league; two of them are in the American Athletic Conference (AAC), the third is independent:

National Championships
SMU, 3 - 1935, 1981, 1982
Army, 3 - 1944, 1945, 1946
Navy, 1 - 1926

I remember 1982, and Penn State was the national champion that year.

I also remember 1981, and Clemson was the national champion that year.

SMU was the national champion neither of those years. The AP and UPI polls determined the national champions at that time, the only time anyone ever talked about a "split" championship was if they differed, e.g., in 1978, when the AP picked Alabama and the UPI picked USC.

Upon further review, the call is reversed - those SMU championship claims are pretty flimsy! I'd probably give more credence to UCF's recent claim - at least they were undefeated! (SMU was not)
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(10-23-2019 08:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 08:16 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-22-2019 01:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From https://americanrx.blogspot.com/2015/08/...hamps.html

there are three teams in the FBS with [recognized] national titles which are not in a P5 league; two of them are in the American Athletic Conference (AAC), the third is independent:

National Championships
SMU, 3 - 1935, 1981, 1982
Army, 3 - 1944, 1945, 1946
Navy, 1 - 1926

I remember 1982, and Penn State was the national champion that year.

I also remember 1981, and Clemson was the national champion that year.

SMU was the national champion neither of those years. The AP and UPI polls determined the national champions at that time, the only time anyone ever talked about a "split" championship was if they differed, e.g., in 1978, when the AP picked Alabama and the UPI picked USC.

Upon further review, the call is reversed - those SMU championship claims are pretty flimsy! I'd probably give more credence to UCF's recent claim - at least they were undefeated! (SMU was not)

Sorry if it seems I'm picking at you, but the notion of schools retroactively claiming titles, or doing so in the present day, based on flimsy nobody polls just because the NCAA has a list of 30 of them gets my goat, LOL.

But FWIW, SMU was undefeated in 1982. They had 11 wins and a tie, the only team that finished in the top 10 that didn't lose. They won the SWC and beat #6 Pitt, a loaded team with Dan Marino that was ranked #1 part of the year, in the Cotton Bowl. National champ Penn State did have a loss, they were 11-1. SMU was not an outsider-cinderella, they started the season ranked #6, never fell lower than #8, and finished at #2. They were a big-time contender all season long.

Given that they played a real "P5" schedule that year, whereas 2017 UCF did not, I would say that SMU 1982 had a much stronger argument for being voted national champ than did UCF in 2017, who has no claim at all.

Nevertheless, the culture of college football then was that whether you have an argument or not, it doesn't matter, who the polls picked decided it. Pointing at a single computer or lesser poll and claiming a national title on that basis was regarded as sheer nonsense.

I can assure you that the custom of the time was, if you were an SMU, to gnash your teeth and shout that your team was "robbed" by the pollsters, not to hang a banner and pretend that you were voted national champs when you weren't.

E.g., I will go to my grave thinking that 1993 Notre Dame and 1994 Penn State were totally deserving of being voted #1 by at least one of the two major polls, and that they were robbed that it didn't happen. But they weren't, so they weren't the national champs those years.
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Does a retroactive G5 championship really count if you were in a P conference at the time?

IMHO Houston, Rice, and SMU shouldn’t be eligible in the years they were in the SWC.

Same goes for Tulane during their SEC tenure.

I’m doubtful that Idaho or Montana were ever good enough to be mythical G Conference National Championships during their PAC 10 days but they would similarly be out.

I’ll give special dispensation for the 2013 AAC—their membership had been diminished by that point and they were only in the BCS that year because their was 1 year left on the contract.
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(10-23-2019 08:50 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Does a retroactive G5 championship really count if you were in a P conference at the time?

Good question, and in a word: No.

National titles belong to the conference you were in when you won it. E.g., UConn's 2014 hoops national title forever belongs to the AAC, it doesn't suddenly become a Big East title now that they are in the Big East. The title is the school's wherever it goes, but not the conference's.

If SMU won the 1935 national title while in the SWC, it makes no sense to call that a "G5" title when they were a "P" team at the time.
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If we were to try to take this back further, what is our criteria regarding independents?

Ex. Let’s say Louisville had a great season in 1989. Are they a G independent and eligible for the mythical G title or are they a P independent (ala ND, Pitt, Penn St, S Carolina, FSU, Miami, etc)
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(10-23-2019 09:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 08:50 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Does a retroactive G5 championship really count if you were in a P conference at the time?

Good question, and in a word: No.

National titles belong to the conference you were in when you won it. E.g., UConn's 2014 hoops national title forever belongs to the AAC, it doesn't suddenly become a Big East title now that they are in the Big East. The title is the school's wherever it goes, but not the conference's.

If SMU won the 1935 national title while in the SWC, it makes no sense to call that a "G5" title when they were a "P" team at the time.


I think Army and Washington and Jefferson or Centre were also claimed 1935 as NC as well.
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(10-23-2019 10:32 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If we were to try to take this back further, what is our criteria regarding independents?

Ex. Let’s say Louisville had a great season in 1989. Are they a G independent and eligible for the mythical G title or are they a P independent (ala ND, Pitt, Penn St, S Carolina, FSU, Miami, etc)

I think it depends on the school. For instance, Boise has a Juco and IAA national title. It would be very easy and fit into their narrative for them to retroactively claim G5 Championships if they were to "move up" to a P6 AAC. (again, assuming this becomes a thing and the G4/5 start naming their own)

A program has mega little brother syndrome or has moved up to the P6 (Houston, UCF, TCU, Utah) would never claim them either. However the true mid majors like the MAC and most of the MWC schools could and should.
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List of G5 National Champions
(10-23-2019 07:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(10-22-2019 09:36 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(10-22-2019 01:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From https://americanrx.blogspot.com/2015/08/...hamps.html

there are three teams in the FBS with [recognized] national titles which are not in a P5 league; two of them are in the American Athletic Conference (AAC), the third is independent:

National Championships
SMU, 3 - 1935, 1981, 1982
Army, 3 - 1944, 1945, 1946
Navy, 1 - 1926


BYU would be very upset if their 1984 Natty wasn’t mentioned.


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...then they need to join a conference! (this list was for G5 conference members, IIRC)
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At that time they were in the MWC.


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(10-23-2019 06:54 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 07:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(10-22-2019 09:36 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(10-22-2019 01:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From https://americanrx.blogspot.com/2015/08/...hamps.html

there are three teams in the FBS with [recognized] national titles which are not in a P5 league; two of them are in the American Athletic Conference (AAC), the third is independent:

National Championships
SMU, 3 - 1935, 1981, 1982
Army, 3 - 1944, 1945, 1946
Navy, 1 - 1926


BYU would be very upset if their 1984 Natty wasn’t mentioned.


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...then they need to join a conference! (this list was for G5 conference members, IIRC)
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At that time they were in the MWC.


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No they were in the WAC in '84.
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