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(10-21-2019 12:14 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  Anyway, wasnt a main tenet of the For The Bold 1Billion campaign to endow all athletics scholarships? I dont think they wanted to cut sports.

Swimming could be self-sufficient, but only after a new pool. Look to City of Williamsburg to help fund a high-end competition pool that can be shared with local tournaments.

Lets just replace this City Owned pool with a more grand all-season version. Its right off campus and Old people love to swim. Get the city to pay 75%.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Willia...76.7202672
10-23-2019 03:12 PM
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(10-23-2019 03:12 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  Lets just replace this City Owned pool with a more grand all-season version. Its right off campus and Old people love to swim. Get the city to pay 75%.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Willia...76.7202672

I grew up at this pool. I don't think it's city-owned; I believe Williamsburg Area Memorial Community Center is an independent entity.

Pool-wise, it's smaller than the Rec Center pool. It does have a diving well of sorts, though.
10-23-2019 08:40 PM
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(10-23-2019 08:40 PM)Blow Gym rat Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 03:12 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  Lets just replace this City Owned pool with a more grand all-season version. Its right off campus and Old people love to swim. Get the city to pay 75%.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Willia...76.7202672

I grew up at this pool. I don't think it's city-owned; I believe Williamsburg Area Memorial Community Center is an independent entity.

you are correct about the pool being independently owned, I worked at ACE Hardware for several years and in fact, the shopping center actually rented parking spaces from the pool so Ace would have ample parking for the store
Pool-wise, it's smaller than the Rec Center pool. It does have a diving well of sorts, though.
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October 22, 2019
Dear W&M Swimming Community,
Last week, a number of you reached out to share concerns about our swimming program’s ability to thrive within W&M Athletics strategic plan, Tribe 2025. We very much appreciate you expressing those concerns directly with us. We address them below to provide a better shared understanding of the current resource base that we hope to bolster moving forward.
To start with, nothing has changed for the swimming program or our support of it. Tribe 2025 does clarify W&M Athletics’ commitment to reaching NCAA championship competition and succeeding there. It also focuses new efforts on promoting the programs most capable of boosting school spirit, national recognition and generating revenue – all of which lifts the university and entire athletics program.
As an NCAA Division I member, our aspiration to boldly pursue excellence in competition goes beyond local success and into competitive national success. We want our students to aspire to and meet great challenges in athletics just as they do in the classroom. We want them to do so while maintaining high standards of academic achievement, respect and integrity.
W&M Athletics Tribe 2025, p. 5
We are on the same page regarding the track record of W&M Swimming: the program has enjoyed great success in the Colonial Athletic Association (CAA). The men claimed their fifth consecutive CAA championship in 2019, regularly besting their four opponents by a wide margin. The women finished second the last two years after winning consecutive CAA championships in 2016 and 2017. That conference success has also provided opportunities on the national stage, most recently by Katie Radloff '10, the only W&M women’s swimmer ever to qualify for the NCAA championship meet. Four men’s swimmers, most recently Shawn McLane '86, have qualified for the NCAA championship meet during the program’s history.
Beyond its competitive achievements, W&M Swimming rightfully takes great pride in its student-athletes’ high standards of academic achievement, respect and integrity. The men’s team won the 2018-19 CAA Team Academic Excellence Award, one of only two teams to win the conference championship while earning that academic recognition. Claire Williams’19 was the CAA Female Scholar-Athlete of the Year in 2018-19 as well as one of two Phi Beta Kappa initiates alongside teammate Nina Lesser ’19. Both the men’s and women’s teams earned NCAA

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Public Recognition Awards in 2019 for ranking in the top 10% nationally in Academic Progress Rating (APR), the third consecutive honor for the men and fifth for the women.
As we approach our aspiration to boldly pursue excellence that translates into success nationally at the NCAA Division I level, it’s clear that W&M Swimming needs enhanced resources. We have been pursuing these resources for some time, and within Tribe 2025 have recommitted ourselves to that pursuit – as well as to shared responsibility alongside the W&M Swimming community for the results. The updates below address questions posed about facilities, operating resources and scholarships.
The passion of the W&M Swimming community is clear. The accomplishments of the program are remarkable, its student-athletes and coaches deserving of greater support. We believe the alumni and friends of W&M Swimming are up to the challenge to leave the program in a better position than they found it – a responsibility we share together.
Thanks, as always, for your continuing support as well as willingness to consider how even more might be done.
Go Tribe!
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Facilities
As you know, there is no dedicated varsity swimming facility at William & Mary, only a 25-yard pool in the Rec Center without a diving well and devoted locker room space for the teams. The need for a swimming facility was identified as a top priority in the 2015 report by the Committee on Competitive Excellence. It has been a priority in the For the Bold campaign. Though we have not achieved the level of support from potential donors that we need to date, we continue to press.
In addition to enhancing the experience for our student-athletes, an upgraded facility would also allow for enhanced revenue streams which do not currently exist, including concessions and merchandise sales, the ability to host meets and reduce travel expenses and the opportunity to rent the venue for outside events.
Creative options might include partnerships, though none have yet come to fruition. Annual operating support for such a facility, in the seven figures, would also need to be factored in. We continue to press here as well.
Operating Support and Scholarships
To fulfill our competitive aspirations, W&M Swimming’s resources must grow significantly. The strategic plan frames the reality that in order for the program to thrive in the future, resources must be found through philanthropy.
Less than 25% of the current budget comes from the endowments that are dedicated to the swimming program. The remaining funds are derived from student fees (46%), annual giving to the Tribe Club (25%) and other revenue sources not directly tied to the swimming program (4%). Less than 8% of the current budget is dedicated to scholarships, compared to more than 92% to operating expenses and salaries. Increasing our scholarship funding remains a primary goal of our fundraising efforts.
In Tribe 2025, under Goal Three: Financial Sustainability’s first objective, we established specific targets for annual giving and endowment. We’re actively engaging donors throughout the W&M Athletics community – and particularly within the W&M Swimming community – to ensure more robust operations and scholarships. We’re also encouraging everyone, regardless of amount, to participate in annual giving this and every year – it matters immensely.
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Since Ive been called a Huge apologist before, I didnt want to chime in on this, but this letter reflects something that I had thought about.

Some of the statements in the 2025 plan that caused concern over dropping swimming were likely phrased shockingly by intention...as a "cry for help" to bring attention to this issue and the lack of donating.

I do agree, though, that it would have been a lot smoother if they had just put out something like this letter at the same time.
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November 6, 2019
Dear W&M Swimming Community,
William & Mary Athletics is committed to ensuring the swimming program’s continued success. The language choice in the athletics strategic plan was crafted to serve as a “call to action” - a choice we now realize caused great concern. For that reason, our team has adjusted the language to better reflect our continued support of and commitment to the men’s and women’s swimming programs. We engaged former swimming student-athletes as well as our coaching staff and other stakeholders in the editing process to revise the language in Tribe 2025 that addresses the facility needs of the swimming program. We would like to share the updated paragraph below.
Swimming Natatorium. The swimming teams currently share space in the Recreation Center with recreational sports. The current facility lacks both a diving well and dedicated locker rooms and there is very limited spectator space. A new aquatics facility is important to continue the team’s success at the current CAA Championship level and to serve as a springboard for meeting the program’s ambitions at the NCAA Championship meet level. A new 50-meter facility will provide improved training flexibility, expands programming for recreational users in the W&M community, and enables additional revenue generating opportunities through the hosting of meets and other programming. Although this project was included in the goals for the university’s For the Bold campaign, the necessary funding has not been donated. William & Mary plans to explore funding options outside of the For the Bold campaign over the next several months. It is anticipated that approximately $25 million will be necessary to fully fund the desired facility and an additional $1 million in annual funding to maintain the facility.
W&M Athletics Tribe 2025, p. 9
A revised version of the strategic plan will be posted on our Tribe Athletics website by the close of the week. Thank you again for your support of our program and student-athletes.
11-07-2019 02:52 PM
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Perhaps if they might present the facility as something for the entire student body, administration and faculty and their families...replacing an old and antiquated current Adair facility...they may be exploring,
as they're going outside the "For the Bold" campaign for funding, making a presentation to the state
for funds.

If not, shouldn't it be considered?
11-07-2019 03:20 PM
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(11-07-2019 02:52 PM)nj alum Wrote:  ..... Although this project was included in the goals for the university’s For the Bold campaign, the necessary funding has not been donated. William & Mary plans to explore funding options outside of the For the Bold campaign over the next several months.

This wording is completely disingenuous and even worse than before. They changed "identified" to "donated" in the first sentence (because people like me objected by pointing out that any of the $1B could serve as the "identified" funds). So they are saying that even though the For The Bold push got (close to) the $1B, they are not attributing any of it to the natatorium because not enough donations were specifically tied to swimming. So what? Many people (like me) respond to a call for donations and do not specifically designate our funds --- the logic being that many things need the funds and that if the goal is reached then ALL the needs that were identified will receive their share. Their now saying that specific funds were not identified serves two purposes. First, it might cause swimming fans/alums to donate more just to specifically help swimming, and, second, it allows them to be able to cut the program if such funds are not identified (and $25M is a LOT of money, more than the Laycock Center cost). Personally, I believe that it is the intent of the AD to eliminate swimming and this gives her an out, while the verbiage change above also makes her look better in the meantime. There is no need to "explore funding options outside of the For the Bold campaign" when the For The Bold itself should cover it (why even bother identifying goals, like the natatorium, if you aren't going to use the donated funds towards those identified goals?).

My attitude is that the For The Bold made (will make) its goal and therefore all the previously identified needs (including swimming) should be funded out of that $1B.
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Not exactly new news in our world but SwimSwam is pretty big in the swimming world. Good to get some press and maybe some motivation on a new natatorium.

https://swimswam.com/william-mary-explor...atatorium/
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I have saved the best thread for last.

Read posts 24 and 26 ... the letters from the Administration. They have not, and do not, age well.

If any of you don’t think that there is now a humongous trust issue with our entire Administration, you have hooked your brains into a perpetual Kool Aid machine.
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