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AP Top 25 out
just saw released-
Villanova 10
Seton Hall 12
Xavier 19
others-
Marquette 29
Georgetown 37
Creighton 40
Providence t49

pretty fair I'd say.
10-21-2019 11:43 AM
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Agreed.
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And very strong to have seven of the 10 getting votes.
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Good start for the year.

Nova and SHU should switch spots tho.
10-21-2019 02:33 PM
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RE: AP Top 25 out
(10-21-2019 11:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  just saw released-
Villanova 10
Seton Hall 12
Xavier 19
others-
Marquette 29
Georgetown 37
Creighton 40
Providence t49

pretty fair I'd say.

I think providence, creighton, and georgetown can all be better than those projections. unfortunately, i don't think Nova and SHU will be as good as advertised. we will have 6-7 teams bunched in the top 20
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RE: AP Top 25 out
(10-21-2019 11:46 PM)scoscox Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 11:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  just saw released-
Villanova 10
Seton Hall 12
Xavier 19
others-
Marquette 29
Georgetown 37
Creighton 40
Providence t49

pretty fair I'd say.

I think providence, creighton, and georgetown can all be better than those projections. unfortunately, i don't think Nova and SHU will be as good as advertised. we will have 6-7 teams bunched in the top 20

It's tough though for a round robin league to have more than 3-4 teams in the top 25. Even look at the KP projections- teams with 8 conference losses along with 3-4 OOC losses- that's 11-12 losses- those aren't in the top 25 normally.

I think SHU may be as good as advertised, but their schedule is brutal. from Ken Pom Ratings-
#1 Michigan St
#30 Oregon
#9 Gonzaga/#229 So Miss(talk about a huge 1st game in Atlantis)
#6 UNC/#21 Michigan/#47 Iowa St/#70 Alabama(no matter what a tough game)
@ #47 Iowa St
@ #63 Rutgers
#16 Maryland

They could be a good team and get 4-5 losses tagged to them there. They have for sure 6 tough games, and a 7th is very possible.
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I worded that badly. I meant that we'll have 6-7 teams from 20-30.
10-23-2019 06:22 PM
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(10-22-2019 07:23 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 11:46 PM)scoscox Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 11:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  just saw released-
Villanova 10
Seton Hall 12
Xavier 19
others-
Marquette 29
Georgetown 37
Creighton 40
Providence t49

pretty fair I'd say.

I think providence, creighton, and georgetown can all be better than those projections. unfortunately, i don't think Nova and SHU will be as good as advertised. we will have 6-7 teams bunched in the top 20

It's tough though for a round robin league to have more than 3-4 teams in the top 25. Even look at the KP projections- teams with 8 conference losses along with 3-4 OOC losses- that's 11-12 losses- those aren't in the top 25 normally.

I think SHU may be as good as advertised, but their schedule is brutal. from Ken Pom Ratings-
#1 Michigan St
#30 Oregon
#9 Gonzaga/#229 So Miss(talk about a huge 1st game in Atlantis)
#6 UNC/#21 Michigan/#47 Iowa St/#70 Alabama(no matter what a tough game)
@ #47 Iowa St
@ #63 Rutgers
#16 Maryland

They could be a good team and get 4-5 losses tagged to them there. They have for sure 6 tough games, and a 7th is very possible.


That's a meat-grinder of a non-conference slate.
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RE: AP Top 25 out
saw guy from Bracketville(who you new guys will hear me talk about a lot- he's a really good bracketologist)- did his initial bracket.... I don't look at his actual bracket- but rather the seed list...
Seton Hall 10 - 3 seed
Villanova 13- 4 seed
Xavier 16- 4 seed
Marquette 31- 8 seed
Providence 33- 9 seed
Creighton 35- 9 seed

Georgetown 69
Butler 91
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(10-23-2019 11:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  saw guy from Bracketville(who you new guys will hear me talk about a lot- he's a really good bracketologist)- did his initial bracket.... I don't look at his actual bracket- but rather the seed list...
Seton Hall 10 - 3 seed
Villanova 13- 4 seed
Xavier 16- 4 seed
Marquette 31- 8 seed
Providence 33- 9 seed
Creighton 35- 9 seed

Georgetown 69
Butler 91

Three top-4 seeds is very good. I know you'll point to three 8/9 seeds, but potentially having several top seeds would be very beneficial.
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(10-23-2019 11:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  saw guy from Bracketville(who you new guys will hear me talk about a lot- he's a really good bracketologist)- did his initial bracket.... I don't look at his actual bracket- but rather the seed list...
Seton Hall 10 - 3 seed
Villanova 13- 4 seed
Xavier 16- 4 seed
Marquette 31- 8 seed
Providence 33- 9 seed
Creighton 35- 9 seed

Georgetown 69
Butler 91

Would not be bad at all. Any league that gets three top four seeds is doing well. That's three "Top 16" teams.

I do hope Georgetown makes the tourney, however.

Nats wins, S20. Two down and two to go. Good luck.
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RE: AP Top 25 out
(10-24-2019 08:27 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 11:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  saw guy from Bracketville(who you new guys will hear me talk about a lot- he's a really good bracketologist)- did his initial bracket.... I don't look at his actual bracket- but rather the seed list...
Seton Hall 10 - 3 seed
Villanova 13- 4 seed
Xavier 16- 4 seed
Marquette 31- 8 seed
Providence 33- 9 seed
Creighton 35- 9 seed

Georgetown 69
Butler 91

Three top-4 seeds is very good. I know you'll point to three 8/9 seeds, but potentially having several top seeds would be very beneficial.

oh yeah.... Seton Hall is going to be really interesting to see. I think they're probably the most talented team- but they have such an absolute brutal schedule that you could easily see them going into conference play with 4 or even 5 losses.

Will say this, if SH enters conference play with only 2 losses, they have a great shot at a top seed.
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RE: AP Top 25 out
(10-24-2019 08:55 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 11:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  saw guy from Bracketville(who you new guys will hear me talk about a lot- he's a really good bracketologist)- did his initial bracket.... I don't look at his actual bracket- but rather the seed list...
Seton Hall 10 - 3 seed
Villanova 13- 4 seed
Xavier 16- 4 seed
Marquette 31- 8 seed
Providence 33- 9 seed
Creighton 35- 9 seed

Georgetown 69
Butler 91

Would not be bad at all. Any league that gets three top four seeds is doing well. That's three "Top 16" teams.

I do hope Georgetown makes the tourney, however.

Nats wins, S20. Two down and two to go. Good luck.

it's tough in this situation to get Georgetown in... I mean for the league to get 3 top 4 seeds, those teams are going to have to get a lot of conference wins- like at least 12-13 for all 3 of them. Then for the other 3 to get top 8-9 seeds- going to take 10 at least. That's 69 conference wins just right there for the top 6 seeds, with only 21 left for the other 4 teams. 12 of those 21 wins are just head to head with the other 4 teams playing each other. Doesn't leave many wins vs the top 6 teams.

I think it'll be interesting to see just how good St John's and DePaul are this year. If they are 5-6 win good- it's goign to really put a crunch on that 2nd tier of teams.
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(10-24-2019 09:39 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 08:55 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 11:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  saw guy from Bracketville(who you new guys will hear me talk about a lot- he's a really good bracketologist)- did his initial bracket.... I don't look at his actual bracket- but rather the seed list...
Seton Hall 10 - 3 seed
Villanova 13- 4 seed
Xavier 16- 4 seed
Marquette 31- 8 seed
Providence 33- 9 seed
Creighton 35- 9 seed

Georgetown 69
Butler 91

Would not be bad at all. Any league that gets three top four seeds is doing well. That's three "Top 16" teams.

I do hope Georgetown makes the tourney, however.

Nats wins, S20. Two down and two to go. Good luck.

it's tough in this situation to get Georgetown in... I mean for the league to get 3 top 4 seeds, those teams are going to have to get a lot of conference wins- like at least 12-13 for all 3 of them. Then for the other 3 to get top 8-9 seeds- going to take 10 at least. That's 69 conference wins just right there for the top 6 seeds, with only 21 left for the other 4 teams. 12 of those 21 wins are just head to head with the other 4 teams playing each other. Doesn't leave many wins vs the top 6 teams.

I think it'll be interesting to see just how good St John's and DePaul are this year. If they are 5-6 win good- it's goign to really put a crunch on that 2nd tier of teams.


Agree fully.
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(10-23-2019 06:22 PM)scoscox Wrote:  I worded that badly. I meant that we'll have 6-7 teams from 20-30.

The Epperson injury could really hurt creighton pretty badly and i might have to amend this prediction
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(10-24-2019 10:10 PM)scoscox Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 06:22 PM)scoscox Wrote:  I worded that badly. I meant that we'll have 6-7 teams from 20-30.

The Epperson injury could really hurt creighton pretty badly and i might have to amend this prediction

Could make their OOC schedule really bad. Really put them behind the 8 ball- already only 35th - so it's really not that far away from Dayton and the NIT
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RE: AP Top 25 out
(10-24-2019 11:37 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 09:39 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 08:55 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 11:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  saw guy from Bracketville(who you new guys will hear me talk about a lot- he's a really good bracketologist)- did his initial bracket.... I don't look at his actual bracket- but rather the seed list...
Seton Hall 10 - 3 seed
Villanova 13- 4 seed
Xavier 16- 4 seed
Marquette 31- 8 seed
Providence 33- 9 seed
Creighton 35- 9 seed

Georgetown 69
Butler 91

Would not be bad at all. Any league that gets three top four seeds is doing well. That's three "Top 16" teams.

I do hope Georgetown makes the tourney, however.

Nats wins, S20. Two down and two to go. Good luck.

it's tough in this situation to get Georgetown in... I mean for the league to get 3 top 4 seeds, those teams are going to have to get a lot of conference wins- like at least 12-13 for all 3 of them. Then for the other 3 to get top 8-9 seeds- going to take 10 at least. That's 69 conference wins just right there for the top 6 seeds, with only 21 left for the other 4 teams. 12 of those 21 wins are just head to head with the other 4 teams playing each other. Doesn't leave many wins vs the top 6 teams.

I think it'll be interesting to see just how good St John's and DePaul are this year. If they are 5-6 win good- it's goign to really put a crunch on that 2nd tier of teams.


Agree fully.

Disagree. The scenario above would definitely make it work as a lock... but it doesn't have to be that way. Several of the top tier BE teams have some pretty difficult OOC schedules. 3 teams can get top seeds and we could still get 3 maybe even 4 (that's a stretch) in with 9 wins in conference play. Heck, if Seton hall blows the doors off their OOC but slip in conference play, they could still get in with 8 conference wins depending on who they win/lose to. I feel like a broken record, but OOC matters and affects bids just as much as conference play.
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(10-25-2019 11:08 AM)MU in MKE Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 11:37 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 09:39 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 08:55 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 11:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  saw guy from Bracketville(who you new guys will hear me talk about a lot- he's a really good bracketologist)- did his initial bracket.... I don't look at his actual bracket- but rather the seed list...
Seton Hall 10 - 3 seed
Villanova 13- 4 seed
Xavier 16- 4 seed
Marquette 31- 8 seed
Providence 33- 9 seed
Creighton 35- 9 seed

Georgetown 69
Butler 91

Would not be bad at all. Any league that gets three top four seeds is doing well. That's three "Top 16" teams.

I do hope Georgetown makes the tourney, however.

Nats wins, S20. Two down and two to go. Good luck.

it's tough in this situation to get Georgetown in... I mean for the league to get 3 top 4 seeds, those teams are going to have to get a lot of conference wins- like at least 12-13 for all 3 of them. Then for the other 3 to get top 8-9 seeds- going to take 10 at least. That's 69 conference wins just right there for the top 6 seeds, with only 21 left for the other 4 teams. 12 of those 21 wins are just head to head with the other 4 teams playing each other. Doesn't leave many wins vs the top 6 teams.

I think it'll be interesting to see just how good St John's and DePaul are this year. If they are 5-6 win good- it's goign to really put a crunch on that 2nd tier of teams.


Agree fully.

Disagree. The scenario above would definitely make it work as a lock... but it doesn't have to be that way. Several of the top tier BE teams have some pretty difficult OOC schedules. 3 teams can get top seeds and we could still get 3 maybe even 4 (that's a stretch) in with 9 wins in conference play. Heck, if Seton hall blows the doors off their OOC but slip in conference play, they could still get in with 8 conference wins depending on who they win/lose to. I feel like a broken record, but OOC matters and affects bids just as much as conference play.

Definitely agree with you that OOC matters....

HOWEVER- for the Big East to get 3 top 4 seeds- the 3 teams are going to have to go bare minimum 12-6 in conference play..... And have done really well in OOC. last year for top 4 seeds- every single top 4 seed had at most 9 losses. With only 4 having more than 7 losses.

Also- Seton Hall could get in the tourney with 8 conference wins and a great OOC with the schedule they have- but is sure as hell wouldn't be as a top 4 seed.
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RE: AP Top 25 out
(10-25-2019 11:22 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-25-2019 11:08 AM)MU in MKE Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 11:37 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 09:39 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 08:55 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Would not be bad at all. Any league that gets three top four seeds is doing well. That's three "Top 16" teams.

I do hope Georgetown makes the tourney, however.

Nats wins, S20. Two down and two to go. Good luck.

it's tough in this situation to get Georgetown in... I mean for the league to get 3 top 4 seeds, those teams are going to have to get a lot of conference wins- like at least 12-13 for all 3 of them. Then for the other 3 to get top 8-9 seeds- going to take 10 at least. That's 69 conference wins just right there for the top 6 seeds, with only 21 left for the other 4 teams. 12 of those 21 wins are just head to head with the other 4 teams playing each other. Doesn't leave many wins vs the top 6 teams.

I think it'll be interesting to see just how good St John's and DePaul are this year. If they are 5-6 win good- it's goign to really put a crunch on that 2nd tier of teams.


Agree fully.

Disagree. The scenario above would definitely make it work as a lock... but it doesn't have to be that way. Several of the top tier BE teams have some pretty difficult OOC schedules. 3 teams can get top seeds and we could still get 3 maybe even 4 (that's a stretch) in with 9 wins in conference play. Heck, if Seton hall blows the doors off their OOC but slip in conference play, they could still get in with 8 conference wins depending on who they win/lose to. I feel like a broken record, but OOC matters and affects bids just as much as conference play.

Definitely agree with you that OOC matters....

HOWEVER- for the Big East to get 3 top 4 seeds- the 3 teams are going to have to go bare minimum 12-6 in conference play..... And have done really well in OOC. last year for top 4 seeds- every single top 4 seed had at most 9 losses. With only 4 having more than 7 losses.

Also- Seton Hall could get in the tourney with 8 conference wins and a great OOC with the schedule they have- but is sure as hell wouldn't be as a top 4 seed.


Yeah, in this scenario Seton hall wouldn't be one of those top seeds. I'm just saying it doesn't "have" to turn out with the requirements put up above. There's so many variables, a lot more ways for the scenario to turn out. Right now, I'm just being cautiously optimistic for a strong OOC season for the BE this year and then we'll see where things stand.
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(10-21-2019 11:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  just saw released-
Villanova 10
Seton Hall 12
Xavier 19
others-
Marquette 29
Georgetown 37
Creighton 40
Providence t49

pretty fair I'd say.

Coaches Poll:

10. Nova
13. Seton Hall
21. Xavier
27. Marquette
33. Creighton
36. Providence
38t. Georgetown
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