(10-21-2019 11:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  On the Never-Trumpers, I think they just want attention.

The Never-Trumpers, by and large, are people who didn't need attention. The Bushes are staying out of it as much as they can out of respect for the office of the Presidency, because they know just how hard the job is.

Say what you will about the Bushes, but they are men of conviction.

(10-21-2019 11:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  https://amgreatness.com/2019/10/20/why-d...te-him-so/

"...Again, why the unadulterated hatred?

I read a great article a few months ago that proposed a good answer for this. Can't find it now, but...

The gist is that Democrats have built up this image of Republicans in their minds. They think that Republicans secretly want a racist, mysogynist, super-wealthy President who runs the USA for the benefit of wealthy corporations. Then Donald Trump comes along, and Democrats think that Republicans are getting exactly what they want. He's a billionaire (even worse, his wealth his inherited). He's crude, he brags about his sexual exploits, he says insensitive things about minorities. He perfectly matches this strawman Perfect Conservative that Democrats have built up in their minds.

THAT's what Democrats hate - Republicans getting exactly what they want, while Democrats are left without control of any of the 3 branches (and only in charge of a handful of state governments too).

Never mind the evidence that Trump is NOT what Republicans wanted - I mean come on, the last 3 Republican presidential candidates actively opposed Trump even after he won the Republican nomination! Consider: did Trump win by increasing Conservative turnout (due to being exactly what Conservatives want in a President), or by convincing lots of career Democrats to switch parties?

But then again, accurately interpreting evidence has never been progressives' strong suit.

(10-21-2019 08:52 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-21-2019 07:43 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(10-21-2019 06:22 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Why do they so hate Hillary? Trump hate pales in comparison.

Because she has absolutely no people skills, has terrible policies, blames others for her mistakes, has a raunchy personality, and is just basically a useless skank.


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that summed it up 'nicely'....

Except he left out the part where she's a criminal...

I had hopes he would try to work a bit across the aisle, and (foolishly) I had hopes he'd be moderate on some social issues. With those two thoughts long gone, I see no reason at all to want a 73-year-old tired sounding man in the White House another 5 years. We need younger leadership. I briefly thought Biden would be a good answer because he might be able to reunite this country a bit, but he's even older and more loony than Trump at this point.

I still would consider voting for a more moderate and younger Republican. My two favorite Democratic candidates are Yang (whose economic thoughts are intriguing but he's not presidential enough), and Mayor Pete (who I'd prefer as a VP because of his age). I'm not sold on any of the other Democrats. I'll probably skip voting for president for the first time in my lifetime if it's say Warren vs Trump. But I'll still vote on the down ballot spots.

(10-24-2019 06:30 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-21-2019 08:52 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-21-2019 07:43 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(10-21-2019 06:22 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Why do they so hate Hillary? Trump hate pales in comparison.

Because she has absolutely no people skills, has terrible policies, blames others for her mistakes, has a raunchy personality, and is just basically a useless skank.


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that summed it up 'nicely'....

Except he left out the part where she's a criminal...

any word/phrase in single quotes implies one of two things....my take on the verbiage spin or sarcasm (or both)...

if only I had a dollar for everyone that told me, "you speak in tongues" with the response, "I'm forked."....

(10-24-2019 06:49 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I had hopes he would try to work a bit across the aisle, and (foolishly) I had hopes he'd be moderate on some social issues. With those two thoughts long gone, I see no reason at all to want a 73-year-old tired sounding man in the White House another 5 years. We need younger leadership. I briefly thought Biden would be a good answer because he might be able to reunite this country a bit, but he's even older and more loony than Trump at this point.

I still would consider voting for a more moderate and younger Republican. My two favorite Democratic candidates are Yang (whose economic thoughts are intriguing but he's not presidential enough), and Mayor Pete (who I'd prefer as a VP because of his age). I'm not sold on any of the other Democrats. I'll probably skip voting for president for the first time in my lifetime if it's say Warren vs Trump. But I'll still vote on the down ballot spots.

This is why Trump will win in a landslide....

(10-24-2019 07:13 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 06:49 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I had hopes he would try to work a bit across the aisle, and (foolishly) I had hopes he'd be moderate on some social issues. With those two thoughts long gone, I see no reason at all to want a 73-year-old tired sounding man in the White House another 5 years. We need younger leadership. I briefly thought Biden would be a good answer because he might be able to reunite this country a bit, but he's even older and more loony than Trump at this point.

I still would consider voting for a more moderate and younger Republican. My two favorite Democratic candidates are Yang (whose economic thoughts are intriguing but he's not presidential enough), and Mayor Pete (who I'd prefer as a VP because of his age). I'm not sold on any of the other Democrats. I'll probably skip voting for president for the first time in my lifetime if it's say Warren vs Trump. But I'll still vote on the down ballot spots.

This is why Trump will win in a landslide....

I dunno. I'm 55, white and not in a swing state (yet at least). My vote won't decide the presidency. It's the minority, young vote, and swing state votes (upper midwest, Florida, maybe Arizona) that will decide things like usual. If they're not supporting Warren or Sanders or Biden, or whomever, then maybe you're right. But I haven't seen any signs yet that they won't vote for a Democratic president.

Does anyone agree with me that Trump sounds tired? Maybe I need to link some of his speeches from 3 or 4 years ago, and the current ones to prove my point.

(10-24-2019 07:13 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 06:49 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I had hopes he would try to work a bit across the aisle, and (foolishly) I had hopes he'd be moderate on some social issues. With those two thoughts long gone, I see no reason at all to want a 73-year-old tired sounding man in the White House another 5 years. We need younger leadership. I briefly thought Biden would be a good answer because he might be able to reunite this country a bit, but he's even older and more loony than Trump at this point.

I still would consider voting for a more moderate and younger Republican. My two favorite Democratic candidates are Yang (whose economic thoughts are intriguing but he's not presidential enough), and Mayor Pete (who I'd prefer as a VP because of his age). I'm not sold on any of the other Democrats. I'll probably skip voting for president for the first time in my lifetime if it's say Warren vs Trump. But I'll still vote on the down ballot spots.

This is why Trump will win in a landslide....

Yep...the first sentence about working across the aisle literally made me laugh out loud.

(10-24-2019 07:24 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 07:13 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 06:49 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I had hopes he would try to work a bit across the aisle, and (foolishly) I had hopes he'd be moderate on some social issues. With those two thoughts long gone, I see no reason at all to want a 73-year-old tired sounding man in the White House another 5 years. We need younger leadership. I briefly thought Biden would be a good answer because he might be able to reunite this country a bit, but he's even older and more loony than Trump at this point.

I still would consider voting for a more moderate and younger Republican. My two favorite Democratic candidates are Yang (whose economic thoughts are intriguing but he's not presidential enough), and Mayor Pete (who I'd prefer as a VP because of his age). I'm not sold on any of the other Democrats. I'll probably skip voting for president for the first time in my lifetime if it's say Warren vs Trump. But I'll still vote on the down ballot spots.

This is why Trump will win in a landslide....

Yep...the first sentence about working across the aisle literally made me laugh out loud.

and some folk wonder why term limits are necessary moving forward while they're pandered with a bs bill after any election....

(10-24-2019 06:49 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I had hopes he would try to work a bit across the aisle, and (foolishly) I had hopes he'd be moderate on some social issues. With those two thoughts long gone, I see no reason at all to want a 73-year-old tired sounding man in the White House another 5 years. We need younger leadership. I briefly thought Biden would be a good answer because he might be able to reunite this country a bit, but he's even older and more loony than Trump at this point.

I still would consider voting for a more moderate and younger Republican. My two favorite Democratic candidates are Yang (whose economic thoughts are intriguing but he's not presidential enough), and Mayor Pete (who I'd prefer as a VP because of his age). I'm not sold on any of the other Democrats. I'll probably skip voting for president for the first time in my lifetime if it's say Warren vs Trump. But I'll still vote on the down ballot spots.

Every time he tried to reach across the aisle, Pelosi or Schumer would try to bite his hand off. They are just contemptuous of Trump and unable to overcome that. Trump is much more rational in that way as he is transactional. He'll do business with anyone if it gets him what he wants.

By moderate on social issues, I presume you mean far left. Because he is moderate on social issues. He's more to the left on gay issues than first term Obama. He doesn't talk about abortion. He does believe in separation of church and state and his positions are pretty consistent with Obama in his first term. It was only in his second term that Obama tried to dictate what was and wasn't an acceptable religious belief.

(10-24-2019 07:23 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 07:13 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 06:49 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I had hopes he would try to work a bit across the aisle, and (foolishly) I had hopes he'd be moderate on some social issues. With those two thoughts long gone, I see no reason at all to want a 73-year-old tired sounding man in the White House another 5 years. We need younger leadership. I briefly thought Biden would be a good answer because he might be able to reunite this country a bit, but he's even older and more loony than Trump at this point.

I still would consider voting for a more moderate and younger Republican. My two favorite Democratic candidates are Yang (whose economic thoughts are intriguing but he's not presidential enough), and Mayor Pete (who I'd prefer as a VP because of his age). I'm not sold on any of the other Democrats. I'll probably skip voting for president for the first time in my lifetime if it's say Warren vs Trump. But I'll still vote on the down ballot spots.

This is why Trump will win in a landslide....

I dunno. I'm 55, white and not in a swing state (yet at least). My vote won't decide the presidency. It's the minority, young vote, and swing state votes (upper midwest, Florida, maybe Arizona) that will decide things like usual. If they're not supporting Warren or Sanders or Biden, or whomever, then maybe you're right. But I haven't seen any signs yet that they won't vote for a Democratic president.

Does anyone agree with me that Trump sounds tired? Maybe I need to link some of his speeches from 3 or 4 years ago, and the current ones to prove my point.

I believe you explain more than you think you do. You really don’t like any of the democrat candidates. May not vote for the one the dem higher ups and MSM pick. I would guess you are probably to the left of most of the democrats out in fly over country. They won’t vote for any of them either. They are all laughable in the eye of an informed voter.

Now as for Trump being tired, note he is having more campaign rallies than any of the democrat candidates. His rallies are enthusiastic and the thousands there love him. They are a direct opposite of the downer dystopian affairs the democrats are having. He is in amazing shape for a man that is battling a democrat party bent on removing him by hook or crook. You probably don’t even remember that Flynn was going to bring him down within days of the inauguration. Sorry but the chances of him all of the sudden dying is even smaller than the democrat mob getting him to resign. He’s going to be there 5 more years. More than likely longer than Pelosi, Nadler and Schiff.

(10-24-2019 06:57 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 06:30 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-21-2019 08:52 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-21-2019 07:43 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(10-21-2019 06:22 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Why do they so hate Hillary? Trump hate pales in comparison.

Because she has absolutely no people skills, has terrible policies, blames others for her mistakes, has a raunchy personality, and is just basically a useless skank.


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that summed it up 'nicely'....

Except he left out the part where she's a criminal...

any word/phrase in single quotes implies one of two things....my take on the verbiage spin or sarcasm (or both)...

if only I had a dollar for everyone that told me, "you speak in tongues" with the response, "I'm forked."....

(10-24-2019 07:23 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 07:13 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 06:49 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I had hopes he would try to work a bit across the aisle, and (foolishly) I had hopes he'd be moderate on some social issues. With those two thoughts long gone, I see no reason at all to want a 73-year-old tired sounding man in the White House another 5 years. We need younger leadership. I briefly thought Biden would be a good answer because he might be able to reunite this country a bit, but he's even older and more loony than Trump at this point.

I still would consider voting for a more moderate and younger Republican. My two favorite Democratic candidates are Yang (whose economic thoughts are intriguing but he's not presidential enough), and Mayor Pete (who I'd prefer as a VP because of his age). I'm not sold on any of the other Democrats. I'll probably skip voting for president for the first time in my lifetime if it's say Warren vs Trump. But I'll still vote on the down ballot spots.

This is why Trump will win in a landslide....

I dunno. I'm 55, white and not in a swing state (yet at least). My vote won't decide the presidency. It's the minority, young vote, and swing state votes (upper midwest, Florida, maybe Arizona) that will decide things like usual. If they're not supporting Warren or Sanders or Biden, or whomever, then maybe you're right. But I haven't seen any signs yet that they won't vote for a Democratic president.

Does anyone agree with me that Trump sounds tired? Maybe I need to link some of his speeches from 3 or 4 years ago, and the current ones to prove my point.

I think it's the independents who will decide whether or not Trump wins with 400+ electoral votes. If they don't show up for him he may only get 360ish.

Also, who wouldn't be tired faced with the non-stop harassment and character assassinations he's endured? I don't see how its affected him adversely though.

The office is stressful enough under good circumstances and it ages its occupants significantly but I don't think he's suffered it any more than any other POTUS and based on appearance he seems to be holding up better than recent POTUSes.






But to be fair we'll wait until he's served out both his terms and compare pics of him from 2016 to those from 2024 and see how he changes.