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Illinois LGBT indoctrination to pre-schoolers
https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/18/6-c...schoolers/

How an Illinois school board has tried to force LGBT indoctrination on pre-schoolers while denying parents choice.

And "age appropriate?????"
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(10-21-2019 09:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/18/6-c...schoolers/

How an Illinois school board has tried to force LGBT indoctrination on pre-schoolers while denying parents choice.

And "age appropriate?????"

Terrifying. The left wants to mainstream mental illness into children.
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Anyone want to buy my house in IL?
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That article is a gigantic sack of **** and here’s why:

The author is clearly uneducated on the topic and extremely slanted, the kind of garbage journalism one has come to expect from The Federalist. In the very first paragraph, she lays out her bias that being LGBT is all about sex and that people who are in LGBT relationships are to be considered less-than when compared to “sexually faithful biological parents.”

She then goes on to try to rationalize how teaching students that same sex couples exist and that’s okay is akin to teaching them sexual positions by saying things like “sexual attraction is not the same as love.” People who oversexualize those in LGBT relationships usually have some personal issues within themselves that they need to work out, and if the author is currently in a marriage where sexual attraction and love are two different things, I feel very sorry for her. She then goes on the ramble about how it should be considered Sex Ed even though the material doesn’t mention intercourse at all, again trying to draw the distinction that gay people are sexually deviant.

Oversexualizing LGBT relationships, lumping pedophiles in with the LGBT, and the slippery-slope to beastiality argument have been common scare tactics from the far right for the last century. The reality is that most gay couples have the same aspirations as straight couples of finding love, starting a family, and building a life together.
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RE: Illinois LGBT indoctrination to pre-schoolers
how dare a school teach kids that they're going to meet gay and transgendered people over the course of their life...
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(10-21-2019 10:28 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  That article is a gigantic sack of **** and here’s why:

The author is clearly uneducated on the topic and extremely slanted, the kind of garbage journalism one has come to expect from The Federalist. In the very first paragraph, she lays out her bias that being LGBT is all about sex and that people who are in LGBT relationships are to be considered less-than when compared to “sexually faithful biological parents.”

She then goes on to try to rationalize how teaching students that same sex couples exist and that’s okay is akin to teaching them sexual positions by saying things like “sexual attraction is not the same as love.” People who oversexualize those in LGBT relationships usually have some personal issues within themselves that they need to work out, and if the author is currently in a marriage where sexual attraction and love are two different things, I feel very sorry for her. She then goes on the ramble about how it should be considered Sex Ed even though the material doesn’t mention intercourse at all, again trying to draw the distinction that gay people are sexually deviant.

Oversexualizing LGBT relationships, lumping pedophiles in with the LGBT, and the slippery-slope to beastiality argument have been common scare tactics from the far right for the last century. The reality is that most gay couples have the same aspirations as straight couples of finding love, starting a family, and building a life together.

No, it isn't nearly that complicated. It's simply projecting mental illness onto 3-5 year olds.
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(10-21-2019 10:34 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  how dare a school teach kids that they're going to meet gay and transgendered people over the course of their life...

I'm 40 years old and have never met a transgendered person over the course of my life. Pretty sure my 4 year old daughter will be just fine waiting on this "education".
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(10-21-2019 10:28 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  That article is a gigantic sack of **** and here’s why:

The author is clearly uneducated on the topic and extremely slanted, the kind of garbage journalism one has come to expect from The Federalist. In the very first paragraph, she lays out her bias that being LGBT is all about sex and that people who are in LGBT relationships are to be considered less-than when compared to “sexually faithful biological parents.”

She then goes on to try to rationalize how teaching students that same sex couples exist and that’s okay is akin to teaching them sexual positions by saying things like “sexual attraction is not the same as love.” People who oversexualize those in LGBT relationships usually have some personal issues within themselves that they need to work out, and if the author is currently in a marriage where sexual attraction and love are two different things, I feel very sorry for her. She then goes on the ramble about how it should be considered Sex Ed even though the material doesn’t mention intercourse at all, again trying to draw the distinction that gay people are sexually deviant.

Oversexualizing LGBT relationships, lumping pedophiles in with the LGBT, and the slippery-slope to beastiality argument have been common scare tactics from the far right for the last century. The reality is that most gay couples have the same aspirations as straight couples of finding love, starting a family, and building a life together.

No, it isn't nearly that complicated. It's simply projecting mental illness onto 3-5 year olds.

Rather succinct explanation. In a little more wordy way:

Discussing this with pre-schoolers is 100% not age appropriate. Hiding the timing of the class from the parents is 100% not appropriate. Forcing pre-schoolers to take it against their parent's wishes is 100% not appropriate. And yes, all this stuff is ultimately about sex which the children at that age don't understand.

The Federalist is always very logical. Some people just don't like the opinions and so attack the messenger. That's what people do when they can't justify their argument with logic.
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Here's the bigger question:

Why do schools think it is their duty to socialize children to these issues rather than sticking strictly to "the 3 R's"?

U.S. public schools having been failing to competently educate generations of children. Rather than correcting their failures they believe they should educate children on social issues rather than leaving that to the parents.
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(10-21-2019 11:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 10:35 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 10:28 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  That article is a gigantic sack of **** and here’s why:

The author is clearly uneducated on the topic and extremely slanted, the kind of garbage journalism one has come to expect from The Federalist. In the very first paragraph, she lays out her bias that being LGBT is all about sex and that people who are in LGBT relationships are to be considered less-than when compared to “sexually faithful biological parents.”

She then goes on to try to rationalize how teaching students that same sex couples exist and that’s okay is akin to teaching them sexual positions by saying things like “sexual attraction is not the same as love.” People who oversexualize those in LGBT relationships usually have some personal issues within themselves that they need to work out, and if the author is currently in a marriage where sexual attraction and love are two different things, I feel very sorry for her. She then goes on the ramble about how it should be considered Sex Ed even though the material doesn’t mention intercourse at all, again trying to draw the distinction that gay people are sexually deviant.

Oversexualizing LGBT relationships, lumping pedophiles in with the LGBT, and the slippery-slope to beastiality argument have been common scare tactics from the far right for the last century. The reality is that most gay couples have the same aspirations as straight couples of finding love, starting a family, and building a life together.

No, it isn't nearly that complicated. It's simply projecting mental illness onto 3-5 year olds.

Rather succinct explanation. In a little more wordy way:

Discussing this with pre-schoolers is 100% not age appropriate. Hiding the timing of the class from the parents is 100% not appropriate. Forcing pre-schoolers to take it against their parent's wishes is 100% not appropriate. And yes, all this stuff is ultimately about sex which the children at that age don't understand.

The Federalist is always very logical. Some people just don't like the opinions and so attack the messenger. That's what people do when they can't justify their argument with logic.

Bullet, it's all about cramming the kids brains with the social agenda of the world before parents in the nuclear family teach them their values, assuming the parents have any values or not.

IMO, there is no clearer indication of the recruitment to a life style than the pre-conditioning of non sexualized children to receptivity of a lifestyle that many Americans still hold to be unacceptable or immoral. The LGBTQ issue has never been about equal rights. It's always been about access to your children. They have equal rights, the right to same sex marriage, and the other things they claimed made them less than equal. Now they want your children to first think they are normal, and second to be receptive to their message. And the manipulation here is that if you try to prevent it then you are the hater, the oppressor, and the one who is immoral.

There is no way in hell that any kids under the age of 10 need to be learning a thing about sex. Before kids reach puberty the only thing they need to know is to tell somebody they trust when someone tries to touch them inappropriately or when a stranger offers them candy, etc.

Once puberty kicks in and they become aware of their sexuality then biology class can teach them about reproduction, and disease. But even then they don't need anyone telling them what to experiment with or telling them if they don't try the other side that they are homophobic, all of which are current manipulations.

If kids are going to turn out to be gay or lesbian they will know it soon enough and school guidance counselors and parental involvement can take it from there. But we aren't even talking about 1 in 10 children which is why this is really all about recruitment and the recruitment isn't for LGBTQ rights, or even sex. It's about enhancing political power.

So this crap is way off the field of play, let alone way off base.

How did this happen?
The schools started teaching our kids all of the bad things this country had done rather than the good things, or even both the good and bad.
Parents did nothing.
The schools then started teaching the kids that whites were bad and focused on the positive contributions of minorities while focusing on the past sins of some whites.
Parents did nothing.
Then the schools claimed the right to question your children about their discipline at home and involving Family and Children's services when the school did not approve of home discipline.
Parents did nothing.
Then the schools started pushing the LGBTQ agenda at the High School science level.
Parents did nothing.
Then Heather Has Two Mommies appeared on Elementary school reading lists.
Parents did nothing.
Now they want to precondition your preschoolers to sexual orientations they are not even thinking about.
Just what the hell does it take to wake people up as to the godless, amoral, political agenda of Public Education? We are long past the point of telling these people where to get off!

The sad part is that it isn't really even about the LGBTQ community, or whites, or minorities. These are all core value issues and identity issues and the attack upon them is aimed precisely at overturning capitalism, the religious nature of the core values of the country, and to accomplish it by the preconditioning of our children by socialist adversaries utilizing public education against us. And any defense of our core values becomes a damned hate crime. Hello Gulliver the Communist Liliputians have tied you down with all manner of bureaucratic resolutions and now control your children.
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(10-21-2019 11:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 10:35 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 10:28 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  That article is a gigantic sack of **** and here’s why:

The author is clearly uneducated on the topic and extremely slanted, the kind of garbage journalism one has come to expect from The Federalist. In the very first paragraph, she lays out her bias that being LGBT is all about sex and that people who are in LGBT relationships are to be considered less-than when compared to “sexually faithful biological parents.”

She then goes on to try to rationalize how teaching students that same sex couples exist and that’s okay is akin to teaching them sexual positions by saying things like “sexual attraction is not the same as love.” People who oversexualize those in LGBT relationships usually have some personal issues within themselves that they need to work out, and if the author is currently in a marriage where sexual attraction and love are two different things, I feel very sorry for her. She then goes on the ramble about how it should be considered Sex Ed even though the material doesn’t mention intercourse at all, again trying to draw the distinction that gay people are sexually deviant.

Oversexualizing LGBT relationships, lumping pedophiles in with the LGBT, and the slippery-slope to beastiality argument have been common scare tactics from the far right for the last century. The reality is that most gay couples have the same aspirations as straight couples of finding love, starting a family, and building a life together.

No, it isn't nearly that complicated. It's simply projecting mental illness onto 3-5 year olds.

Rather succinct explanation. In a little more wordy way:

Discussing this with pre-schoolers is 100% not age appropriate. Hiding the timing of the class from the parents is 100% not appropriate. Forcing pre-schoolers to take it against their parent's wishes is 100% not appropriate. And yes, all this stuff is ultimately about sex which the children at that age don't understand.

The Federalist is always very logical. Some people just don't like the opinions and so attack the messenger. That's what people do when they can't justify their argument with logic.

Okay then let’s talk about logic. The author in the article even says herself that same-sex couples and opposite-sex couples are exactly the same except for how they engage in sex. If you can explain to a child why a man and a woman are together without explaining vaginal sex to them, then you can explain why some men marry men and some women marry women without bringing up sex too. It’s literally that simple.

By the logic in the article, minor boys and girls under the age of 18 shouldn’t be allowed to date or form relationships with people their age since all romantic relationships are strictly sexual and they are under the age of consent. It’s a logical fallacy. This whole article is just homophobic gaslighting and it’s very obvious from the first paragraph.
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(10-21-2019 01:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 11:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 10:35 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 10:28 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  That article is a gigantic sack of **** and here’s why:

The author is clearly uneducated on the topic and extremely slanted, the kind of garbage journalism one has come to expect from The Federalist. In the very first paragraph, she lays out her bias that being LGBT is all about sex and that people who are in LGBT relationships are to be considered less-than when compared to “sexually faithful biological parents.”

She then goes on to try to rationalize how teaching students that same sex couples exist and that’s okay is akin to teaching them sexual positions by saying things like “sexual attraction is not the same as love.” People who oversexualize those in LGBT relationships usually have some personal issues within themselves that they need to work out, and if the author is currently in a marriage where sexual attraction and love are two different things, I feel very sorry for her. She then goes on the ramble about how it should be considered Sex Ed even though the material doesn’t mention intercourse at all, again trying to draw the distinction that gay people are sexually deviant.

Oversexualizing LGBT relationships, lumping pedophiles in with the LGBT, and the slippery-slope to beastiality argument have been common scare tactics from the far right for the last century. The reality is that most gay couples have the same aspirations as straight couples of finding love, starting a family, and building a life together.

No, it isn't nearly that complicated. It's simply projecting mental illness onto 3-5 year olds.

Rather succinct explanation. In a little more wordy way:

Discussing this with pre-schoolers is 100% not age appropriate. Hiding the timing of the class from the parents is 100% not appropriate. Forcing pre-schoolers to take it against their parent's wishes is 100% not appropriate. And yes, all this stuff is ultimately about sex which the children at that age don't understand.

The Federalist is always very logical. Some people just don't like the opinions and so attack the messenger. That's what people do when they can't justify their argument with logic.

Bullet, it's all about cramming the kids brains with the social agenda of the world before parents in the nuclear family teach them their values, assuming the parents have any values or not.

IMO, there is no clearer indication of the recruitment to a life style than the pre-conditioning of non sexualized children to receptivity of a lifestyle that many Americans still hold to be unacceptable or immoral. The LGBTQ issue has never been about equal rights. It's always been about access to your children. They have equal rights, the right to same sex marriage, and the other things they claimed made them less than equal. Now they want your children to first think they are normal, and second to be receptive to their message. And the manipulation here is that if you try to prevent it then you are the hater, the oppressor, and the one who is immoral.

There is no way in hell that any kids under the age of 10 need to be learning a thing about sex. Before kids reach puberty the only thing they need to know is to tell somebody they trust when someone tries to touch them inappropriately or when a stranger offers them candy, etc.

Once puberty kicks in and they become aware of their sexuality then biology class can teach them about reproduction, and disease. But even then they don't need anyone telling them what to experiment with or telling them if they don't try the other side that they are homophobic, all of which are current manipulations.

If kids are going to turn out to be gay or lesbian they will know it soon enough and school guidance counselors and parental involvement can take it from there. But we aren't even talking about 1 in 10 children which is why this is really all about recruitment and the recruitment isn't for LGBTQ rights, or even sex. It's about enhancing political power.

So this crap is way off the field of play, let alone way off base.

How did this happen?
The church removed itself from education.
The schools started teaching our kids all of the bad things this country had done rather than the good things, or even both the good and bad.
Parents did nothing.
The schools then started teaching the kids that whites were bad and focused on the positive contributions of minorities while focusing on the past sins of some whites.
Parents did nothing.
Then the schools claimed the right to question your children about their discipline at home and involving Family and Children's services when the school did not approve of home discipline.
Parents did nothing.
Then the schools started pushing the LGBTQ agenda at the High School science level.
Parents did nothing.
Then Heather Has Two Mommies appeared on Elementary school reading lists.
Parents did nothing.
Now they want to precondition your preschoolers to sexual orientations they are not even thinking about.
Just what the hell does it take to wake people up as to the godless, amoral, political agenda of Public Education? We are long past the point of telling these people where to get off!

The sad part is that it isn't really even about the LGBTQ community, or whites, or minorities. These are all core value issues and identity issues and the attack upon them is aimed precisely at overturning capitalism, the religious nature of the core values of the country, and to accomplish it by the preconditioning of our children by socialist adversaries utilizing public education against us. And any defense of our core values becomes a damned hate crime. Hello Gulliver the Communist Liliputians have tied you down with all manner of bureaucratic resolutions and now control your children.

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(10-21-2019 02:23 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 11:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 10:35 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 10:28 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  That article is a gigantic sack of **** and here’s why:

The author is clearly uneducated on the topic and extremely slanted, the kind of garbage journalism one has come to expect from The Federalist. In the very first paragraph, she lays out her bias that being LGBT is all about sex and that people who are in LGBT relationships are to be considered less-than when compared to “sexually faithful biological parents.”

She then goes on to try to rationalize how teaching students that same sex couples exist and that’s okay is akin to teaching them sexual positions by saying things like “sexual attraction is not the same as love.” People who oversexualize those in LGBT relationships usually have some personal issues within themselves that they need to work out, and if the author is currently in a marriage where sexual attraction and love are two different things, I feel very sorry for her. She then goes on the ramble about how it should be considered Sex Ed even though the material doesn’t mention intercourse at all, again trying to draw the distinction that gay people are sexually deviant.

Oversexualizing LGBT relationships, lumping pedophiles in with the LGBT, and the slippery-slope to beastiality argument have been common scare tactics from the far right for the last century. The reality is that most gay couples have the same aspirations as straight couples of finding love, starting a family, and building a life together.

No, it isn't nearly that complicated. It's simply projecting mental illness onto 3-5 year olds.

Rather succinct explanation. In a little more wordy way:

Discussing this with pre-schoolers is 100% not age appropriate. Hiding the timing of the class from the parents is 100% not appropriate. Forcing pre-schoolers to take it against their parent's wishes is 100% not appropriate. And yes, all this stuff is ultimately about sex which the children at that age don't understand.

The Federalist is always very logical. Some people just don't like the opinions and so attack the messenger. That's what people do when they can't justify their argument with logic.

Okay then let’s talk about logic. The author in the article even says herself that same-sex couples and opposite-sex couples are exactly the same except for how they engage in sex. If you can explain to a child why a man and a woman are together without explaining vaginal sex to them, then you can explain why some men marry men and some women marry women without bringing up sex too. It’s literally that simple.

By the logic in the article, minor boys and girls under the age of 18 shouldn’t be allowed to date or form relationships with people their age since all romantic relationships are strictly sexual and they are under the age of consent. It’s a logical fallacy. This whole article is just homophobic gaslighting and it’s very obvious from the first paragraph.

The bolded statement is not true.
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(10-21-2019 02:29 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 02:23 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 11:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 10:35 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 10:28 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  That article is a gigantic sack of **** and here’s why:

The author is clearly uneducated on the topic and extremely slanted, the kind of garbage journalism one has come to expect from The Federalist. In the very first paragraph, she lays out her bias that being LGBT is all about sex and that people who are in LGBT relationships are to be considered less-than when compared to “sexually faithful biological parents.”

She then goes on to try to rationalize how teaching students that same sex couples exist and that’s okay is akin to teaching them sexual positions by saying things like “sexual attraction is not the same as love.” People who oversexualize those in LGBT relationships usually have some personal issues within themselves that they need to work out, and if the author is currently in a marriage where sexual attraction and love are two different things, I feel very sorry for her. She then goes on the ramble about how it should be considered Sex Ed even though the material doesn’t mention intercourse at all, again trying to draw the distinction that gay people are sexually deviant.

Oversexualizing LGBT relationships, lumping pedophiles in with the LGBT, and the slippery-slope to beastiality argument have been common scare tactics from the far right for the last century. The reality is that most gay couples have the same aspirations as straight couples of finding love, starting a family, and building a life together.

No, it isn't nearly that complicated. It's simply projecting mental illness onto 3-5 year olds.

Rather succinct explanation. In a little more wordy way:

Discussing this with pre-schoolers is 100% not age appropriate. Hiding the timing of the class from the parents is 100% not appropriate. Forcing pre-schoolers to take it against their parent's wishes is 100% not appropriate. And yes, all this stuff is ultimately about sex which the children at that age don't understand.

The Federalist is always very logical. Some people just don't like the opinions and so attack the messenger. That's what people do when they can't justify their argument with logic.

Okay then let’s talk about logic. The author in the article even says herself that same-sex couples and opposite-sex couples are exactly the same except for how they engage in sex. If you can explain to a child why a man and a woman are together without explaining vaginal sex to them, then you can explain why some men marry men and some women marry women without bringing up sex too. It’s literally that simple.

By the logic in the article, minor boys and girls under the age of 18 shouldn’t be allowed to date or form relationships with people their age since all romantic relationships are strictly sexual and they are under the age of consent. It’s a logical fallacy. This whole article is just homophobic gaslighting and it’s very obvious from the first paragraph.

The bolded statement is not true.

"It’s no matter to them that the only difference between a gay person and a straight person is the kind of sex each engages in, and thus any LGBT instruction obviously falls into sex ed. The defining element of being LGBT is one’s preferred sexual behavior, and absolutely nothing else. Thus any LGBT instruction is necessarily sex ed."
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(10-21-2019 02:26 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 01:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 11:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 10:35 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 10:28 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  That article is a gigantic sack of **** and here’s why:

The author is clearly uneducated on the topic and extremely slanted, the kind of garbage journalism one has come to expect from The Federalist. In the very first paragraph, she lays out her bias that being LGBT is all about sex and that people who are in LGBT relationships are to be considered less-than when compared to “sexually faithful biological parents.”

She then goes on to try to rationalize how teaching students that same sex couples exist and that’s okay is akin to teaching them sexual positions by saying things like “sexual attraction is not the same as love.” People who oversexualize those in LGBT relationships usually have some personal issues within themselves that they need to work out, and if the author is currently in a marriage where sexual attraction and love are two different things, I feel very sorry for her. She then goes on the ramble about how it should be considered Sex Ed even though the material doesn’t mention intercourse at all, again trying to draw the distinction that gay people are sexually deviant.

Oversexualizing LGBT relationships, lumping pedophiles in with the LGBT, and the slippery-slope to beastiality argument have been common scare tactics from the far right for the last century. The reality is that most gay couples have the same aspirations as straight couples of finding love, starting a family, and building a life together.

No, it isn't nearly that complicated. It's simply projecting mental illness onto 3-5 year olds.

Rather succinct explanation. In a little more wordy way:

Discussing this with pre-schoolers is 100% not age appropriate. Hiding the timing of the class from the parents is 100% not appropriate. Forcing pre-schoolers to take it against their parent's wishes is 100% not appropriate. And yes, all this stuff is ultimately about sex which the children at that age don't understand.

The Federalist is always very logical. Some people just don't like the opinions and so attack the messenger. That's what people do when they can't justify their argument with logic.

Bullet, it's all about cramming the kids brains with the social agenda of the world before parents in the nuclear family teach them their values, assuming the parents have any values or not.

IMO, there is no clearer indication of the recruitment to a life style than the pre-conditioning of non sexualized children to receptivity of a lifestyle that many Americans still hold to be unacceptable or immoral. The LGBTQ issue has never been about equal rights. It's always been about access to your children. They have equal rights, the right to same sex marriage, and the other things they claimed made them less than equal. Now they want your children to first think they are normal, and second to be receptive to their message. And the manipulation here is that if you try to prevent it then you are the hater, the oppressor, and the one who is immoral.

There is no way in hell that any kids under the age of 10 need to be learning a thing about sex. Before kids reach puberty the only thing they need to know is to tell somebody they trust when someone tries to touch them inappropriately or when a stranger offers them candy, etc.

Once puberty kicks in and they become aware of their sexuality then biology class can teach them about reproduction, and disease. But even then they don't need anyone telling them what to experiment with or telling them if they don't try the other side that they are homophobic, all of which are current manipulations.

If kids are going to turn out to be gay or lesbian they will know it soon enough and school guidance counselors and parental involvement can take it from there. But we aren't even talking about 1 in 10 children which is why this is really all about recruitment and the recruitment isn't for LGBTQ rights, or even sex. It's about enhancing political power.

So this crap is way off the field of play, let alone way off base.

How did this happen?
The church removed itself from education.
The schools started teaching our kids all of the bad things this country had done rather than the good things, or even both the good and bad.
Parents did nothing.
The schools then started teaching the kids that whites were bad and focused on the positive contributions of minorities while focusing on the past sins of some whites.
Parents did nothing.
Then the schools claimed the right to question your children about their discipline at home and involving Family and Children's services when the school did not approve of home discipline.
Parents did nothing.
Then the schools started pushing the LGBTQ agenda at the High School science level.
Parents did nothing.
Then Heather Has Two Mommies appeared on Elementary school reading lists.
Parents did nothing.
Now they want to precondition your preschoolers to sexual orientations they are not even thinking about.
Just what the hell does it take to wake people up as to the godless, amoral, political agenda of Public Education? We are long past the point of telling these people where to get off!

The sad part is that it isn't really even about the LGBTQ community, or whites, or minorities. These are all core value issues and identity issues and the attack upon them is aimed precisely at overturning capitalism, the religious nature of the core values of the country, and to accomplish it by the preconditioning of our children by socialist adversaries utilizing public education against us. And any defense of our core values becomes a damned hate crime. Hello Gulliver the Communist Liliputians have tied you down with all manner of bureaucratic resolutions and now control your children.

I added 1 item to your list.

Actually LBJ eliminated the Church from education in the mid 50's when tax codes permitting churches to remain tax exempt were altered to state that any church espousing a political agenda from the pulpit could lose its tax exempt status. At that point all mainline denominations refrained from entering the political realm which in the 60's was extended to public education.

Many churches have remained active in education by sponsoring private religious schools.

Now, that said I agree with the gist of what you are saying here. H.W. Bush's 1000 points of Light sought to use churches to distribute social programs paid for by the government. Those who utilized the funds were among the first to lose their voice on LGBTQ issues. When those issues were politicized LBJ's tax exempt status reared its head again as churches were now not allowed to express a traditional Biblical view without risking tax exempt status.

Many on this board may wonder why I think churches should pay taxes. Reason #1 is that if we did pay taxes the voice of the church could rail against many of the current politicized issues which are directly aimed at the core value of families and the nation and the church would once again have a much larger say than we do under the neutering that LBJ gave all us when he was in Congress. Reason #2 is if minimums of expenditures directly into ministry to the widows, orphans, poor and sick were established many denominational churches would do a much more faithful job of actually tending to those requirements left to us by Christ.

So yes too many churches have bowed out, but in most cases it is fear of losing tax exempt status that urged them to do so. After all you cannot serve both God and mammon.
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(10-21-2019 02:39 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 02:29 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 02:23 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 11:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 10:35 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  No, it isn't nearly that complicated. It's simply projecting mental illness onto 3-5 year olds.

Rather succinct explanation. In a little more wordy way:

Discussing this with pre-schoolers is 100% not age appropriate. Hiding the timing of the class from the parents is 100% not appropriate. Forcing pre-schoolers to take it against their parent's wishes is 100% not appropriate. And yes, all this stuff is ultimately about sex which the children at that age don't understand.

The Federalist is always very logical. Some people just don't like the opinions and so attack the messenger. That's what people do when they can't justify their argument with logic.

Okay then let’s talk about logic. The author in the article even says herself that same-sex couples and opposite-sex couples are exactly the same except for how they engage in sex. If you can explain to a child why a man and a woman are together without explaining vaginal sex to them, then you can explain why some men marry men and some women marry women without bringing up sex too. It’s literally that simple.

By the logic in the article, minor boys and girls under the age of 18 shouldn’t be allowed to date or form relationships with people their age since all romantic relationships are strictly sexual and they are under the age of consent. It’s a logical fallacy. This whole article is just homophobic gaslighting and it’s very obvious from the first paragraph.

The bolded statement is not true.

So you disagree with the author?

The author says parents are uncomfortable that their children are taught that.
The author later says that is the only difference between gay and straight individuals. There is a difference between a relationship and an individual. So the author is not saying what you claim.

You call it "gaslighting."

How do you respond to the points?
1) It is not age appropriate
2) Sex education is still sex education (the point about the difference between gay and straight)
3) The belief that religion has nothing to say (a little separate from the other points)
4) Parents were kept in the dark
5) Differences of opinion make people unsafe
6) No opt outs for the parents.
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RE: Illinois LGBT indoctrination to pre-schoolers
(10-21-2019 02:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 02:39 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 02:29 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 02:23 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 11:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  Rather succinct explanation. In a little more wordy way:

Discussing this with pre-schoolers is 100% not age appropriate. Hiding the timing of the class from the parents is 100% not appropriate. Forcing pre-schoolers to take it against their parent's wishes is 100% not appropriate. And yes, all this stuff is ultimately about sex which the children at that age don't understand.

The Federalist is always very logical. Some people just don't like the opinions and so attack the messenger. That's what people do when they can't justify their argument with logic.

Okay then let’s talk about logic. The author in the article even says herself that same-sex couples and opposite-sex couples are exactly the same except for how they engage in sex. If you can explain to a child why a man and a woman are together without explaining vaginal sex to them, then you can explain why some men marry men and some women marry women without bringing up sex too. It’s literally that simple.

By the logic in the article, minor boys and girls under the age of 18 shouldn’t be allowed to date or form relationships with people their age since all romantic relationships are strictly sexual and they are under the age of consent. It’s a logical fallacy. This whole article is just homophobic gaslighting and it’s very obvious from the first paragraph.

The bolded statement is not true.

So you disagree with the author?

The author says parents are uncomfortable that their children are taught that.
The author later says that is the only difference between gay and straight individuals. There is a difference between a relationship and an individual. So the author is not saying what you claim.

You call it "gaslighting."

How do you respond to the points?
1) It is not age appropriate
2) Sex education is still sex education (the point about the difference between gay and straight)
3) The belief that religion has nothing to say (a little separate from the other points)
4) Parents were kept in the dark
5) Differences of opinion make people unsafe
6) No opt outs for the parents.

Addressing Drew's comment, yes I disagree with the author. By definition, "same-sex couple" and "opposite-sex couple" and not equivalent. To say they are "exactly the same except for how they engage in sex" ignores quite a few things.

First, there's the obvious physical differences. Neither man-man nor woman-woman are the same as man-woman. As far as that goes, man-man is not even the same as woman-woman.

As we dig deeper we understand that men and women are different. We process thoughts differently. We have different roles in spousal relationships as well as family parent-child relationships.

Basing a two-person relationship primarily on the sex act is quite short-sighted.
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The school board really messed up in not telling the parents first. I know that anytime my kid's school does anything that some may deem controversial the school ALWAYS informs the parents and gives the "opt out option". This is common sense and promotes healthy dialogue between the school and community. The mere fact t his school board did not infom parents tells me school board was merely trying to hide the fact and hoping to avoid having to explain itself. So, yet again, libs that think they know better than everyone else have to deal with yet another bommerrang brought about by their own arrogance. They'll never learn.
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(10-21-2019 10:34 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  how dare a school teach kids that they're going to meet gay and transgendered people over the course of their life...

Wondering if you're really serious about this.

Why would someone's sexual orientation or gender identity be at issue for a pre-schooler?
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RE: Illinois LGBT indoctrination to pre-schoolers
(10-21-2019 02:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 02:39 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 02:29 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 02:23 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 11:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  Rather succinct explanation. In a little more wordy way:

Discussing this with pre-schoolers is 100% not age appropriate. Hiding the timing of the class from the parents is 100% not appropriate. Forcing pre-schoolers to take it against their parent's wishes is 100% not appropriate. And yes, all this stuff is ultimately about sex which the children at that age don't understand.

The Federalist is always very logical. Some people just don't like the opinions and so attack the messenger. That's what people do when they can't justify their argument with logic.

Okay then let’s talk about logic. The author in the article even says herself that same-sex couples and opposite-sex couples are exactly the same except for how they engage in sex. If you can explain to a child why a man and a woman are together without explaining vaginal sex to them, then you can explain why some men marry men and some women marry women without bringing up sex too. It’s literally that simple.

By the logic in the article, minor boys and girls under the age of 18 shouldn’t be allowed to date or form relationships with people their age since all romantic relationships are strictly sexual and they are under the age of consent. It’s a logical fallacy. This whole article is just homophobic gaslighting and it’s very obvious from the first paragraph.

The bolded statement is not true.

So you disagree with the author?

The author says parents are uncomfortable that their children are taught that.
The author later says that is the only difference between gay and straight individuals. There is a difference between a relationship and an individual. So the author is not saying what you claim.

You call it "gaslighting."

How do you respond to the points?
1) It is not age appropriate
2) Sex education is still sex education (the point about the difference between gay and straight)
3) The belief that religion has nothing to say (a little separate from the other points)
4) Parents were kept in the dark
5) Differences of opinion make people unsafe
6) No opt outs for the parents.

Everything you say is spot-on.

And again, why does the school assume it is their responsibility to supersede parents?

Of course, I know the answer to that question. John Dewey, signatory of The Humanist Manifesto I, spelled it our precisely in his essay My Pedagogic Creed published January 1897.

From ARTICLE TWO. WHAT THE SCHOOL IS
Quote:I believe that much of present education fails because it neglects this fundamental principle of the school as a form of community life. It conceives the school as a place where certain information is to be given, where certain lessons are to be learned, or where certain habits are to be formed. The value of these is conceived as lying largely in the remote future; the child must do these things for the sake of something else he is to do; they are mere preparation. As a result they do not become a part of the life experience of the child and so are not truly educative.

I believe that moral education centres about this conception of the school as a mode of social life, that the best and deepest moral training is precisely that which one gets through having to enter into proper relations with others in a unity of work and thought. The present educational systems, so far as they destroy or neglect this unity, render it difficult or impossible to get any genuine, regular moral training.

From ARTICLE THREE. THE SUBJECT-MATTER OF EDUCATION
Quote:I believe that we violate the child's nature and render difficult the best ethical results, by introducing the child too abruptly to a number of special studies, of reading, writing, geography, etc., out of relation to this social life.

I believe, therefore, that the true centre of correlation of the school subjects is not science, nor literature, nor history, nor geography, but the child's own social activities.

From ARTICLE FIVE. THE SCHOOL AND SOCIAL PROGRESS
Quote:I believe that education is the fundamental method of social progress and reform.

Quote: I believe that every teacher should realize the dignity of his calling; that he is a social servant set apart for the maintenance of proper social order and the securing of the right social growth.

I believe that in this way the teacher always is the prophet of the true God and the usherer in of the true kingdom of God.
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