(10-23-2019 03:06 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  My point was, we don't have to add a team in basketball simply to get back to 12. We can operate with 11 forever.

Not to mention, there are rumors that VCU, maybe our best bet, isn't interested.

It's true that the AAC could operate with 11 teams "forever," but would it be best for the conference?

Go back, mentally, to the time when there were 11 BB teams, including UConn. Now, if you knew that Wichita State was a possible addition to the AAC, would you have been against it?

Probably not. It was a no-brainer.


I think we're in a similar position now, because there are several schools with multiple visits to the NCAA in recent years that might be interested in membership.

But, if the Wichita State analogy doesn't seem persuasive, there is another factor to consider: ESPN.

ESPN can't force its will on the conference, but they do have a lot of persuasive power, and they are about to lose a pretty big media market (UConn's) to FoxSports. So they will lose several million dollars per year. Yes, they could handle that, but they sure won't want to.

Basically, it's in ESPN's interest to replace UConn, but instead of adding a school with one good sports program, they would prefer to add a member good in both sports, or two schools so that together, those FB and MBB programs will generate more net income for them than UConn did.

There's a third reason why 12 would be better than 11: Only one of the P5 conferences (Big 12) has fewer than 12 teams, and their media payments are lower than the P5 average, as a result (smaller overall market).

In the long run, the larger the AAC market footprint is, the more likely that the AAC will catch up with the P5, financially, if we have 12 teams.
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If VCU turns out not to be interested, would you feel the same way?

What makes you think ESPN will lose "millions of dollars a year" when UConn leaves. The great majority of the TV contract (75-80%) is for football.

Adding teams only works if they are worth $7M a year (or approx. $5M FB and $2M BB). Kindly provide a list of current candidates that meet that criteria.

(10-23-2019 11:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 03:06 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  My point was, we don't have to add a team in basketball simply to get back to 12. We can operate with 11 forever.

Not to mention, there are rumors that VCU, maybe our best bet, isn't interested.

It's true that the AAC could operate with 11 teams "forever," but would it be best for the conference?

Go back, mentally, to the time when there were 11 BB teams, including UConn. Now, if you knew that Wichita State was a possible addition to the AAC, would you have been against it?

Probably not. It was a no-brainer.


I think we're in a similar position now, because there are several schools with multiple visits to the NCAA in recent years that might be interested in membership.

But, if the Wichita State analogy doesn't seem persuasive, there is another factor to consider: ESPN.

ESPN can't force its will on the conference, but they do have a lot of persuasive power, and they are about to lose a pretty big media market (UConn's) to FoxSports. So they will lose several million dollars per year. Yes, they could handle that, but they sure won't want to.

Basically, it's in ESPN's interest to replace UConn, but instead of adding a school with one good sports program, they would prefer to add a member good in both sports, or two schools so that together, those FB and MBB programs will generate more net income for them than UConn did.

There's a third reason why 12 would be better than 11: Only one of the P5 conferences (Big 12) has fewer than 12 teams, and their media payments are lower than the P5 average, as a result (smaller overall market).

In the long run, the larger the AAC market footprint is, the more likely that the AAC will catch up with the P5, financially, if we have 12 teams.

NM

(10-24-2019 05:53 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 11:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 03:06 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  My point was, we don't have to add a team in basketball simply to get back to 12. We can operate with 11 forever.

Not to mention, there are rumors that VCU, maybe our best bet, isn't interested.

It's true that the AAC could operate with 11 teams "forever," but would it be best for the conference?

Go back, mentally, to the time when there were 11 BB teams, including UConn. Now, if you knew that Wichita State was a possible addition to the AAC, would you have been against it?

Probably not. It was a no-brainer.


I think we're in a similar position now, because there are several schools with multiple visits to the NCAA in recent years that might be interested in membership.

But, if the Wichita State analogy doesn't seem persuasive, there is another factor to consider: ESPN.

ESPN can't force its will on the conference, but they do have a lot of persuasive power, and they are about to lose a pretty big media market (UConn's) to FoxSports. So they will lose several million dollars per year. Yes, they could handle that, but they sure won't want to.

Basically, it's in ESPN's interest to replace UConn, but instead of adding a school with one good sports program, they would prefer to add a member good in both sports, or two schools so that together, those FB and MBB programs will generate more net income for them than UConn did.

There's a third reason why 12 would be better than 11: Only one of the P5 conferences (Big 12) has fewer than 12 teams, and their media payments are lower than the P5 average, as a result (smaller overall market).

In the long run, the larger the AAC market footprint is, the more likely that the AAC will catch up with the P5, financially, if we have 12 teams.

NM

Those cited quotes are wrongly attributed.

VCU is a strong school and has an endowment all of our schools would love to have. If the American can grab a football-only scheduling relationship/alliance with BYU or Army or a combination of Army and BYU, I would love to have VCU as a member.

BYU is a long way away from our schools. Having BYU as a member for non-revenue sports is tough. Luckily, BYU's other sports have a conference relationship.

Army is similar for their sports.

If no BYU or Army it needs to be AFA football only. Full Stop

• Contiguous to our current footprint
• Frees up a game on Navy's schedule, adding more value to that side
• More media control of the CIC cup
• Highest value add that is showing interest
• Weakens the MWC
• Possibility for a Olympic sport add, but as some have said 11 is perfectly fine
  

(10-22-2019 12:18 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Attackcoog, your right. FB only & VCU would work
Promplem is VCU not interested

so replace VCU with Dayton...I would think they would like to share a conf with Cincy.

I still think UAB makes the most sense if you need an all-sports.

I'm puzzled as to why Army and Air force are not interested, it's a clear step up for them. But what do I know.

(10-24-2019 10:29 AM)rileylives Wrote:  I still think UAB makes the most sense if you need an all-sports.

I'm puzzled as to why Army and Air force are not interested, it's a clear step up for them. But what do I know.

it sounds like AF may very well be interested. they're starting to hear news of the MWC tv deal and they're not happy about 8:15p start times coupled with Thu/Fri games.

we can offer them more money, better exposure, along with some 330p and 7p east coast start times on ESPNU and CBSSN which is far more up their alley.

(10-24-2019 10:43 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 10:29 AM)rileylives Wrote:  I still think UAB makes the most sense if you need an all-sports.

I'm puzzled as to why Army and Air force are not interested, it's a clear step up for them. But what do I know.

it sounds like AF may very well be interested. they're starting to hear news of the MWC tv deal and they're not happy about 8:15p start times coupled with Thu/Fri games.

we can offer them more money, better exposure, along with some 330p and 7p east coast start times on ESPNU and CBSSN which is far more up their alley.

Yeah, the boost to exposure is a no brainier for them.

(10-24-2019 10:29 AM)rileylives Wrote:  I still think UAB makes the most sense if you need an all-sports.

I'm puzzled as to why Army and Air force are not interested, it's a clear step up for them. But what do I know.

No and just stop it with Uab.

(10-24-2019 12:15 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 10:29 AM)rileylives Wrote:  I still think UAB makes the most sense if you need an all-sports.

I'm puzzled as to why Army and Air force are not interested, it's a clear step up for them. But what do I know.

No and just stop it with Uab.

Who do you want then?

They offer a good market, good budget, improving facilities, fits the conference blueprint, history with teams. Both sports are competitive.

They have been very competitive under Bill Clark, and I don't think he wants to leave that program.

People keep bringing up MAC, CUSA or Sunbelt members.... Please, for the love of god listen to this ONE point.

1 AAC member makes more in a single year with our new contract, than their entire conference.

If a single member of one of those conferences was worth $7 million a year, then the above statement wouldnt be true. So if you want to add any member from any of those three conferences, then you are looking for DILUTION in income.

Only BYU, Army or VERY select members of the MWC do not dilute our income. Thats it.

(10-24-2019 12:35 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  People keep bringing up MAC, CUSA or Sunbelt members.... Please, for the love of god listen to this ONE point.

1 AAC member makes more in a single year with our new contract, than their entire conference.

If a single member of one of those conferences was worth $7 million a year, then the above statement wouldnt be true. So if you want to add any member from any of those three conferences, then you are looking for DILUTION in income.

Only BYU, Army or VERY select members of the MWC do not dilute our income. Thats it.

I respect your opinion, but here's mine. Let's use Marshall for example. Singularly as a brand we're worth way more than what we're making, this isn't Marshals leadership negotiating these rates. It's our idiot toy Jeep driving commissioner. You can say the same thing for MAC and Sunbelt schools.

But I don't think we need to go independent, I think there's value in a conference.

So look, I get it. You guys are in a great spot. Just try to calm down a little bit I'm not a troll. I like to think I'm a pretty level-headed poster.

(10-24-2019 12:24 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 12:15 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 10:29 AM)rileylives Wrote:  I still think UAB makes the most sense if you need an all-sports.

I'm puzzled as to why Army and Air force are not interested, it's a clear step up for them. But what do I know.

No and just stop it with Uab.

Who do you want then?

They offer a good market, good budget, improving facilities, fits the conference blueprint, history with teams. Both sports are competitive.

They have been very competitive under Bill Clark, and I don't think he wants to leave that program.

He is smart in that he is not just grabbing the first higher paying job that comes his way---but he wont be there much longer. UAB is where they need to be. They arent the answer.


My belief is the rule change will pass and we will be able to stay at 11 for as long as needed. However, the truth is an 11 member divisionless AAC is a temporary condition. Given how spread out our conference is, a divisional set up is the logical league structure that works best for the AAC. The good news is we have plenty of time to figure how to fill that #12 slot. It can be a full member or a "football only" member paired with a high end basketball school to fill the #12 slot in olympic sports. Heck, we can add a football only school and just continue on with 11 basketball teams if no basketball school is worth adding.

Bottom line---if a the rule change passes---the pressure is off. The AAC can take its time and do it right.

News flash: BYU and Army have already said no thanks, AFA also will say no except their screwball coach.


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(10-24-2019 03:03 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  News flash: BYU and Army have already said no thanks, AFA also will say no except their screwball coach.


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(10-21-2019 11:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

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(10-21-2019 04:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

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We are VCU’s equal and long-time rival - the only difference is we added football and they went all-in w/basketball (w/no interest in football). Our basketball program just needs a higher platform - VCU moved to the A10 from the CAA - and we moved from the CAA to CUSA. We won the CAA championship against VCU the year they went to the Final Four as an at-large bid, and we lost to Butler on a buzzer-beater in the dance.

I agree. This conference needs regional rivals to fill stadiums and BBall seats. ODU is a Carnegie 2 state research university with basketball nearly as good as VCU's. And you guys sell like 15k seasons tix for football, the allotted amount. Put Temple, ECU, Cincy and UCF on your schedule and you'll need a bigger stadium.

If ODU is such a big rival of AAC schools---why is ECU the only one that scheduled them---and ECU only played them twice recently. Furthermore, ECU has yet to bother scheduling any other games with ODU in the future. If ECU is dying to play ODU, schedule them. No reason the rest of us should be stuck with them. Surely there is better more established brand available. Based on some of the comments I keep seeeing, Im starting to think a lot of ECU fans would have been happier staying the cozy little CUSA division Terry Hammond built for them.

Worst case scenario to me is someone like App St, Ark St, or Marshall as a "football only" with VCU being added as non-football member. That at least gives us a solid football addition and an excellent top tier basketball addition.

Coog, no dog in the fight here, but I would say if you compare ODU and App State my vote would be ODU. The primary reason is market and 4M in the Tidewater area which drawfs App State's. Plus all around athletics programs are better than App state as well. The only thing I like App better is they have a older football tradition, but ODU is the more viable candidate. Not that I want to add them. My preference at this point is Air Force.

I think maybe you misunderstood my intent. Im not suggesting AppSt as a full member.

To be clear—-I’m suggesting splitting that 12th slot into a “football only” slot and a “non-football slot. So I’m thinking VCU would be the non-football program added to the conference. There are several solid football programs that are fairly well supported that could make some sense—-Marshall, App St. S Miss.

The point is using that method you can construct a 12th member that provides both a quality football program and a quality football program. To me that’s better way to go than adding a full member that can’t provid solid programs in both revenue sports.

Point is ODU bball is only marginally below VCU currently - and we were 100% on their level as fierce rivals in the CAA. It is the reason we continue to play every year and will continue to do so for the next century. Also, we have a substantially better bball venue (...have you ever been to VCU’s “Stu” in Richmond?) and have invested $70M in a renovated football stadium. A higher platform is all ODU needs for bball - just as VCU received by going to the A10. I know certain folks on this site like to tout their connections, but I’m connected as well. And I know ODU is a contender.

(10-24-2019 03:03 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  News flash: BYU and Army have already said no thanks, AFA also will say no except their screwball coach.


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Dude, if all you're going to do is come here to trash us, beat it.

(10-24-2019 03:03 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  News flash: BYU and Army have already said no thanks, AFA also will say no except their screwball coach.

that's what folks said about UConn and their screwball fans who pined away for the BE...

And how combustible is the Big 12? When does Texas do something? Big 12 revenues will NOT keep up with the SEC or B1G.