I'm glad you specified that, because it's not appreciably different than almost all of West Philly. The stadium would be on campus, like with parking around it/under it. You're not going to be parking in the Badlands.

Yes, there's a regional rail stop on campus.

The stadium is nothing more than a pipe dream right now. It may happen, but not for a really long time. There is no mention of it on Temple's website and there has not been any concrete news on the progress in over a year, except that plans stalled in 2018. The irony about all of this is that the Linc is probably more comfortable and more state of the art than 99% of current college stadiums today. Maybe Temple fans should accept the fact that the school's urban campus footprint makes it different from most major college football campuses and that building a stadium just might not be feasible. They should promote the fact that they currently play in one of the best stadiums in the country, even if there is an empty upper deck and it's not like everyone else's stadium. By closing the upper deck, they've still got a really nice setting for college football that the Temple community should be proud of.

We should be proud of playing in a stadium we get price gouged to play in? Yeah, no. Stadium will happen. It's a matter of when, and it's feasible.

(10-17-2019 01:43 PM)J.B. Wrote:  Apples and Oranges my friend. Temple is one of the top 3 state universities in PA with 30k undergraduates. They had a successful basketball program that helped jump start them into a larger conference. While their football program used to be terrible, they at least had a football program. They were able to take advantage of the large conference resources to help jump start their football program to being relevant again.

If you want to try to give an explanation as to why Temple can and Drexel can't, I really think you have to look far behind the Zillmer days and go back to the early 80's. Drexel shared the ECC with Temple, St. Joes, American, Drexel, LaSalle, Hofstra, West Chester, Lafayette, Rider, Delaware, Lehigh, and Bucknell. I think it was around the time of John Chaney coming to Temple that they pulled themselves into the new Atlantic 10 and decided to focus on becoming a national powerhouse in basketball. I guess Drexel may have had that same opportunity to be relevent, but never took advantage. I won't pretend to know what type of investment was needed to move into the Atlantic 10, which jumped far above the ECC. I'll give Temple and St. Joe's a lot of credit for pulling themselves out of a conference of mid-majors to jumpstart nationally recognized programs.

Going off topic a bit here...I went on a college tour of West Chester the other day. It's a very large campus with an energetic student body. They used to have some strong Division I sports teams. I can't seem to find any information as to why West Chester and all of the other PA State System schools are now just DII schools. I think a place like West Chester could do very well with Division I athletics.

I know that IUP was looking hard at moving up once, and I don't why they stopped looking. IMO, they are the Pennsylvania equivalent of Troy University. I'm also surprised that Villanova didn't give FBS a second look.

I'm bringing back this thread as an oldie but goodie. This is from four years ago. Looks like JHG722 and his dreams of a Temple Football Stadium and moving Temple to the ACC actually is nothing but a pipe dream that will never happen.

Temple is building a media and performing arts building at the site that was proposed for a football stadium.

https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate/com...whSgMnue10

Mike Jensen has also been doing a series on NIL at the local schools.

His piece on Temple today is .. oof.

This isn't much better, they've had a rough go lately:
https://www.phillymag.com/news/2023/09/0...ntroversy/

(10-04-2023 02:22 PM)J.B. Wrote:  I'm bringing back this thread as an oldie but goodie. This is from four years ago. Looks like JHG722 and his dreams of a Temple Football Stadium and moving Temple to the ACC actually is nothing but a pipe dream that will never happen.

Temple is building a media and performing arts building at the site that was proposed for a football stadium.

https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate/com...whSgMnue10

That was always a bat guano idea and they should be thanking their lucky stars they didn't manage to actually pull it off.

(10-05-2023 11:48 AM)DrachenFire Wrote:  This isn't much better, they've had a rough go lately:
https://www.phillymag.com/news/2023/09/0...ntroversy/

(10-04-2023 02:22 PM)J.B. Wrote:  I'm bringing back this thread as an oldie but goodie. This is from four years ago. Looks like JHG722 and his dreams of a Temple Football Stadium and moving Temple to the ACC actually is nothing but a pipe dream that will never happen.

Temple is building a media and performing arts building at the site that was proposed for a football stadium.

https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate/com...whSgMnue10

That was always a bat guano idea and they should be thanking their lucky stars they didn't manage to actually pull it off.

Oooof. You think about problems like this at private schools, but I guess public, or "public related" universities like Temple aren't immune either. Years ago, my dad was a keynote speaker at an offseason Temple graduation, and our family were special guests of Dean Porat of the Fox School. Crazy what happened to him.

IMO, Temple should be orchestrating a move to the MAC with Delaware and UMass. The AAC was a fun experiment, but it's clear that the conference isn't sustainable, as it's a shell of its former self. Temple desperately needs to be in a more stable and manageable football conference, and the eastern quadrant of Buffalo, Delaware, UMass, and Temple would make more sense than any combination of teams Temple has been with since the Big East days.

Don't really think Temple can afford to take a 90% pay cut to join the MAC

(10-06-2023 09:21 PM)jcohen42 Wrote:  IMO, Temple should be orchestrating a move to the MAC with Delaware and UMass. The AAC was a fun experiment, but it's clear that the conference isn't sustainable, as it's a shell of its former self. Temple desperately needs to be in a more stable and manageable football conference, and the eastern quadrant of Buffalo, Delaware, UMass, and Temple would make more sense than any combination of teams Temple has been with since the Big East days.

Temple was already in the MAC several years back. Will the MAC let them BACK????
{see what I did there}

The AAC is so focused on markets, but getting UMass and Delaware into the AAC would be good for Temple. Don't think it really has a chance of happening though.

I do understand the idea of using the MAC as a container to get some of the Northeast FBS schools together. But my goodness, if it ends up that Delaware and UMass wind up there -- good luck to them. I wouldn't want to join a low-level FBS conference with so many early-in-the-week nighttime football games and 75% of its members in Ohio and Michigan.

my favorite podcast right now is the college football enquirer. they like that the mac has been so stable. correct me if i'm wrong...but they haven't really made any made changes during this conference realignment. they make sense geographically and are comfortable in their own skin.

they also talk about the ultimate formation of a super conference. i have no idea what this could mean for basketball. nobody seems to care anyway. as time goes by...i'm starting to like it for football. tv will try to make it happen so we don't get games like umass at penn state in the pouring rain on saturday at beaver stadium. i gave up my penn state season tickets because they only play 2 meaningful games every year...michigan and ohio state...and only 1 of them is part of the 6 or 7 home games i get tickets for.

ideally...football would go one way and all the other sports would go another. it makes no sense for the penn state field hockey team to fly out to washington or oregon...assuming they even play field hockey there.

(10-12-2023 07:54 AM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  my favorite podcast right now is the college football enquirer. they like that the mac has been so stable. correct me if i'm wrong...but they haven't really made any made changes during this conference realignment. they make sense geographically and are comfortable in their own skin.

The MAC is such a throwback to a (better) time when conferences were truly regional. The schools are really similar, travel makes sense. The basketball is decent. I do respect them for all that.

But why Delaware would see that as the best place to go is beyond me. Unless they see it as a stopover on the way to the AAC. Put it this way: I wouldn't trade bus trips for all my sports to adjacent mid-Atlantic states for flights to Buffalo and mid-sized Ohio cities -- just so I can call my football FBS.

(10-12-2023 07:54 AM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  ideally...football would go one way and all the other sports would go another. it makes no sense for the penn state field hockey team to fly out to washington or oregon...assuming they even play field hockey there.

Totally agree. And I hope that's the end game.

But I really worry the people in charge of the big schools think they should do the same in basketball and set up a power conference-only NCAA tourney. And that would be deeply, truly awful -- the enshittification of the NCAA tournament.

(10-12-2023 12:42 PM)JonP Wrote:  But I really worry the people in charge of the big schools think they should do the same in basketball and set up a power conference-only NCAA tourney. And that would be deeply, truly awful -- the enshittification of the NCAA tournament.

IMO, the NCAA has not made a single decision or change that is good for the future of college athletics in years. They have pretty much turned me off to college sports. I'll keep my Drexel season tickets, and will continue to as long as I see many of the familiar faces that I have gotten to know over the years at the DAC. I go to a few Rider games a year and watch some on TV. And I'll probably root for whatever school my younger daughter attends, even if it is a power conference school. And I'll watch other CAA teams on TV. But I will never turn on ESPN or CBS and watch two power conference teams play. Maybe if a mid major as a chance to know off a power school, I may tune in. And my interest in the NCAA Tournament ceases as soon as all the mid majors get knocked out.

In all honesty, I'm at the breaking point, where I wouldn't care if they had a power conference only NCAA Tournament for basketball. Because that would then create a mid-major NCAA Tournament instead. I wouldn't mind seeing Drexel take a shot at winning a mid-major championship. It might actually keep me interested.

i guess the question is whether tv networks see the value in the early round games. that would keep the tournament together as we know it. i feel like i've heard conversation of expanding it which may just create more room for power 5 schools...as we know.

i feel like basketball in general is at a low point. i was curious about ncaa tournament tv ratings and i found one chart showing a gradual overall decline in the last 10 or so years. the top rated games were all 30+ years ago if i'm seeing it right. the nba is the worst product in professional sports and by a decent margin. baseball has made so many good changes. i'll admit i'm following the phillies closer now that they're competitive...but it really helps that i can watch the entire game.

8 pm start last night with tons of pitching changes and i think it was over by 11:15-11:30.

college baseball has a chance to really benefit from changes like nil. same with women's college basketball. the college games are becoming more attractive than the pro leagues so the talent/competition level is higher. it's a crime that iowa-lsu isn't happening in non-conference women's basketball.

(10-12-2023 02:08 PM)J.B. Wrote:  

(10-12-2023 12:42 PM)JonP Wrote:  But I really worry the people in charge of the big schools think they should do the same in basketball and set up a power conference-only NCAA tourney. And that would be deeply, truly awful -- the enshittification of the NCAA tournament.

IMO, the NCAA has not made a single decision or change that is good for the future of college athletics in years. They have pretty much turned me off to college sports. I'll keep my Drexel season tickets, and will continue to as long as I see many of the familiar faces that I have gotten to know over the years at the DAC. I go to a few Rider games a year and watch some on TV. And I'll probably root for whatever school my younger daughter attends, even if it is a power conference school. And I'll watch other CAA teams on TV. But I will never turn on ESPN or CBS and watch two power conference teams play. Maybe if a mid major as a chance to know off a power school, I may tune in. And my interest in the NCAA Tournament ceases as soon as all the mid majors get knocked out.

In all honesty, I'm at the breaking point, where I wouldn't care if they had a power conference only NCAA Tournament for basketball. Because that would then create a mid-major NCAA Tournament instead. I wouldn't mind seeing Drexel take a shot at winning a mid-major championship. It might actually keep me interested.

I guess you don't make a bracket. I enjoyed making brackets since the 1990s. I don't know what percent of NCAA Tournament viewing is from people who only care about the game because of their bracket, but it is something that the NCAA should keep in mind. Expanding would make too many teams to fit the bracket on one sheet of paper, and having a tournament only for the top conferences would make the tournament have much fewer than 64 teams. A tournament for the top conferences would have to include Gonzaga. Other than them, the NCAA should remember trips to the Elite Eight or farther by George Mason, VCU, Davidson when they were in the Southern Conference and had Stephen Curry, Butler almost winning the tournament when they were in the Horizon League, Loyola Chicago, and St. Peter's. Furthermore, I don't know if Virginia Tech fans laughed at Virginia for becoming the first 1 seed to lose to a 16 seed, but majors would not lose tournament games to mid-majors if they were in separate tournaments.

Since 2011, CAA athletes won an AL MVP as a pitcher (Justin Verlander), Super Bowl MVP (Joe Flacco), and WNBA MVP (Elena Delle Donne). Stephen Curry and Ja Morant are current NBA stars from mid-majors.