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(10-17-2019 01:55 PM)doss2 Wrote:  The reality is the NCAA could stop it as the NFL has. But that would require the NCAA to do something good.

The rules should be:

1. No school may contact any other school's coach until the season and post season games have ended.
2. All contract parties must affirm that no contact happened before the season/post season ended.
3. Violations would result in a 3 year bowl ban and the loss of 5 scholarships each year.
4. The contact provision would include any coaches agent/representative.

That might sound good at face value, but what about the unintended consequences?
FBS only or FCS too (aren't their concerns just as valid?) Assistants too? Does it apply to all sports or just men's football? A primary point being it might work well for many schools, but where does it leave assistant coaches and perhaps most importantly recruits including transfers and early enrollees?

I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying it starts getting pretty complicated. As an exercise with a practical example, how would it work at say Rutgers (having fired Chris Ash a few weeks ago) this year?

(10-17-2019 02:52 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(10-17-2019 01:55 PM)doss2 Wrote:  The reality is the NCAA could stop it as the NFL has. But that would require the NCAA to do something good.

The rules should be:

1. No school may contact any other school's coach until the season and post season games have ended.
2. All contract parties must affirm that no contact happened before the season/post season ended.
3. Violations would result in a 3 year bowl ban and the loss of 5 scholarships each year.
4. The contact provision would include any coaches agent/representative.

That might sound good at face value, but what about the unintended consequences?
FBS only or FCS too (aren't their concerns just as valid?) Assistants too? Does it apply to all sports or just men's football? A primary point being it might work well for many schools, but where does it leave assistant coaches and perhaps most importantly recruits including transfers and early enrollees?

I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying it starts getting pretty complicated. As an exercise with a practical example, how would it work at say Rutgers (having fired Chris Ash a few weeks ago) this year?

Not only that, it's really NOT the NCAA's business to enforce contracts. The NCAA can't even enforce the valid rules where they should have jurisdiction much less the NCAA trying to insinuate themselves into more business where they do not belong.

(10-17-2019 03:50 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(10-17-2019 02:52 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(10-17-2019 01:55 PM)doss2 Wrote:  The reality is the NCAA could stop it as the NFL has. But that would require the NCAA to do something good.

The rules should be:

1. No school may contact any other school's coach until the season and post season games have ended.
2. All contract parties must affirm that no contact happened before the season/post season ended.
3. Violations would result in a 3 year bowl ban and the loss of 5 scholarships each year.
4. The contact provision would include any coaches agent/representative.

That might sound good at face value, but what about the unintended consequences?
FBS only or FCS too (aren't their concerns just as valid?) Assistants too? Does it apply to all sports or just men's football? A primary point being it might work well for many schools, but where does it leave assistant coaches and perhaps most importantly recruits including transfers and early enrollees?

I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying it starts getting pretty complicated. As an exercise with a practical example, how would it work at say Rutgers (having fired Chris Ash a few weeks ago) this year?

Not only that, it's really NOT the NCAA's business to enforce contracts. The NCAA can't even enforce the valid rules where they should have jurisdiction much less the NCAA trying to insinuate themselves into more business where they do not belong.

Oh yeah, there's a whole 'nother can of worms with the legal issues that I decided not to even touch on for the sake of argument. I dislike the system as much as most, but most of the fixes seem to be just as problematic.

Brian Kelly did what? Hogwash! This Trio of Twit did far more harm to UC football.

Here is the thing...I would never hold a grudge against anyone who led us to the greatest football season in our history. I am actually grateful for what he did. I am much more angry with how Dantonio left. Mostly because he took shots at UC fans later by saying they needed to show commitment to the program. He needed to show commitment! At least Brian Kelly didn’t say a bunch of silly crap on his way out the door. I didn’t like the whole banquet thing, but as someone who has changed jobs in the past, it is never easy.

At least Scott Frost learned something about how to leave a program.

Hate that SOB for the way he left. Hope he loses every game at ND. But I would have no problem with a statue of him at Nippert because he did the impossible. He got people to believe it can be done at UC. I will always be grateful to him for that.

(10-17-2019 09:38 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  Hate that SOB for the way he left. Hope he loses every game at ND. But I would have no problem with a statue of him at Nippert because he did the impossible. He got people to believe it can be done at UC. I will always be grateful to him for that.

Well said! 2009 was a magic carpet ride from the beginning to when the lights went out in Heinz Field. No one can take that away from us and I plan to celebrate all the players and coaches who were a part of that special year at tomorrow's game.

I hope our fans turn out for it too--even more for the #21 team in the country. I'm never at PBS for the Bengals but I can't imagine there is an ounce of energy in that place this year. The Nip has rocked. Let's keep it going--go 'Cats!

Brian Kelly is a saint. You want to be pissed about how he left? How about HE LEFT the program on a whole different level than he got it.

Lyle did ok maintaining, but he was the start of the slide back to mediocrity. Voldesnort dramatically accelerated that slide.

Honestly though, I don't think Brian Kelly was going to build a program here. He was a marketing guy. He was a flash in the pan kind of guy. CLF is the long-game-build-something type that we need.

(10-17-2019 09:38 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  Hate that SOB for the way he left. Hope he loses every game at ND. But I would have no problem with a statue of him at Nippert because he did the impossible. He got people to believe it can be done at UC. I will always be grateful to him for that.

bravo

UC was a stepping stone for BK. He didn't care about the university, or the kids. Just himself and his career. I read an article that when the former AD at Tennessee was being asked about the Lane Kiffin hire, he mentioned that he almost hired Brian Kelly from Cincinnati instead. He said Kelly was the only one who came to the interview wearing an orange tie. So people saying Kelly left because it was his dream job - yeah, ND was his dream job, but he was going ANYWHERE that he felt was "up". So thank you for what you did BK, but I'm glad you are gone and yes, I clap each time ND loses...

With regards to cheering for ND to lose? I hope they lose exactly one game each year and that one game is just enough to keep them out of the playoffs because they don't have the 13th high caliber data point other one loss teams will have. Force them to join the ACC as a full football member and take us with them for even numbers.

(10-18-2019 11:00 AM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  UC was a stepping stone for BK. He didn't care about the university, or the kids. Just himself and his career. I read an article that when the former AD at Tennessee was being asked about the Lane Kiffin hire, he mentioned that he almost hired Brian Kelly from Cincinnati instead. He said Kelly was the only one who came to the interview wearing an orange tie. So people saying Kelly left because it was his dream job - yeah, ND was his dream job, but he was going ANYWHERE that he felt was "up". So thank you for what you did BK, but I'm glad you are gone and yes, I clap each time ND loses...

No one know what happened with TN, except TN's AD, BK and his agent. Many say ND is his dream job, since he said this about the time he was hired at UC. I remember reading an interview where he talked about ND and even BC, since he had a connection to that part of the country.

(10-18-2019 11:03 AM)dubcat14 Wrote:  With regards to cheering for ND to lose? I hope they lose exactly one game each year and that one game is just enough to keep them out of the playoffs because they don't have the 13th high caliber data point other one loss teams will have. Force them to join the ACC as a full football member and take us with them for even numbers.

The rules regarding championship games will be reworked before Notre Dame joins any conference. UC isn’t going to be needed to even up the numbers regardless.

(10-18-2019 11:15 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 11:03 AM)dubcat14 Wrote:  With regards to cheering for ND to lose? I hope they lose exactly one game each year and that one game is just enough to keep them out of the playoffs because they don't have the 13th high caliber data point other one loss teams will have. Force them to join the ACC as a full football member and take us with them for even numbers.

The rules regarding championship games will be reworked before Notre Dame joins any conference. UC isn’t going to be needed to even up the numbers regardless.

Probably true on that, but a guy can dream ha

Egger: Why I’ll be cheering for Brian Kelly at Nippert Stadium on Saturday

https://theathletic.com/1301008/2019/10/...-saturday/

"For just a few hours, or maybe even a couple of minutes, the Bearcats were in the title game conversation, a concept that not long before was laughable because no one dared even entertain it. The University of Cincinnati? A school where some faculty once tried to fold the football program? Where the athletic director once had to leverage his basketball program in order to end a run of 47 straight seasons without a bowl game? A place that once force-fed football season tickets to prospective basketball customers?

You betcha.

The ’09 Bearcats are being celebrated at UC this weekend, and deservedly and appropriately so. For my money, that team could be honored annually and it would never get old."

Mo admittedly isn't the finest Picasso with words (he's gotten much better the more he writes), but he does a hell of a job in this article of summing up what we've all been trying to say. Between he and Justin Williams, I recommend everyone get an Athletic subscription for a couple bucks a month.

(10-17-2019 07:41 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  At least Scott Frost learned something about how to leave a program.

The difference was that Scott Frost was the prodigal son of Nebraska Football and was their starting QB on their last great team. He had the leeway to tell Nebraska if you want me, wait until after the season is over. If Kelly tried that with Notre Dame they tell him "thanks but no thanks" and hire someone else. It isn't fair to compare the two at all.

It'd be like if Mardy Gilyard was a prestigious coach and told us he wanted to finish his season at Western Kentucky first. We'd wait.

(10-18-2019 11:03 AM)dubcat14 Wrote:  With regards to cheering for ND to lose? I hope they lose exactly one game each year and that one game is just enough to keep them out of the playoffs because they don't have the 13th high caliber data point other one loss teams will have. Force them to join the ACC as a full football member and take us with them for even numbers.

Bolded, it would be the first favor Notre Dame has ever done for the University of Cincinnati. But it would be a good one.

Personally, I don't believe the dominoes will fall that way but who knows. I can confirm the Tennessee speculation about hiring Kelly to be pretty accurate. I'm not sure I buy that ND was really his "dream job" either. But no question it's a very prestigious one on the upper echelon of college football so he or others could credibly claim that.

It was pretty much a no brainer for the guy to go from UC to ND. Can’t blame him for that. You got to strike while the iron is hot. Could have been done with a bit more class, but oh well.

(10-18-2019 02:37 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  It was pretty much a no brainer for the guy to go from UC to ND. Can’t blame him for that. You got to strike while the iron is hot. Could have been done with a bit more class, but oh well.

Never blame any coach for leaving for any reason....No matter how much a coach is beloved today, we as fans will turn on him like a pit bull if he has two or three losing seasons in a row... My only kick with Kelly was bailing on his players three weeks before the Sugar Bowl, and taking all his assistants with him. Brian Kelly didn't owe us fans a thing, but he should have done better by his players. That being said, I hope when he is introduced tomorrow he gets a tremendous ovation. He didn't have to come back for this, I hope it turns out like it should.