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Defining the App State/Georgia Southern rivalry
Was watching the Battle for the Belt tonight, and it really got me thinking about the App/Southern rivalry.

The online resources call it "Deeper than Hate," but I'm not sure its ever officially been adopted (and I'm not sure many people like it). We also don't play for any kind of trophy.

I just feel like this is unacceptable for teams that dislike each other as much as we do. Our rivalry is deep, and needs to be seen as such.
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RE: Defining the App State/Georgia Southern rivalry
Think it be cool if you would try to give every rivalry a name. I’ll start

App State vs. Georgia Southern ( Billy’s vs Necks ), Country Cup

Troy vs. USA ( Battle for the Belt )

GS vs GSU ( Battle for the Big Peach)

UL vs. ULM ( Battle for the Bayou )

UL vs. Ark St. ( North vs South ), 2nd place trophy- because seems like the team in the east will always have the better record, and will always host lol.
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RE: Defining the App State/Georgia Southern rivalry
When something comes so natural.. I'm not sure you need to define it. It just exists... and everyone knows it. It's evident in the message boards, social media, crowd attendance and crowd noise.

I've seen too many examples of forced or manufactured rivalries that come up with names/gimmicks/trophies in order to jump start a rivalry.

Also FYI... our thread will not open until each team's prior week game clock hits 0:00.
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RE: Defining the App State/Georgia Southern rivalry
When we played WCU year after year we had "The battle for the old mountain jug" which was an old whisky jug that at some point had real whisky in it, I know cause I actually smelled it one time. The only problem was that it didn't become much of a rivaly due to us winning the last 10 years in a row, it became a snore fest.


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(10-17-2019 06:19 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  When something comes so natural.. I'm not sure you need to define it. It just exists... and everyone knows it. It's evident in the message boards, social media, crowd attendance and crowd noise.

I've seen too many examples of forced or manufactured rivalries that come up with names/gimmicks/trophies in order to jump start a rivalry.

Also FYI... our thread will not open until each team's prior week game clock hits 0:00.

And do cheesy things like take women’s sports, GPA, and community service into account for an ugly plastic trophy 07-coffee3
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(10-17-2019 06:19 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  When something comes so natural.. I'm not sure you need to define it. It just exists... and everyone knows it. It's evident in the message boards, social media, crowd attendance and crowd noise.

I've seen too many examples of forced or manufactured rivalries that come up with names/gimmicks/trophies in order to jump start a rivalry.


Also FYI... our thread will not open until each team's prior week game clock hits 0:00.

I see where you're coming from, but at the same time, everyone knows this rivalry isn't forced. Why not put some hardware on the line as well to make it even sweeter?
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(10-17-2019 06:43 AM)DeanoAPP Wrote:  When we played WCU year after year we had "The battle for the old mountain jug" which was an old whisky jug that at some point had real whisky in it, I know cause I actually smelled it one time. The only problem was that it didn't become much of a rivaly due to us winning the last 10 years in a row, it became a snore fest.

The old mountain jug should have never been a rivalry, cause I think WCU won maybe 9? times over the 70ish year history of the game. That one was forced
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(10-17-2019 08:13 AM)FTE_rawr Wrote:  
(10-17-2019 06:19 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  When something comes so natural.. I'm not sure you need to define it. It just exists... and everyone knows it. It's evident in the message boards, social media, crowd attendance and crowd noise.

I've seen too many examples of forced or manufactured rivalries that come up with names/gimmicks/trophies in order to jump start a rivalry.


Also FYI... our thread will not open until each team's prior week game clock hits 0:00.

I see where you're coming from, but at the same time, everyone knows this rivalry isn't forced. Why not put some hardware on the line as well to make it even sweeter?

Ehhh... you just end up following what the manufactured rivalries are doing. It's not like there is some shared relic that can be traded between both schools, which would make sense in using.

You end up with a trophy that looks like it should be given out to winners of American Gladiators.
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(10-17-2019 08:19 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  
(10-17-2019 08:13 AM)FTE_rawr Wrote:  
(10-17-2019 06:19 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  When something comes so natural.. I'm not sure you need to define it. It just exists... and everyone knows it. It's evident in the message boards, social media, crowd attendance and crowd noise.

I've seen too many examples of forced or manufactured rivalries that come up with names/gimmicks/trophies in order to jump start a rivalry.


Also FYI... our thread will not open until each team's prior week game clock hits 0:00.

I see where you're coming from, but at the same time, everyone knows this rivalry isn't forced. Why not put some hardware on the line as well to make it even sweeter?

Ehhh... you just end up following what the manufactured rivalries are doing. It's not like there is some shared relic that can be traded between both schools, which would make sense in using.

You end up with a trophy that looks like it should be given out to winners of American Gladiators.

*Thinks about shared relics*

AH

The "Goal Post Threw Bus Window" Trophy.

Or maybe...

The "Pile of Stomped Pizzas" Trophy?

(All in good fun, but I see where you're coming from with the manufactured rivalry stuff. We've got the real thing, and I wouldn't want that to change)
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RE: Defining the App State/Georgia Southern rivalry
Maybe someone can clear this up for me: When did Georgia Southern become App State's #1 rival?

When I was at App, of course Western was still regarded as a big rival, even though App dominated the rivalry since the mid-'80s. Furman, at that time, seemed every bit as much of an App State rival as Southern.

Was the elevation of Ga. Southern as App's far-and-away number 1 rival as recent as the move to the Sun Belt, or does it go back further?
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(10-17-2019 08:27 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Maybe someone can clear this up for me: When did Georgia Southern become App State's #1 rival?

When I was at App, of course Western was still regarded as a big rival, even though App dominated the rivalry since the mid-'80s. Furman, at that time, seemed every bit as much of an App State rival as Southern.

Was the elevation of Ga. Southern as App's far-and-away number 1 rival as recent as the move to the Sun Belt, or does it go back further?


Late 90s into the early 2000s. The rivalry got ramped up when GaSo or App were top 5 ranked teams that kept losing to the other school. It built up very naturally out of competition and heart breaking losses.
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Academic Logo disk from 2014... in fact I still have one in my office.
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RE: Defining the App State/Georgia Southern rivalry
(10-17-2019 08:29 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(10-17-2019 08:27 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Maybe someone can clear this up for me: When did Georgia Southern become App State's #1 rival?

When I was at App, of course Western was still regarded as a big rival, even though App dominated the rivalry since the mid-'80s. Furman, at that time, seemed every bit as much of an App State rival as Southern.

Was the elevation of Ga. Southern as App's far-and-away number 1 rival as recent as the move to the Sun Belt, or does it go back further?


Late 90s into the early 2000s. The rivalry got ramped up when GaSo or App were top 5 ranked teams that kept losing to the other school. It built up very naturally out of competition and heart breaking losses.

We would win the game when they were really good (see 87, The Ice Bowl), they would win the game when we were really good (see 07)
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This used to be the trophy we would compete for every year

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(10-17-2019 06:14 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  Think it be cool if you would try to give every rivalry a name. I’ll start

App State vs. Georgia Southern ( Billy’s vs Necks ), Country Cup

Troy vs. USA ( Battle for the Belt )

GS vs GSU ( Battle for the Big Peach)

UL vs. ULM ( Battle for the Bayou )

UL vs. Ark St. ( North vs South ), 2nd place trophy- because seems like the team in the east will always have the better record, and will always host lol.

Our rivalry is already called Battle on the Bayou: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_on_the_Bayou
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When I started at GS in 1999 (yikes), Furman was considered the top rival, and App was the "other" rival, and one of the three or some combination therein was the SoCon champ every year. However, Furman's program sort of declined once Bobby Johnson left, although Lamb did have some good years, and when that happened App stepped up and began winning titles, which made those games with GS much more exciting. It seems almost every year for about a decade at least one of the teams were ranked top 5 during the matchups. I think App was always more in line with what GS was, and both schools felt they didnt really belong in the SoCon with all the small private schools. Once the decision to move to FBS happened with both schools, that just forever linked our rivalry.
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(10-17-2019 08:42 AM)ChiefGSU275 Wrote:  When I started at GS in 1999 (yikes), Furman was considered the top rival, and App was the "other" rival, and one of the three or some combination therein was the SoCon champ every year. However, Furman's program sort of declined once Bobby Johnson left, although Lamb did have some good years, and when that happened App stepped up and began winning titles, which made those games with GS much more exciting. It seems almost every year for about a decade at least one of the teams were ranked top 5 during the matchups. I think App was always more in line with what GS was, and both schools felt they didnt really belong in the SoCon with all the small private schools. Once the decision to move to FBS happened with both schools, that just forever linked our rivalry.

*WCU cries in a corner*

But for real, if they got their **** together, WCU could have a good FBS program
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(10-17-2019 08:44 AM)FTE_rawr Wrote:  
(10-17-2019 08:42 AM)ChiefGSU275 Wrote:  When I started at GS in 1999 (yikes), Furman was considered the top rival, and App was the "other" rival, and one of the three or some combination therein was the SoCon champ every year. However, Furman's program sort of declined once Bobby Johnson left, although Lamb did have some good years, and when that happened App stepped up and began winning titles, which made those games with GS much more exciting. It seems almost every year for about a decade at least one of the teams were ranked top 5 during the matchups. I think App was always more in line with what GS was, and both schools felt they didnt really belong in the SoCon with all the small private schools. Once the decision to move to FBS happened with both schools, that just forever linked our rivalry.

*WCU cries in a corner*

But for real, if they got their **** together, WCU could have a good FBS program

Please don’t make this another realignment/move-up thread 04-chairshot
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(10-17-2019 08:47 AM)debragga Wrote:  
(10-17-2019 08:44 AM)FTE_rawr Wrote:  
(10-17-2019 08:42 AM)ChiefGSU275 Wrote:  When I started at GS in 1999 (yikes), Furman was considered the top rival, and App was the "other" rival, and one of the three or some combination therein was the SoCon champ every year. However, Furman's program sort of declined once Bobby Johnson left, although Lamb did have some good years, and when that happened App stepped up and began winning titles, which made those games with GS much more exciting. It seems almost every year for about a decade at least one of the teams were ranked top 5 during the matchups. I think App was always more in line with what GS was, and both schools felt they didnt really belong in the SoCon with all the small private schools. Once the decision to move to FBS happened with both schools, that just forever linked our rivalry.

*WCU cries in a corner*

But for real, if they got their **** together, WCU could have a good FBS program

Please don’t make this another realignment/move-up thread 04-chairshot

Naah, was just a comment regarding the SOCON being filled with private schools.
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(10-17-2019 08:42 AM)ChiefGSU275 Wrote:  When I started at GS in 1999 (yikes), Furman was considered the top rival, and App was the "other" rival, and one of the three or some combination therein was the SoCon champ every year. However, Furman's program sort of declined once Bobby Johnson left, although Lamb did have some good years, and when that happened App stepped up and began winning titles, which made those games with GS much more exciting. It seems almost every year for about a decade at least one of the teams were ranked top 5 during the matchups. I think App was always more in line with what GS was, and both schools felt they didnt really belong in the SoCon with all the small private schools. Once the decision to move to FBS happened with both schools, that just forever linked our rivalry.
This is a pretty good description of the rivalry with GS. When I was at App in the early/mid 70's it was ECU, WCU and later on Marshall, then GS. There have been some truly legendary games and huge upsets in the GS vs App series and I hope it continues for a long time. Last year was a prime example of it.05-mafia
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