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RE: "W&M athletic culture is being turned upside down"
(10-15-2019 08:57 AM)Tribal Wrote:  
(10-15-2019 08:38 AM)Herm61 Wrote:  Written by a soccer mom.
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RE: "W&M athletic culture is being turned upside down"
(10-15-2019 05:15 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  
(10-15-2019 02:22 PM)Tribal Wrote:  
(10-15-2019 02:00 PM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  Nobody here can actually "know" why Samantha Huge was hired or not...these are personal ramblings about things we know not of.

We'll find out over time by what occurs and that's the best these boards can do. She's relatively early on in her job so only more time will tell.

Personal opinion is 99% of what this messageboard is all about. Like your badmouthing the QB Club meetings when you hadn't attended a meeting in many years.

This wait and see attitude (not just you) is a prey minset. Y'all waited to see if basketball players would leave and it turns out most did just that; one didn't because NBA clubs said he needed a bit more work and the other didn't because he didn't find a suitable landing spot. Also lost a very promising recruit, by the way.

WSOC coach fired...champion swim coach suddenly left...legendary football coach left..all in Huge's early tenure. You also told us to wait and see if the MBB numbers were down. Welp, they were then and they are now. Boy, if you could see the MBB season ticket numbers...wow.

Student-athletes and parents are reaching out to the Tribe community. Boosters are sickened. But, you just keep ignoring them and the cold hard facts laid at your feet and just keep waiting and seeing because the truth doesn't fit your narrative. Enjoy your access to coaches, the AD and special events...clearly reserved for those willing to fall in line.


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You forgot my personal favorite. She left the ladies Tennis team without a coach after both the assistant and head coach quit. Not sure exactly who coached them during the period without one. It wasn't in the off season either.

And don't forget that Natalia Perry quit the team during that interlude. She only rejoined after the new coach came on board -- and, presumably, coaxed her to come back.

What gets me is that it was some of our all-time best coaches (Daly, Crispino, Thomson, Shaver) who were forced out (and not a bunch of deadbeats who were losers). The only coach who was shown the respect that was deserved was Laycock. The jury is still out on the replacements -- except, in my opinion, Shackford has definitely failed to impress.
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RE: "W&M athletic culture is being turned upside down"
(10-16-2019 12:23 AM)Zorch Wrote:  
(10-15-2019 05:15 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  
(10-15-2019 02:22 PM)Tribal Wrote:  
(10-15-2019 02:00 PM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  Nobody here can actually "know" why Samantha Huge was hired or not...these are personal ramblings about things we know not of.

We'll find out over time by what occurs and that's the best these boards can do. She's relatively early on in her job so only more time will tell.

Personal opinion is 99% of what this messageboard is all about. Like your badmouthing the QB Club meetings when you hadn't attended a meeting in many years.

This wait and see attitude (not just you) is a prey minset. Y'all waited to see if basketball players would leave and it turns out most did just that; one didn't because NBA clubs said he needed a bit more work and the other didn't because he didn't find a suitable landing spot. Also lost a very promising recruit, by the way.

WSOC coach fired...champion swim coach suddenly left...legendary football coach left..all in Huge's early tenure. You also told us to wait and see if the MBB numbers were down. Welp, they were then and they are now. Boy, if you could see the MBB season ticket numbers...wow.

Student-athletes and parents are reaching out to the Tribe community. Boosters are sickened. But, you just keep ignoring them and the cold hard facts laid at your feet and just keep waiting and seeing because the truth doesn't fit your narrative. Enjoy your access to coaches, the AD and special events...clearly reserved for those willing to fall in line.


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You forgot my personal favorite. She left the ladies Tennis team without a coach after both the assistant and head coach quit. Not sure exactly who coached them during the period without one. It wasn't in the off season either.

And don't forget that Natalia Perry quit the team during that interlude. She only rejoined after the new coach came on board -- and, presumably, coaxed her to come back.

What gets me is that it was some of our all-time best coaches (Daly, Crispino, Thomson, Shaver) who were forced out (and not a bunch of deadbeats who were losers). The only coach who was shown the respect that was deserved was Laycock. The jury is still out on the replacements -- except, in my opinion, Shackford has definitely failed to impress.

Didn’t Crispino simply leave for a higher paying job that required less work (men’s coach only) and considerably better facilities right on campus?
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RE: "W&M athletic culture is being turned upside down"
(10-16-2019 05:48 AM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  
(10-16-2019 12:23 AM)Zorch Wrote:  
(10-15-2019 05:15 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  
(10-15-2019 02:22 PM)Tribal Wrote:  
(10-15-2019 02:00 PM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  Nobody here can actually "know" why Samantha Huge was hired or not...these are personal ramblings about things we know not of.

We'll find out over time by what occurs and that's the best these boards can do. She's relatively early on in her job so only more time will tell.

Personal opinion is 99% of what this messageboard is all about. Like your badmouthing the QB Club meetings when you hadn't attended a meeting in many years.

This wait and see attitude (not just you) is a prey minset. Y'all waited to see if basketball players would leave and it turns out most did just that; one didn't because NBA clubs said he needed a bit more work and the other didn't because he didn't find a suitable landing spot. Also lost a very promising recruit, by the way.

WSOC coach fired...champion swim coach suddenly left...legendary football coach left..all in Huge's early tenure. You also told us to wait and see if the MBB numbers were down. Welp, they were then and they are now. Boy, if you could see the MBB season ticket numbers...wow.

Student-athletes and parents are reaching out to the Tribe community. Boosters are sickened. But, you just keep ignoring them and the cold hard facts laid at your feet and just keep waiting and seeing because the truth doesn't fit your narrative. Enjoy your access to coaches, the AD and special events...clearly reserved for those willing to fall in line.


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You forgot my personal favorite. She left the ladies Tennis team without a coach after both the assistant and head coach quit. Not sure exactly who coached them during the period without one. It wasn't in the off season either.

And don't forget that Natalia Perry quit the team during that interlude. She only rejoined after the new coach came on board -- and, presumably, coaxed her to come back.

What gets me is that it was some of our all-time best coaches (Daly, Crispino, Thomson, Shaver) who were forced out (and not a bunch of deadbeats who were losers). The only coach who was shown the respect that was deserved was Laycock. The jury is still out on the replacements -- except, in my opinion, Shackford has definitely failed to impress.

Didn’t Crispino simply leave for a higher paying job that required less work (men’s coach only) and considerably better facilities right on campus?
He had those opportunities for a decade. Think about the timing.

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RE: "W&M athletic culture is being turned upside down"
(10-16-2019 07:26 AM)Tribal Wrote:  
(10-16-2019 05:48 AM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  
(10-16-2019 12:23 AM)Zorch Wrote:  
(10-15-2019 05:15 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  
(10-15-2019 02:22 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Personal opinion is 99% of what this messageboard is all about. Like your badmouthing the QB Club meetings when you hadn't attended a meeting in many years.

This wait and see attitude (not just you) is a prey minset. Y'all waited to see if basketball players would leave and it turns out most did just that; one didn't because NBA clubs said he needed a bit more work and the other didn't because he didn't find a suitable landing spot. Also lost a very promising recruit, by the way.

WSOC coach fired...champion swim coach suddenly left...legendary football coach left..all in Huge's early tenure. You also told us to wait and see if the MBB numbers were down. Welp, they were then and they are now. Boy, if you could see the MBB season ticket numbers...wow.

Student-athletes and parents are reaching out to the Tribe community. Boosters are sickened. But, you just keep ignoring them and the cold hard facts laid at your feet and just keep waiting and seeing because the truth doesn't fit your narrative. Enjoy your access to coaches, the AD and special events...clearly reserved for those willing to fall in line.


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You forgot my personal favorite. She left the ladies Tennis team without a coach after both the assistant and head coach quit. Not sure exactly who coached them during the period without one. It wasn't in the off season either.

And don't forget that Natalia Perry quit the team during that interlude. She only rejoined after the new coach came on board -- and, presumably, coaxed her to come back.

What gets me is that it was some of our all-time best coaches (Daly, Crispino, Thomson, Shaver) who were forced out (and not a bunch of deadbeats who were losers). The only coach who was shown the respect that was deserved was Laycock. The jury is still out on the replacements -- except, in my opinion, Shackford has definitely failed to impress.

Didn’t Crispino simply leave for a higher paying job that required less work (men’s coach only) and considerably better facilities right on campus?
He had those opportunities for a decade. Think about the timing.

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Understand. But the timing makes sense generally speaking. If you are going to go through a change with your administration why not do it where you make more money and your job is easier. Not saying he didn't leave because of Huge. Simply saying it may actually not be anyone's fault that he did.
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RE: "W&M athletic culture is being turned upside down"
(10-16-2019 08:13 AM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  Understand. But the timing makes sense generally speaking. If you are going to go through a change with your administration why not do it where you make more money and your job is easier. Not saying he didn't leave because of Huge. Simply saying it may actually not be anyone's fault that he did.

You may be right in that maybe Huge did not overtly force him out -- but she apparently was able to say nothing or do anything to entice him to stay. What sways me that she was the reason -- even if she did it unintentionally -- were the quotes in the farewell article(s) about how much Matt and his wife both loved Williamsburg and hated to leave and wanted to raise their new family there. That being so, it must have been a very, very powerful force to motivate them to leave. It wasn't the money; as Tribal said, he could have left any time in the previous five or so years (which is when the Tribe started to dominate the conference).

Some rats are kicked off the sinking ship, some rats go down with the ship, but the smart rats see that the ship is sinking and get out before the stampede. Have it any one of those three that you want -- but the point is, is that the ship is sinking.
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Matt also said that he had reached the pinnacle for what could be done at William and Mary. That's code for......ain't no money coming my way. No aquatic center, etc.

FWIW, one of my best friends' daughter is a collegiate swimmer a few years back she was offered money at William and Mary, but chose an ACC school, got less money, and parents are paying out of state tuition. Guess the reason? William and Mary's facilities are lousy.
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(10-16-2019 11:22 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Matt also said that he had reached the pinnacle for what could be done at William and Mary. That's code for......ain't no money coming my way. No aquatic center, etc.

FWIW, one of my best friends' daughter is a collegiate swimmer a few years back she was offered money at William and Mary, but chose an ACC school, got less money, and parents are paying out of state tuition. Guess the reason? William and Mary's facilities are lousy.

Correct. And when she came in and probably made it clear a new facility was not a priority he decided to leave. That’s not her fault even if she’s the final reason for the departure. It just happened.
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The more that I read the title of this thread, the more I think, that its a great thing.

Where are we? What have we done? How are we perceived among our peer Division I schools?

I think the best one-word answer to our recent status was "middling" and William and Mary is better than that. This place needs a strong kick in the pants. If Huge isnt doing it right, then the next one will. Having the will to improve and change the status quo is fantastic.
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"W&M athletic culture is being turned upside down"
I think all of you make valid points. I think JL and Matt left for similar reasons - they saw something or some things that told them W&M was no longer a great fit and it was time to go. For JL, just time to retire. For Matt, the poor pay and poorer facilities were worth it to remain in W'burg but the new AD and her *vision* may have made the burden undesirable. I'm not forcing the blame--though I have a hunch--just saying a lot of very successful coaches left rather quickly. Matt, Jimmye, Tony, and John out within 2 years. Are the Huge hires more successful? Time will tell. So far, a solid no for WSOC.

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(10-16-2019 01:41 PM)Tribal Wrote:  I think all of you make valid points. I think JL and Matt left for similar reasons - they saw something or some things that told them W&M was no longer a great fit and it was time to go. For JL, just time to retire. For Matt, the poor pay and poorer facilities were worth it to remain in W'burg but the new AD and her *vision* may have made the burden undesirable. I'm not forcing the blame--though I have a hunch--just saying a lot of very successful coaches left rather quickly. Matt, Jimmye, Tony, and John out within 2 years. Are the Huge hires more successful? Time will tell. So far, a solid no for WSOC.

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Certainly a fair take.
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(10-16-2019 12:18 PM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  
(10-16-2019 11:22 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Matt also said that he had reached the pinnacle for what could be done at William and Mary. That's code for......ain't no money coming my way. No aquatic center, etc.

FWIW, one of my best friends' daughter is a collegiate swimmer a few years back she was offered money at William and Mary, but chose an ACC school, got less money, and parents are paying out of state tuition. Guess the reason? William and Mary's facilities are lousy.

Correct. And when she came in and probably made it clear a new facility was not a priority he decided to leave. That’s not her fault even if she’s the final reason for the departure. It just happened.

She was clear about it in the town hall and joked that it could be built if someone donated money. It was definitely on her radar when she showed up though. My gut tells me that it's just a matter of prioritization given the lack of funds and donations. Wait until Friday at her next town hall. I expect to hear about how Kaplan gets paid for.
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(10-16-2019 01:30 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  .... If Huge isnt doing it right, then the next one will.

I agree with this sentiment --- but please tell me how long we have to wait until "the next one" shows up. I was never a Terry Driscoll fan and I was glad when he finally retired. But, from the very beginning, I had reservations about Huge and she has done absolutely nothing to change my mind. In fact, her moves have swiftly moved my opinion in the opposite direction so that now I think that she is a serious hindrance to the college. Sure, I get that maybe the culture needed some changes --- but I don't think that "firing/allowing to leave" the best coaches is the way to change the culture for the better.

Those coaches are gone and will never be back. But we also have athletes/parents (transferring, in revolt, disgruntled, dissatisfied -- pick one) and recruits who have changed their mind about W&M being the place that they want to be. So, in other words, is this new culture that Huge has created and fostered an improvement over the Driscoll culture? I don't think so!
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