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(10-14-2019 04:20 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 03:48 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 09:29 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  ESPN AP Poll reaction for each top 25 team: https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...op-25-team

Boise: "And then there were three. Boise State, SMU and Appalachian State are the only remaining undefeated teams at the Group of 5 level, after Temple's upset of Memphis. The Broncos remain in pole position for a Cotton Bowl bid, but they lost quarterback Hank Bachmeier in the first of Saturday's win against Hawai'i. It's not yet clear how serious the injury is ahead of next week's trip to BYU. But if Bachmeier can't go, it appears the Broncos will be in capable hands: Both backups, Chase Cord and Jaylon Henderson, were effective in relief."

Cincinnati: "It took a bit, but the roll continued for the Bearcats, who have lit the world afire since losing to Ohio State. A pick-six iced an eventually comfortable win. If Luke Fickell's squad can handle a tricky Tulsa team next week, it'll likely head into mid-November with just the Columbus blemish. And the Bearcats are looking so good that their New Year's Six bowl case could be pretty convincing even with the loss."

I think we pass Boise if we both finish undefeated unless they start pulling off 25+ point wins against their opponents. I'm more worried about App State with NC and SC. If they win out they deserve the spot IMO, but I don't think they win both of those games.

We should pass Boise if our only loss is OSU, if OSU remains undefeated. Their schedule is garbage. Cincinnati will possibly have 4 games against top 25 teams by the end of the season. OSU, UCF, AAC Championship game, and I would expect Memphis or Temple to be rated when we play at the end of the season.

While I think we should, I’m beginning to think we we wont get it over an undefeated Boise, even though it would be more deserved. If that happens, it will be interesting to see if they even have a discussion.

Looking forward to the CFP rankings when they release.

Including Houston, the majority of UC’s conference games will be considered garbage. UCLA and Miami U are trash. UCF is really good, Temple and Memphis are too. The AAC championship will be quality as well but Boise State will have similar quality wins too if they run the table.

Are you being serious? Boise State hasn’t played a top 25 team yet this year. Cincinnati has already played 2 Top 25 teams.

Boise State is unlikely to play a single top 25 team all season. Cincinnati will possibly end up playing against 4, but almost assuredly will end up playing against 3.

According to the Strength of schedule I checked, Cincinnati is currently sitting at 15 while Boise State is 73. That is a huge difference.

They also have a single common opponent, Marshall. Boise State won by 7 points, (14-7). Cincinnati won by 38 (52-14). This doesn’t even account for Cincinnati playing Marshall on the road, where as Boise State played them at home.

Sure Cincinnati has a couple of weak opponents, but they are miles ahead of the schedule Boise State has played, or will play.

(10-14-2019 04:56 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 04:20 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Including Houston, the majority of UC’s conference games will be considered garbage. UCLA and Miami U are trash. UCF is really good, Temple and Memphis are too. The AAC championship will be quality as well but Boise State will have similar quality wins too if they run the table.

Are you being serious? Boise State hasn’t played a top 25 team yet this year. Cincinnati has already played 2 Top 25 teams.

Boise State is unlikely to play a single top 25 team all season. Cincinnati will possibly end up playing against 4, but almost assuredly will end up playing against 3.

According to the Strength of schedule I checked, Cincinnati is currently sitting at 15 while Boise State is 73. That is a huge difference.

They also have a single common opponent, Marshall. Boise State won by 7 points, (14-7). Cincinnati won by 38 (52-14). This doesn’t even account for Cincinnati playing Marshall on the road, where as Boise State played them at home.

Sure Cincinnati has a couple of weak opponents, but they are miles ahead of the schedule Boise State has played, or will play.

I agree about Boyzee. Credit to them for consistently winning and winning on a big stage aside, they benefit from being the big fish in a small pond. That said, when they lose [and they will lose at least once] their drop should be noticeable. The CFP rankings will better reflect the points you make above - in particular SOS and comparison of results between common opponents. Of course, Cincinnati has to keep winning as well if we want to try and make our case for a NY6 slot.

(10-14-2019 08:42 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 04:56 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 04:20 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Including Houston, the majority of UC’s conference games will be considered garbage. UCLA and Miami U are trash. UCF is really good, Temple and Memphis are too. The AAC championship will be quality as well but Boise State will have similar quality wins too if they run the table.

Are you being serious? Boise State hasn’t played a top 25 team yet this year. Cincinnati has already played 2 Top 25 teams.

Boise State is unlikely to play a single top 25 team all season. Cincinnati will possibly end up playing against 4, but almost assuredly will end up playing against 3.

According to the Strength of schedule I checked, Cincinnati is currently sitting at 15 while Boise State is 73. That is a huge difference.

They also have a single common opponent, Marshall. Boise State won by 7 points, (14-7). Cincinnati won by 38 (52-14). This doesn’t even account for Cincinnati playing Marshall on the road, where as Boise State played them at home.

Sure Cincinnati has a couple of weak opponents, but they are miles ahead of the schedule Boise State has played, or will play.

I agree about Boyzee. Credit to them for consistently winning and winning on a big stage aside, they benefit from being the big fish in a small pond. That said, when they lose [and they will lose at least once] their drop should be noticeable. The CFP rankings will better reflect the points you make above - in particular SOS and comparison of results between common opponents. Of course, Cincinnati has to keep winning as well if we want to try and make our case for a NY6 slot.

Next four games for UC are SOS killers with UConn being the equivalent of what a sub 300 basketball team did to the RPI. Does anyone here realize that UCLA is likely going 1-11 and UConn will be 0 for Fbs. The AAC might be up but UC doesn’t play SMU, Tulane, or Navy. All three of those teams are way better than UC’s next four opponents.

Boise has to lose or the Ohio State game will keep UC out of the Cotton Bowl. Once again playing that game was stupid. It defines down the program, hurts UC’s bowl chances, and does nothing for the program. Buy games against elite and near elite programs are killers. Buy games in general are bad no matter who the opponent is.

(10-14-2019 08:42 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 04:56 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 04:20 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Including Houston, the majority of UC’s conference games will be considered garbage. UCLA and Miami U are trash. UCF is really good, Temple and Memphis are too. The AAC championship will be quality as well but Boise State will have similar quality wins too if they run the table.

Are you being serious? Boise State hasn’t played a top 25 team yet this year. Cincinnati has already played 2 Top 25 teams.

Boise State is unlikely to play a single top 25 team all season. Cincinnati will possibly end up playing against 4, but almost assuredly will end up playing against 3.

According to the Strength of schedule I checked, Cincinnati is currently sitting at 15 while Boise State is 73. That is a huge difference.

They also have a single common opponent, Marshall. Boise State won by 7 points, (14-7). Cincinnati won by 38 (52-14). This doesn’t even account for Cincinnati playing Marshall on the road, where as Boise State played them at home.

Sure Cincinnati has a couple of weak opponents, but they are miles ahead of the schedule Boise State has played, or will play.

I agree about Boyzee. Credit to them for consistently winning and winning on a big stage aside, they benefit from being the big fish in a small pond. That said, when they lose [and they will lose at least once] their drop should be noticeable. The CFP rankings will better reflect the points you make above - in particular SOS and comparison of results between common opponents. Of course, Cincinnati has to keep winning as well if we want to try and make our case for a NY6 slot.

Yea, if we don’t continue winning it’s all moot anyway.

(10-14-2019 08:58 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 08:42 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 04:56 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Are you being serious? Boise State hasn’t played a top 25 team yet this year. Cincinnati has already played 2 Top 25 teams.

Boise State is unlikely to play a single top 25 team all season. Cincinnati will possibly end up playing against 4, but almost assuredly will end up playing against 3.

According to the Strength of schedule I checked, Cincinnati is currently sitting at 15 while Boise State is 73. That is a huge difference.

They also have a single common opponent, Marshall. Boise State won by 7 points, (14-7). Cincinnati won by 38 (52-14). This doesn’t even account for Cincinnati playing Marshall on the road, where as Boise State played them at home.

Sure Cincinnati has a couple of weak opponents, but they are miles ahead of the schedule Boise State has played, or will play.

I agree about Boyzee. Credit to them for consistently winning and winning on a big stage aside, they benefit from being the big fish in a small pond. That said, when they lose [and they will lose at least once] their drop should be noticeable. The CFP rankings will better reflect the points you make above - in particular SOS and comparison of results between common opponents. Of course, Cincinnati has to keep winning as well if we want to try and make our case for a NY6 slot.

Next four games for UC are SOS killers with UConn being the equivalent of what a sub 300 basketball team did to the RPI. Does anyone here realize that UCLA is likely going 1-11 and UConn will be 0 for Fbs. The AAC might be up but UC doesn’t play SMU, Tulane, or Navy. All three of those teams are way better than UC’s next four opponents.

Boise has to lose or the Ohio State game will keep UC out of the Cotton Bowl. Once again playing that game was stupid. It defines down the program, hurts UC’s bowl chances, and does nothing for the program. Buy games against elite and near elite programs are killers. Buy games in general are bad no matter who the opponent is.

There's no getting around UConn. However, Boyzee has played FCS Portland St and 2-4 UNLV, and will play 2-4 BYU, 3-3 San Jose St, 2-4 New Mexico, and 2-5 Colorado St. Not exactly top shelf programs either. We just need to keep taking care of business until we play a likely ranked Temple team. Win that one and we should be sitting real good going into the Memphis game - they should be ranked by then as well.

(10-14-2019 09:38 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 08:58 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 08:42 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 04:56 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Are you being serious? Boise State hasn’t played a top 25 team yet this year. Cincinnati has already played 2 Top 25 teams.

Boise State is unlikely to play a single top 25 team all season. Cincinnati will possibly end up playing against 4, but almost assuredly will end up playing against 3.

According to the Strength of schedule I checked, Cincinnati is currently sitting at 15 while Boise State is 73. That is a huge difference.

They also have a single common opponent, Marshall. Boise State won by 7 points, (14-7). Cincinnati won by 38 (52-14). This doesn’t even account for Cincinnati playing Marshall on the road, where as Boise State played them at home.

Sure Cincinnati has a couple of weak opponents, but they are miles ahead of the schedule Boise State has played, or will play.

I agree about Boyzee. Credit to them for consistently winning and winning on a big stage aside, they benefit from being the big fish in a small pond. That said, when they lose [and they will lose at least once] their drop should be noticeable. The CFP rankings will better reflect the points you make above - in particular SOS and comparison of results between common opponents. Of course, Cincinnati has to keep winning as well if we want to try and make our case for a NY6 slot.

Next four games for UC are SOS killers with UConn being the equivalent of what a sub 300 basketball team did to the RPI. Does anyone here realize that UCLA is likely going 1-11 and UConn will be 0 for Fbs. The AAC might be up but UC doesn’t play SMU, Tulane, or Navy. All three of those teams are way better than UC’s next four opponents.

Boise has to lose or the Ohio State game will keep UC out of the Cotton Bowl. Once again playing that game was stupid. It defines down the program, hurts UC’s bowl chances, and does nothing for the program. Buy games against elite and near elite programs are killers. Buy games in general are bad no matter who the opponent is.

There's no getting around UConn. However, Boyzee has played FCS Portland St and 2-4 UNLV, and will play 2-4 BYU, 3-3 San Jose St, 2-4 New Mexico, and 2-5 Colorado St. Not exactly top shelf programs either. We just need to keep taking care of business until we play a likely ranked Temple team. Win that one and we should be sitting real good going into the Memphis game - they should be ranked by then as well.

If we continue winning we should definitely face a ranked opponent in the conference championship.

I don’t think it’s even close to debatable that the quality of opponents Cincinnati has faced this far are leagues ahead of what Boise has faced.

I’m not really arguing whether Boise will end up getting the NY6 game if they win out, I’m arguing whether Boise would deserve it. The CFP committee says that precious years don’t matter and schedules do matter. I fully expect they will continue to talk out of both sides of their mouth and ignore those types of statements again as they have in the last whenever it’s convenient.

The good news?

BYU hates Boise State more than anybody else besides Utah. I guarantee that BYU wants this game... maybe they catch BSU sleeping.

(10-14-2019 09:50 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  The good news?

BYU hates Boise State more than anybody else besides Utah. I guarantee that BYU wants this game... maybe they catch BSU sleeping.

Hopefully there's another BYU.

There's a BYU out there that just lost to USF. I hope it's not them playing Boy-z state.

The Athletic's bowl projections - all speculation as always but damn our bowl lineup is trash. Mandel has Boise has the G5 rep and notes "Also, if the American doesn’t send its champion to the New Year’s Six, it’s going to have some Top 25-caliber teams (Cincinnati, SMU, Tulane, etc.) playing in some decidedly non-Top 25 bowls. I made my own fictional “trade” and sent newfound TV brand UCF to a non-contracted bowl"

Dec. 20 | Frisco | Frisco, Texas
SMU (American) vs. Louisiana Tech (C-USA)

Dec. 21 | Cure | Orlando
Memphis (American) vs. Louisiana (Sun Belt)

Dec. 21 | Boca Raton | Boca Raton
Tulane (American) vs. Toledo (MAC)

Dec. 24 | Hawaii | Honolulu
Cincinnati (American) vs. Hawaii (MWC/BYU)

Dec. 27 | Military | Annapolis, Md.
North Carolina (ACC No. 7) vs. Navy (American)

Dec. 31 | Belk | Charlotte
UCF* (SEC Nos. 3-8) vs. Duke (ACC Nos. 3-6)

Jan. 2 | Birmingham | Birmingham, Ala.
Temple (American) vs. UAB* (SEC No. 9)

(10-15-2019 07:52 AM)dubcat14 Wrote:  The Athletic's bowl projections - all speculation as always but damn our bowl lineup is trash. Mandel has Boise has the G5 rep and notes "Also, if the American doesn’t send its champion to the New Year’s Six, it’s going to have some Top 25-caliber teams (Cincinnati, SMU, Tulane, etc.) playing in some decidedly non-Top 25 bowls. I made my own fictional “trade” and sent newfound TV brand UCF to a non-contracted bowl"

Dec. 20 | Frisco | Frisco, Texas
SMU (American) vs. Louisiana Tech (C-USA)

Dec. 21 | Cure | Orlando
Memphis (American) vs. Louisiana (Sun Belt)

Dec. 21 | Boca Raton | Boca Raton
Tulane (American) vs. Toledo (MAC)

Dec. 24 | Hawaii | Honolulu
Cincinnati (American) vs. Hawaii (MWC/BYU)

Dec. 27 | Military | Annapolis, Md.
North Carolina (ACC No. 7) vs. Navy (American)

Dec. 31 | Belk | Charlotte
UCF* (SEC Nos. 3-8) vs. Duke (ACC Nos. 3-6)

Jan. 2 | Birmingham | Birmingham, Ala.
Temple (American) vs. UAB* (SEC No. 9)

what a disaster

(10-15-2019 07:52 AM)dubcat14 Wrote:  The Athletic's bowl projections - all speculation as always but damn our bowl lineup is trash. Mandel has Boise has the G5 rep and notes "Also, if the American doesn’t send its champion to the New Year’s Six, it’s going to have some Top 25-caliber teams (Cincinnati, SMU, Tulane, etc.) playing in some decidedly non-Top 25 bowls. I made my own fictional “trade” and sent newfound TV brand UCF to a non-contracted bowl"

Dec. 20 | Frisco | Frisco, Texas
SMU (American) vs. Louisiana Tech (C-USA)

Dec. 21 | Cure | Orlando
Memphis (American) vs. Louisiana (Sun Belt)

Dec. 21 | Boca Raton | Boca Raton
Tulane (American) vs. Toledo (MAC)

Dec. 24 | Hawaii | Honolulu
Cincinnati (American) vs. Hawaii (MWC/BYU)

Dec. 27 | Military | Annapolis, Md.
North Carolina (ACC No. 7) vs. Navy (American)

Dec. 31 | Belk | Charlotte
UCF* (SEC Nos. 3-8) vs. Duke (ACC Nos. 3-6)

Jan. 2 | Birmingham | Birmingham, Ala.
Temple (American) vs. UAB* (SEC No. 9)

In that scenario, Navy would likely go to Hawai'i,
UCF would go to Annapolis,
And a ranked UC would go to the Belk...

(10-15-2019 08:04 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  In that scenario, Navy would likely go to Hawai'i,
UCF would go to Annapolis,
And a ranked UC would go to the Belk...

I should also note that Mandel says "Missouri — a team I’m projecting to finish 9-3 — is currently not eligible for a bowl game. That really did a number on the SEC’s lower-tier bowls."

That's his reasoning for the AAC to take the SEC bid in Charlotte. I'm curious your reasoning for UC to take the Belk spot over UCF? Higher potential ranking while also marketable? Assuming we don't get the NY6 spot, that'd be the best outcome for the season.

The AAC bowl situation is pretty bad. Next year we have the new Fenway Bowl, which will give us a matchup between the AAC and ACC, though I’m not sure the details such as which place teams will get the invites.

As we continue to differentiate ourselves from the other Group of 5 conferences it’s something that Aresco is going to have to get addressed. ESPN helped set up the Fenway bowl, so hopefully they can help push for better bowl access.

I posted this yesterday on Twitter, UC could wind up 12-1, win the AAC CCG, finish in the Top 15 in the country but lose out the NY6 bowl spot to Boise and be playing in a bowl game against a SBC/CUSA/MAC team. Talk about a kick in the nads for a successful season.

(10-15-2019 08:04 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 07:52 AM)dubcat14 Wrote:  The Athletic's bowl projections - all speculation as always but damn our bowl lineup is trash. Mandel has Boise has the G5 rep and notes "Also, if the American doesn’t send its champion to the New Year’s Six, it’s going to have some Top 25-caliber teams (Cincinnati, SMU, Tulane, etc.) playing in some decidedly non-Top 25 bowls. I made my own fictional “trade” and sent newfound TV brand UCF to a non-contracted bowl"

Dec. 20 | Frisco | Frisco, Texas
SMU (American) vs. Louisiana Tech (C-USA)

Dec. 21 | Cure | Orlando
Memphis (American) vs. Louisiana (Sun Belt)

Dec. 21 | Boca Raton | Boca Raton
Tulane (American) vs. Toledo (MAC)

Dec. 24 | Hawaii | Honolulu
Cincinnati (American) vs. Hawaii (MWC/BYU)

Dec. 27 | Military | Annapolis, Md.
North Carolina (ACC No. 7) vs. Navy (American)

Dec. 31 | Belk | Charlotte
UCF* (SEC Nos. 3-8) vs. Duke (ACC Nos. 3-6)

Jan. 2 | Birmingham | Birmingham, Ala.
Temple (American) vs. UAB* (SEC No. 9)

In that scenario, Navy would likely go to Hawai'i,
UCF would go to Annapolis,
And a ranked UC would go to the Belk...

Bolded, I would agree with your assessment.

However, it's a point well taken that with the American soaring this year, it makes these bowl affiliations look pretty pathetic. But it's early and there may be opportunities to "trade up" as P5 contracts go unfulfilled. But there's no certainty with that.

The AAC Bowls suck for the most part.

Been to Military and would go again.

Been to Birmingham and would go again. Hope they move game to UAB's new stadium in 2021 which is to hold 45-55K

The idea of Fenway Bowl does nothing for me. The sight lines look horrible. It can be damn cold in Boston. It is a fun city to visit but I will pass in winter.

Hawaii, Cure, Gas Bowl, Frisco, etc. are too close to Christmas and are TOILET Bowls. I will pass.

Cincinnati should do a bowl at PBS or GABP. Call it The Skyline Chili Bowl.

(10-15-2019 09:03 AM)doss2 Wrote:  The AAC Bowls suck for the most part.

Been to Military and would go again.

Been to Birmingham and would go again. Hope they move game to UAB's new stadium in 2021 which is to hold 45-55K

The idea of Fenway Bowl does nothing for me. The sight lines look horrible. It can be damn cold in Boston. It is a fun city to visit but I will pass in winter.

Hawaii, Cure, Gas Bowl, Frisco, etc. are too close to Christmas and are TOILET Bowls. I will pass.

Cincinnati should do a bowl at PBS or GABP. Call it The Skyline Chili Bowl.

Like it. The marketing slogan could be, "At long last--football returns to PBS!"

UC wins the league, they get top pick/best bowl game. Likely against power 5 team. Winning the league is the goal.

(10-15-2019 07:52 AM)dubcat14 Wrote:  The Athletic's bowl projections - all speculation as always but damn our bowl lineup is trash. Mandel has Boise has the G5 rep and notes "Also, if the American doesn’t send its champion to the New Year’s Six, it’s going to have some Top 25-caliber teams (Cincinnati, SMU, Tulane, etc.) playing in some decidedly non-Top 25 bowls. I made my own fictional “trade” and sent newfound TV brand UCF to a non-contracted bowl"

Dec. 20 | Frisco | Frisco, Texas
SMU (American) vs. Louisiana Tech (C-USA)

Dec. 21 | Cure | Orlando
Memphis (American) vs. Louisiana (Sun Belt)

Dec. 21 | Boca Raton | Boca Raton
Tulane (American) vs. Toledo (MAC)

Dec. 24 | Hawaii | Honolulu
Cincinnati (American) vs. Hawaii (MWC/BYU)

Dec. 27 | Military | Annapolis, Md.
North Carolina (ACC No. 7) vs. Navy (American)

Dec. 31 | Belk | Charlotte
UCF* (SEC Nos. 3-8) vs. Duke (ACC Nos. 3-6)

Jan. 2 | Birmingham | Birmingham, Ala.
Temple (American) vs. UAB* (SEC No. 9)

Id rather stay at home then play hawaii in hawaii...their fans are terrible.

(10-15-2019 08:27 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I posted this yesterday on Twitter, UC could wind up 12-1, win the AAC CCG, finish in the Top 15 in the country but lose out the NY6 bowl spot to Boise and be playing in a bowl game against a SBC/CUSA/MAC team. Talk about a kick in the nads for a successful season.

In that scenario UC would likely have three wins over ranked teams (some combination of UCF, Temple, Memphis, SMU/Navy/Memphis again/Tulane) w only one loss to what will likely be a playoff team. Tend to doubt the committee slots Boise above us, given how they've treated UCF the last few seasons.