App has an amazing 20 year run going without question. The difference maker and clear outlier in the speculation is the fact that App somehow has had zero coaching turnover during that span. The question is why? No clue but given what the rest of us have experienced the odds of this happening at this level again is unlikely. GS had a similar run with a great coach for an extended period and when change finally occurred the new staff rolled to a national title and coach of the year honors first year. He was fired less than two seasons later. Who knows but this conference is solid top to bottom with programs on the right track.

The biggest difference between college teams that I've seen is coaching. This is amplified at our level. We've seen elite coaching vs. average coaching with the same culture, fans, administration, support, even most of the same players. If you stumble across a great coaching staff you had better pay up or you will pay for it. I guess that means that lots of money buys better coaching to some degree. Any decline may not happen immediately, but it is coming regardless of football culture. This is reality and this is the voice of experience.

I agree coaching is a key ingredient in success. It is very early with App State and Eliah Drinkwitz but it is looking good so far. It will be very interesting to see if he turns out to be better than Satterfield or not.

I felt good about the hire, and so far I am very happy with what I have seen so far from Drinkwitz. Very solid HC hire in my book right now.

I’m interested to see how Drink recruits.

Recruiting is key. Sat was well received in the region. App is well respected in Georgia but with change comes challenges. If Sat is available and willing to help great but App is a legit threat. I kinda doubt he’s Mr Happy willing to give up his network. Drink ain’t a Sat and Moore kinda transition. Sat is competition....

(10-11-2019 07:47 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  Recruiting is key. Sat was well received in the region. App is well respected in Georgia but with change comes challenges. If Sat is available and willing to help great but App is a legit threat. I kinda doubt he’s Mr Happy willing to give up his network. Drink ain’t a Sat and Moore kinda transition. Sat is competition....

Satt is competition for a P5 at this point. Not for us as a G5. We may be able to steal a player or two, but if theyre committed to playing P5, theyre usually committed.

Drink already got Navy Shular to commit. Big time QB get out of NC.

(10-11-2019 08:24 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Drink already got Navy Shular to commit. Big time QB get out of NC.

https://247sports.com/Player/Navy-Shuler-46053052/

First time hearing about this guy. Looks like a good get! Gotta think about whos gonna replace Zac after next year...

The QB Drink got last year may have something to say about who’s next as well.

This class so far looks good. Continue winning and who knows how much better it can get.

(10-11-2019 07:22 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I’m interested to see how Drink recruits.

Winning like App is doing sure helps a coach look like a better recruiter ( most of the time).


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(10-10-2019 08:20 AM)Neers12 Wrote:  

(10-10-2019 08:01 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  Louisiana loses 17-7. App looked good but was aided by some bone head play calls near the goal line. Thought La. looked like a good team but just not enough horses to stay with App, the best in the conference. A shame to say being a State fan but it is the truth. The remaining teams should all be embarrassed that none of us can even be a close second and one has to ask the question "Why not"? USA and Texas State are in good recruiting markets, Louisiana often times fails to live up to its promise/ability, ULM can only look to the occasional ok season, Troy has shown it can get it done, and State has a coaching problem that it can't overcome. Long term, one has to think that App, GS and Ga State offers more promise to its fans. Coastal is a longer term bet for success.

I mean this in no disrespect because I like being in the sun belt for now. But culture is what separates us. Before you guys call me a troll here me out. We and Georgia Southern have a proven consistent history that no one in the sun belt has. App has an advantage that no one has. We are not in the shadows of big p5 teams. No App fans are also UNC or NC State football fans. We have a massive fan base. Best gameday atmosphere. Trophies galore. Losing seasons once every 20 years or so. We keep players for 4 years. No juco transfers or any of that mess. Our recruits are consistently ranked lower than most of yours..but when you put players in a program like this it grows.

I think culture is maybe the #1 factor in determining consistent success. When you play in an old tragedy stadium (like many sun belt teams) have an all time losing record (like many sun belt teams), no fans and live in SEC country....its extremely hard.

Yes Louisiana is closest this year...but most teams in this league are only good 1-4 years at a time. App has had double digit win seasons in 10 of the last 14 years and 10 conference titles....10 of the last 12 if you take away fcs/CBS transitional seasons with no postseason in play. I would think Arkansas State and maybe Louisiana are the only old guard who could learn sustained success...but Louisiana is hard with LSU right there.

This post is absolutely brilliant!!!
Good job.

(10-12-2019 11:34 AM)AppAlum1 Wrote:  

(10-10-2019 08:20 AM)Neers12 Wrote:  [quote='Florida RedWolf' pid='16360041' dateline='1570712517']
Louisiana loses 17-7. App looked good but was aided by some bone head play calls near the goal line. Thought La. looked like a good team but just not enough horses to stay with App, the best in the conference. A shame to say being a State fan but it is the truth. The remaining teams should all be embarrassed that none of us can even be a close second and one has to ask the question "Why not"? USA and Texas State are in good recruiting markets, Louisiana often times fails to live up to its promise/ability, ULM can only look to the occasional ok season, Troy has shown it can get it done, and State has a coaching problem that it can't overcome. Long term, one has to think that App, GS and Ga State offers more promise to its fans. Coastal is a longer term bet for success.
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I mean this in no disrespect because I like being in the sun belt for now. But culture is what separates us. Before you guys call me a troll here me out. We and Georgia Southern have a proven consistent history that no one in the sun belt has. App has an advantage that no one has. We are not in the shadows of big p5 teams. No App fans are also UNC or NC State football fans. We have a massive fan base. Best gameday atmosphere. Trophies galore. Losing seasons once every 20 years or so. We keep players for 4 years. No juco transfers or any of that mess. Our recruits are consistently ranked lower than most of yours..but when you put players in a program like this it grows.

I think culture is maybe the #1 factor in determining consistent success. When you play in an old tragedy stadium (like many sun belt teams) have an all time losing record (like many sun belt teams), no fans and live in SEC country....its extremely hard.

Yes Louisiana is closest this year...but most teams in this league are only good 1-4 years at a time. App has had double digit win seasons in 10 of the last 14 years and 10 conference titles....10 of the last 12 if you take away fcs/CBS transitional seasons with no postseason in play. I would think Arkansas State and maybe Louisiana are the only old guard who could learn sustained success...but Louisiana is hard with LSU right there.

This post is absolutely brilliant!!!
Good job.

May be brilliant but not accurate. Where are the many old tragedy stadiums that supposedly the SunBelt has? Only two possible and the oldest is being corrected at this moment in time. App has a good team but the fans should not rag on others stadiums given that it is certainly not in the top tier of SBC stadiums.

(10-11-2019 08:30 PM)FTE_rawr Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 08:24 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Drink already got Navy Shular to commit. Big time QB get out of NC.

https://247sports.com/Player/Navy-Shuler-46053052/

First time hearing about this guy. Looks like a good get! Gotta think about whos gonna replace Zac after next year...

Kid has a lot of offers, but not all of them were committable. Primarily because he's a little undersized. Kid's got good genes.though. Dad was a NC high school and univ of Tenn legend. Hope he turns out to be all he's hyped to be.

(10-16-2019 08:10 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(10-12-2019 11:34 AM)AppAlum1 Wrote:  

(10-10-2019 08:20 AM)Neers12 Wrote:  [quote='Florida RedWolf' pid='16360041' dateline='1570712517']
Louisiana loses 17-7. App looked good but was aided by some bone head play calls near the goal line. Thought La. looked like a good team but just not enough horses to stay with App, the best in the conference. A shame to say being a State fan but it is the truth. The remaining teams should all be embarrassed that none of us can even be a close second and one has to ask the question "Why not"? USA and Texas State are in good recruiting markets, Louisiana often times fails to live up to its promise/ability, ULM can only look to the occasional ok season, Troy has shown it can get it done, and State has a coaching problem that it can't overcome. Long term, one has to think that App, GS and Ga State offers more promise to its fans. Coastal is a longer term bet for success.
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I mean this in no disrespect because I like being in the sun belt for now. But culture is what separates us. Before you guys call me a troll here me out. We and Georgia Southern have a proven consistent history that no one in the sun belt has. App has an advantage that no one has. We are not in the shadows of big p5 teams. No App fans are also UNC or NC State football fans. We have a massive fan base. Best gameday atmosphere. Trophies galore. Losing seasons once every 20 years or so. We keep players for 4 years. No juco transfers or any of that mess. Our recruits are consistently ranked lower than most of yours..but when you put players in a program like this it grows.

I think culture is maybe the #1 factor in determining consistent success. When you play in an old tragedy stadium (like many sun belt teams) have an all time losing record (like many sun belt teams), no fans and live in SEC country....its extremely hard.

Yes Louisiana is closest this year...but most teams in this league are only good 1-4 years at a time. App has had double digit win seasons in 10 of the last 14 years and 10 conference titles....10 of the last 12 if you take away fcs/CBS transitional seasons with no postseason in play. I would think Arkansas State and maybe Louisiana are the only old guard who could learn sustained success...but Louisiana is hard with LSU right there.

This post is absolutely brilliant!!!
Good job.

May be brilliant but not accurate. Where are the many old tragedy stadiums that supposedly the SunBelt has? Only two possible and the oldest is being corrected at this moment in time. App has a good team but the fans should not rag on others stadiums given that it is certainly not in the top tier of SBC stadiums.

Well I'm not going to name names to cause riots...but App is undoubtedly in the top tier of the sun belt...and any deficiencies that exist in architecture or lack of water features are more than made up for by the place being packed and the unmatched atmosphere. I was getting at the tragic stadiums that are also empty. That is what looks minor league to recruits. No one, fan or recruit will visit App or Ga Southern and say...this doesnt feel big time. Other teams....some are really good sometimes....some are really bad sometimes. That's up to the fans how they feel about their school...but to non sunbelt fans and recruits...its very noticeable.

But of course there are great stadiums in the Sun Belt....probably Texas State and Troy would be great, App State, Ga Southern, Arkansas State and Lousiana in the next tier strictly looking at construction and architectural appeal.

(10-16-2019 08:52 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  

(10-16-2019 08:10 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(10-12-2019 11:34 AM)AppAlum1 Wrote:  

(10-10-2019 08:20 AM)Neers12 Wrote:  [quote='Florida RedWolf' pid='16360041' dateline='1570712517']
Louisiana loses 17-7. App looked good but was aided by some bone head play calls near the goal line. Thought La. looked like a good team but just not enough horses to stay with App, the best in the conference. A shame to say being a State fan but it is the truth. The remaining teams should all be embarrassed that none of us can even be a close second and one has to ask the question "Why not"? USA and Texas State are in good recruiting markets, Louisiana often times fails to live up to its promise/ability, ULM can only look to the occasional ok season, Troy has shown it can get it done, and State has a coaching problem that it can't overcome. Long term, one has to think that App, GS and Ga State offers more promise to its fans. Coastal is a longer term bet for success.
[/qu


I mean this in no disrespect because I like being in the sun belt for now. But culture is what separates us. Before you guys call me a troll here me out. We and Georgia Southern have a proven consistent history that no one in the sun belt has. App has an advantage that no one has. We are not in the shadows of big p5 teams. No App fans are also UNC or NC State football fans. We have a massive fan base. Best gameday atmosphere. Trophies galore. Losing seasons once every 20 years or so. We keep players for 4 years. No juco transfers or any of that mess. Our recruits are consistently ranked lower than most of yours..but when you put players in a program like this it grows.

I think culture is maybe the #1 factor in determining consistent success. When you play in an old tragedy stadium (like many sun belt teams) have an all time losing record (like many sun belt teams), no fans and live in SEC country....its extremely hard.

Yes Louisiana is closest this year...but most teams in this league are only good 1-4 years at a time. App has had double digit win seasons in 10 of the last 14 years and 10 conference titles....10 of the last 12 if you take away fcs/CBS transitional seasons with no postseason in play. I would think Arkansas State and maybe Louisiana are the only old guard who could learn sustained success...but Louisiana is hard with LSU right there.

This post is absolutely brilliant!!!
Good job.

May be brilliant but not accurate. Where are the many old tragedy stadiums that supposedly the SunBelt has? Only two possible and the oldest is being corrected at this moment in time. App has a good team but the fans should not rag on others stadiums given that it is certainly not in the top tier of SBC stadiums.

Well I'm not going to name names to cause riots...but App is undoubtedly in the top tier of the sun belt...and any deficiencies that exist in architecture or lack of water features are more than made up for by the place being packed and the unmatched atmosphere. I was getting at the tragic stadiums that are also empty. That is what looks minor league to recruits. No one, fan or recruit will visit App or Ga Southern and say...this doesnt feel big time. Other teams....some are really good sometimes....some are really bad sometimes. That's up to the fans how they feel about their school...but to non sunbelt fans and recruits...its very noticeable.

But of course there are great stadiums in the Sun Belt....probably Texas State and Troy would be great, App State, Ga Southern, Arkansas State and Lousiana in the next tier strictly looking at construction and architectural appeal.

Paulson is a ditch though

(10-11-2019 07:47 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  Recruiting is key. Sat was well received in the region. App is well respected in Georgia but with change comes challenges. If Sat is available and willing to help great but App is a legit threat. I kinda doubt he’s Mr Happy willing to give up his network. Drink ain’t a Sat and Moore kinda transition. Sat is competition....

App lost a long time GA connection when Sloan left for GASo. Only two players currently committed from GA. We're undergoing somewhat of a shift in recruiting. Not giving up on GA by any means, but seeing more emphasis on NC, SC and now moving into VA. You can never get completely out of FL, but think it will become less of a producer for us. OC under Satterfield was from Miami and basically spent the entire summer there living with family and recruiting. It really paid off. To date we have zero players committed from the Sunshine state and to my knowledge are only seriously pursuing 1 player there.

App is on top of the mountain right now, no doubt. (and pun completely intended) But they were already a great program upon entering the Sun Belt. It's not like a start up. I think the biggest concern for App could be stability. Satterfield stayed a few years longer, probably out of loyalty and love for App and Boone. What happens if Drink leaves after a year or even 2 or 3? Not saying their program would fall apart, they are much too strong for that, but they could see some drop off. Just like Ga So when Fritz left for Tulane, and what Troy is going through. As for stAte , fans are always debating about what could have been if Gus had stayed a few years.

(10-16-2019 10:59 PM)Rik Flair Wrote:  App is on top of the mountain right now, no doubt. (and pun completely intended) But they were already a great program upon entering the Sun Belt. It's not like a start up. I think the biggest concern for App could be stability. Satterfield stayed a few years longer, probably out of loyalty and love for App and Boone. What happens if Drink leaves after a year or even 2 or 3? Not saying their program would fall apart, they are much too strong for that, but they could see some drop off. Just like Ga So when Fritz left for Tulane, and what Troy is going through. As for stAte , fans are always debating about what could have been if Gus had stayed a few years.

Until we get a bigger budget/conference invite, its a way of life. Though App seems to be a destination of choice for potential G5 coaches.

(10-16-2019 08:52 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  

(10-16-2019 08:10 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(10-12-2019 11:34 AM)AppAlum1 Wrote:  

(10-10-2019 08:20 AM)Neers12 Wrote:  [quote='Florida RedWolf' pid='16360041' dateline='1570712517']
Louisiana loses 17-7. App looked good but was aided by some bone head play calls near the goal line. Thought La. looked like a good team but just not enough horses to stay with App, the best in the conference. A shame to say being a State fan but it is the truth. The remaining teams should all be embarrassed that none of us can even be a close second and one has to ask the question "Why not"? USA and Texas State are in good recruiting markets, Louisiana often times fails to live up to its promise/ability, ULM can only look to the occasional ok season, Troy has shown it can get it done, and State has a coaching problem that it can't overcome. Long term, one has to think that App, GS and Ga State offers more promise to its fans. Coastal is a longer term bet for success.
[/qu


I mean this in no disrespect because I like being in the sun belt for now. But culture is what separates us. Before you guys call me a troll here me out. We and Georgia Southern have a proven consistent history that no one in the sun belt has. App has an advantage that no one has. We are not in the shadows of big p5 teams. No App fans are also UNC or NC State football fans. We have a massive fan base. Best gameday atmosphere. Trophies galore. Losing seasons once every 20 years or so. We keep players for 4 years. No juco transfers or any of that mess. Our recruits are consistently ranked lower than most of yours..but when you put players in a program like this it grows.

I think culture is maybe the #1 factor in determining consistent success. When you play in an old tragedy stadium (like many sun belt teams) have an all time losing record (like many sun belt teams), no fans and live in SEC country....its extremely hard.

Yes Louisiana is closest this year...but most teams in this league are only good 1-4 years at a time. App has had double digit win seasons in 10 of the last 14 years and 10 conference titles....10 of the last 12 if you take away fcs/CBS transitional seasons with no postseason in play. I would think Arkansas State and maybe Louisiana are the only old guard who could learn sustained success...but Louisiana is hard with LSU right there.

This post is absolutely brilliant!!!
Good job.

May be brilliant but not accurate. Where are the many old tragedy stadiums that supposedly the SunBelt has? Only two possible and the oldest is being corrected at this moment in time. App has a good team but the fans should not rag on others stadiums given that it is certainly not in the top tier of SBC stadiums.

Well I'm not going to name names to cause riots...but App is undoubtedly in the top tier of the sun belt...and any deficiencies that exist in architecture or lack of water features are more than made up for by the place being packed and the unmatched atmosphere. I was getting at the tragic stadiums that are also empty. That is what looks minor league to recruits. No one, fan or recruit will visit App or Ga Southern and say...this doesnt feel big time. Other teams....some are really good sometimes....some are really bad sometimes. That's up to the fans how they feel about their school...but to non sunbelt fans and recruits...its very noticeable.

But of course there are great stadiums in the Sun Belt....probably Texas State and Troy would be great, App State, Ga Southern, Arkansas State and Lousiana in the next tier strictly looking at construction and architectural appeal.

So, old tragic stadiums now refers to attendance? App is doing
well now and is currently at the top of the conference. But you also need to understand that most teams in the belt have been on top in past years. You are there now with no guarantee regarding the future. At some point, you will see a fall off in Boone as well. Don't get too much of a big head. Every dog has his day in the sun

(10-16-2019 08:10 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(10-12-2019 11:34 AM)AppAlum1 Wrote:  

(10-10-2019 08:20 AM)Neers12 Wrote:  [quote='Florida RedWolf' pid='16360041' dateline='1570712517']
Louisiana loses 17-7. App looked good but was aided by some bone head play calls near the goal line. Thought La. looked like a good team but just not enough horses to stay with App, the best in the conference. A shame to say being a State fan but it is the truth. The remaining teams should all be embarrassed that none of us can even be a close second and one has to ask the question "Why not"? USA and Texas State are in good recruiting markets, Louisiana often times fails to live up to its promise/ability, ULM can only look to the occasional ok season, Troy has shown it can get it done, and State has a coaching problem that it can't overcome. Long term, one has to think that App, GS and Ga State offers more promise to its fans. Coastal is a longer term bet for success.
[/qu


I mean this in no disrespect because I like being in the sun belt for now. But culture is what separates us. Before you guys call me a troll here me out. We and Georgia Southern have a proven consistent history that no one in the sun belt has. App has an advantage that no one has. We are not in the shadows of big p5 teams. No App fans are also UNC or NC State football fans. We have a massive fan base. Best gameday atmosphere. Trophies galore. Losing seasons once every 20 years or so. We keep players for 4 years. No juco transfers or any of that mess. Our recruits are consistently ranked lower than most of yours..but when you put players in a program like this it grows.

I think culture is maybe the #1 factor in determining consistent success. When you play in an old tragedy stadium (like many sun belt teams) have an all time losing record (like many sun belt teams), no fans and live in SEC country....its extremely hard.

Yes Louisiana is closest this year...but most teams in this league are only good 1-4 years at a time. App has had double digit win seasons in 10 of the last 14 years and 10 conference titles....10 of the last 12 if you take away fcs/CBS transitional seasons with no postseason in play. I would think Arkansas State and maybe Louisiana are the only old guard who could learn sustained success...but Louisiana is hard with LSU right there.

This post is absolutely brilliant!!!
Good job.

May be brilliant but not accurate. Where are the many old tragedy stadiums that supposedly the SunBelt has? Only two possible and the oldest is being corrected at this moment in time. App has a good team but the fans should not rag on others stadiums given that it is certainly not in the top tier of SBC stadiums.

It is absolutely accurate. You missed the point COMPLETELY. It's the CULTURE of the program that makes the difference. THAT is what App. State has. It has little to do with coaches, stadiums, conference affiliations, etc., although that is PART of it.

Culture includes a long-term winning tradition, an expectation of winning, fans who are passionate about the program and who know the game, a game-day atmosphere that is electric, organized tailgating efforts by lots of alums, and other intangibles.

Schools who lack "culture" include UNC. I said that based on my recent experience at Kenan Stadium where I saw many fans more interested in the cell phones than in watching the game, poor efforts at tailgating (lunchmeats? REALLY?), the TarHeel fans rarely managed an organized cheer ("Tar ... Heel"), and after the game Tar Heel radio announcers blamed the loss on their team's obvious defects, rather than on the winning team's effort. I could go on & on.

Culture is important. App. State has worked hard & diligently to build its football culture over many, many years. Other schools don't have it.