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Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
Just curious on everyone’s thoughts are. I’m not sure how much leverage they’d even have to help them.
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Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
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RE: Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
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RE: Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
Even if they wanted to, UF and FSU are 1 vote in a 14 team conference. I dont think you will see many situations anymore like the Gov of VA was able to pull off
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RE: Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
(09-20-2019 09:25 PM)solohawks Wrote: Even if they wanted to, UF and FSU are 1 vote in a 14 team conference. I dont think you will see many situations anymore like the Gov of VA was able to pull off
Even in that situation, there has to be a an invite!
So no...
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RE: Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
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RE: Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
ACC could trade Miami Flo with USF and Big 12 can trade Baylor for UCF. Both Baylor and Miami been given their conferences black eyes with the illegal acts done by their players, coaches, boasters, ADs and the school leaders overall.
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RE: Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
(09-20-2019 09:25 PM)solohawks Wrote: Even if they wanted to, UF and FSU are 1 vote in a 14 team conference.
FSU and Miami are 2 votes in a 15 team conference (ND is a full member even though football is excluded). And it takes 12 votes to add new members, so FSU/Miami only need 2 friends to block.
Quote:I dont think you will see many situations anymore like the Gov of VA was able to pull off
I don't think you'll see any. It was a fiasco that everyone learned from. No vote for expansion will happen again without the conference knowing the outcome in advance.
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RE: Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
Maybe if they threaten to send Florida Man to Big 12 headquarters if they don't invite UCF/USF
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RE: Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
(09-20-2019 10:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote: ACC could trade Miami Flo with USF and Big 12 can trade Baylor for UCF. Both Baylor and Miami been given their conferences black eyes with the illegal acts done by their players, coaches, boasters, ADs and the school leaders overall.
This trifling...
I can't even...
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Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
Are you serious? No.
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RE: Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
The Florida legislature would best help USF out the most by assisting with the cash to build an on-campus stadium, or facilitate getting the MOSI property on the SW corner of Fowler Ave/50th St., as it is 80 acres across from the campus with a pedistrian bridge already across Fowler connecting the property to campus.
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RE: Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
the most they could do is mandate that all state supported D1-A schools have to be in the same conference (and then threaten funding if they are not)
that is HIGHLY unrealistic to ever happen and there would definitely be challenges in court, but I don't think there is anything the courts could really do to stop it
of course the problem with that is you only get 6 teams and you have to then define what "better" is.....would Florida, Free Shoes, FAU, FIU, USF and UCF be better than what USF and UCF are in now.......possibly at first, but definitely not for long when all the recruiting for all those programs goes to hell
along with that they still need to find two more teams to meet the NCAA mandate of 8 and while they could easily get some CUSA members or possibly some AAC members to join up from there you have to ask yet again is that better than the current AAC....and even if it was thought to be at first long term it would be a disaster
there is nothing that is going to be done legislatively by the states or feds to force conference membership things just do not work like that......states do not control conferences with members spread throughout various states and there is nothing against the law about freedom of association and people that talk about "cartels" or "anti-trust" clearly have no idea what means or how that works
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RE: Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
(09-20-2019 11:16 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote: the most they could do is mandate that all state supported D1-A schools have to be in the same conference (and then threaten funding if they are not)
that is HIGHLY unrealistic to ever happen and there would definitely be challenges in court, but I don't think there is anything the courts could really do to stop it
of course the problem with that is you only get 6 teams and you have to then define what "better" is.....would Florida, Free Shoes, FAU, FIU, USF and UCF be better than what USF and UCF are in now.......possibly at first, but definitely not for long when all the recruiting for all those programs goes to hell
along with that they still need to find two more teams to meet the NCAA mandate of 8 and while they could easily get some CUSA members or possibly some AAC members to join up from there you have to ask yet again is that better than the current AAC....and even if it was thought to be at first long term it would be a disaster
there is nothing that is going to be done legislatively by the states or feds to force conference membership things just do not work like that......states do not control conferences with members spread throughout various states and there is nothing against the law about freedom of association and people that talk about "cartels" or "anti-trust" clearly have no idea what means or how that works
How.does.that.force.a.conference.to.invite.them.
??!!!!!!??????
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RE: Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
(09-20-2019 11:27 PM)panama Wrote: (09-20-2019 11:16 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote: the most they could do is mandate that all state supported D1-A schools have to be in the same conference (and then threaten funding if they are not)
that is HIGHLY unrealistic to ever happen and there would definitely be challenges in court, but I don't think there is anything the courts could really do to stop it
of course the problem with that is you only get 6 teams and you have to then define what "better" is.....would Florida, Free Shoes, FAU, FIU, USF and UCF be better than what USF and UCF are in now.......possibly at first, but definitely not for long when all the recruiting for all those programs goes to hell
along with that they still need to find two more teams to meet the NCAA mandate of 8 and while they could easily get some CUSA members or possibly some AAC members to join up from there you have to ask yet again is that better than the current AAC....and even if it was thought to be at first long term it would be a disaster
there is nothing that is going to be done legislatively by the states or feds to force conference membership things just do not work like that......states do not control conferences with members spread throughout various states and there is nothing against the law about freedom of association and people that talk about "cartels" or "anti-trust" clearly have no idea what means or how that works
How.does.that.force.a.conference.to.invite.them.
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well the question was not could the legislature force a conference to admit USF and UCF
this is the question that was ask "Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?"
and the answer is the only thing the Florida legislature could do is try and create a "better" conference by forcing all 6 D1-A public schools into Florida into the same (new) conference
then the debate is "is that conference better" and would they find two other schools from outside of Florida to join
and that is debatable especially on the first part
but the question did not ask about forcing a conference to admit USF and UCF
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RE: Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
You hit those Florida bath salts today huh
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Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF better conference?
(09-20-2019 11:35 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote: the most they could do is mandate that all state supported D1-A schools have to be in the same conference (and then threaten funding if they are not)
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RE: Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
(09-20-2019 11:35 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote: (09-20-2019 11:27 PM)panama Wrote: (09-20-2019 11:16 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote: the most they could do is mandate that all state supported D1-A schools have to be in the same conference (and then threaten funding if they are not)
that is HIGHLY unrealistic to ever happen and there would definitely be challenges in court, but I don't think there is anything the courts could really do to stop it
of course the problem with that is you only get 6 teams and you have to then define what "better" is.....would Florida, Free Shoes, FAU, FIU, USF and UCF be better than what USF and UCF are in now.......possibly at first, but definitely not for long when all the recruiting for all those programs goes to hell
along with that they still need to find two more teams to meet the NCAA mandate of 8 and while they could easily get some CUSA members or possibly some AAC members to join up from there you have to ask yet again is that better than the current AAC....and even if it was thought to be at first long term it would be a disaster
there is nothing that is going to be done legislatively by the states or feds to force conference membership things just do not work like that......states do not control conferences with members spread throughout various states and there is nothing against the law about freedom of association and people that talk about "cartels" or "anti-trust" clearly have no idea what means or how that works
How.does.that.force.a.conference.to.invite.them.
??!!!!!!??????
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well the question was not could the legislature force a conference to admit USF and UCF
this is the question that was ask "Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?"
and the answer is the only thing the Florida legislature could do is try and create a "better" conference by forcing all 6 D1-A public schools into Florida into the same (new) conference
then the debate is "is that conference better" and would they find two other schools from outside of Florida to join
and that is debatable especially on the first part
but the question did not ask about forcing a conference to admit USF and UCF
No, they couldn't do that either...
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RE: Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
(09-21-2019 05:30 AM)panama Wrote: (09-20-2019 11:35 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote: (09-20-2019 11:27 PM)panama Wrote: (09-20-2019 11:16 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote: the most they could do is mandate that all state supported D1-A schools have to be in the same conference (and then threaten funding if they are not)
that is HIGHLY unrealistic to ever happen and there would definitely be challenges in court, but I don't think there is anything the courts could really do to stop it
of course the problem with that is you only get 6 teams and you have to then define what "better" is.....would Florida, Free Shoes, FAU, FIU, USF and UCF be better than what USF and UCF are in now.......possibly at first, but definitely not for long when all the recruiting for all those programs goes to hell
along with that they still need to find two more teams to meet the NCAA mandate of 8 and while they could easily get some CUSA members or possibly some AAC members to join up from there you have to ask yet again is that better than the current AAC....and even if it was thought to be at first long term it would be a disaster
there is nothing that is going to be done legislatively by the states or feds to force conference membership things just do not work like that......states do not control conferences with members spread throughout various states and there is nothing against the law about freedom of association and people that talk about "cartels" or "anti-trust" clearly have no idea what means or how that works
How.does.that.force.a.conference.to.invite.them.
??!!!!!!??????
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well the question was not could the legislature force a conference to admit USF and UCF
this is the question that was ask "Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?"
and the answer is the only thing the Florida legislature could do is try and create a "better" conference by forcing all 6 D1-A public schools into Florida into the same (new) conference
then the debate is "is that conference better" and would they find two other schools from outside of Florida to join
and that is debatable especially on the first part
but the question did not ask about forcing a conference to admit USF and UCF
No, they couldn't do that either...
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Would this conference allow for FAMU to make another run at FBS status and provide a home for the job-football D1 pubkics?
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RE: Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?
It looks like the opinion of the board is a decidedly no.
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