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Playoff hopes dead.... looks like the usual SEC CCG reps plus Clemson and OSU/Wisconsin/UT/OU. Dare I say 3 SEC teams?
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Well we were speculating whether they could handle a succession of 5 P games that they might have in conference play if they were promoted. They played 2 middling P programs at best back to back and are 1-1. Winning successive P games is very hard for most P programs so it doesn't mean you wouldn't belong. But it does illustrate how difficult it really is.
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(09-21-2019 07:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well we were speculating whether they could handle a succession of 5 P games that they might have in conference play if they were promoted. They played 2 middling P programs at best back to back and are 1-1. Winning successive P games is very hard for most P programs so it doesn't mean you wouldn't belong. But it does illustrate how difficult it really is.

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(09-21-2019 06:27 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  this thread aged about as well as a chunk of VELVEETA stuffed in an old gym sock and tossed in the corner of a dirty locker room shower

Well pitt seemed to be celebrating like they had just beaten Ohio st.
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(09-21-2019 11:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-21-2019 06:27 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  this thread aged about as well as a chunk of VELVEETA stuffed in an old gym sock and tossed in the corner of a dirty locker room shower

Well pitt seemed to be celebrating like they had just beaten Ohio st.

That was a good win for Pitt.
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(09-20-2019 10:34 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-20-2019 10:12 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-19-2019 08:56 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  According to one talking head on an AAC game. The other guy tried to real him back by saying maybe in the SEC East.

UCF is clearly better than Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt. So there wouldn't even be a debate if he'd said "3rd best in the SEC East."

2nd best is debatable, but not that controversial. UCF currently ranked 6 spots behind Florida, which is basically a crapshoot at this point in the season.

"Better than Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt" does not mean UCF would go 5-0 against those teams every year if they were in the SEC East.

Look at Utah and TCU as examples. In their best MWC years, they were arguably better than UCF has been the past two years. They've done well in the Pac-12 and Big 12, but they're not winning 10 or 11 games almost every year as they did in the MWC.

Well.

Utah also in Utah....

UCF is in a state that has a big population, warm weather, and loves football.

If UCF was in the SEC with a 30+ million dollar TV deal and being in Orlando. They probably would do well.
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(09-21-2019 07:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well we were speculating whether they could handle a succession of 5 P games that they might have in conference play if they were promoted. They played 2 middling P programs at best back to back and are 1-1. Winning successive P games is very hard for most P programs so it doesn't mean you wouldn't belong. But it does illustrate how difficult it really is.

As they stand now.

But if they were in a p5 conference they would have more talent.

Not really fair to use their current situation.
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(09-22-2019 02:47 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(09-21-2019 07:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well we were speculating whether they could handle a succession of 5 P games that they might have in conference play if they were promoted. They played 2 middling P programs at best back to back and are 1-1. Winning successive P games is very hard for most P programs so it doesn't mean you wouldn't belong. But it does illustrate how difficult it really is.

As they stand now.

But if they were in a p5 conference they would have more talent.

Not really fair to use their current situation.

If they were already in a P5 they would be suffering the same attrition as everyone else in the P5 and that was my point. They played an inferior team on the road after getting into a pounding the week before which they won handily. The bodies, even of 20 year olds, don't just get over an event requiring great physical stress in a week, especially with practice in between. Auburn had to rest 3 key players against Tulane just to be at full strength against A&M. Next week we'll take a physical pounding from a beefy Miss State squad and the following week we'll be in the Swamp at Gainesville. And that is the difference. Sure Miss State may win 6 games this year, but their OLine and DLine will inflict punishment against everyone they play.

Winning and losing at the P level frequently relates to skilled positions, because everyone has massive lines. That's not quite as true for the G5. The reason most years the P5 have such a high winning % against the G5 is the size of the two lines, not necessarily the skill. positions.
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(09-22-2019 02:47 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(09-21-2019 07:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well we were speculating whether they could handle a succession of 5 P games that they might have in conference play if they were promoted. They played 2 middling P programs at best back to back and are 1-1. Winning successive P games is very hard for most P programs so it doesn't mean you wouldn't belong. But it does illustrate how difficult it really is.

As they stand now.

But if they were in a p5 conference they would have more talent.

Not really fair to use their current situation.

Maybe so. Probably so. But, that's not the argument that UCF fans and other supporters the past two years have been making. They've said that *these* UCF teams, the actual 2017 and 2018 and 2019 teams that are not in a P5 conference, should have been in or (this year) in the running for a CFP playoff spot.

And they shouldn't have.
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Quote:Dare I say 3 SEC teams?

No, won't happen - lol. You'd need the stars to align + others being pretty disappointing.

And if a P12 or B1G or B12 team is undefeated -- there's no way they'll be denied the 4 team playoff (unless all 5 P5 Champs are undefeated).z

But I would hope sooner than later that an undefeated P12 team with a shoddy OOC schedule due to mixups becomes undefeated in a down year for the conference -- and a #2 SEC team ranked above them gets picked instead.

Denying an undefeated P5 Champ will make a 6 team (or 8 team) playoff happen Real Fast.
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(09-22-2019 05:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-22-2019 02:47 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(09-21-2019 07:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well we were speculating whether they could handle a succession of 5 P games that they might have in conference play if they were promoted. They played 2 middling P programs at best back to back and are 1-1. Winning successive P games is very hard for most P programs so it doesn't mean you wouldn't belong. But it does illustrate how difficult it really is.

As they stand now.

But if they were in a p5 conference they would have more talent.

Not really fair to use their current situation.

Maybe so. Probably so. But, that's not the argument that UCF fans and other supporters the past two years have been making. They've said that *these* UCF teams, the actual 2017 and 2018 and 2019 teams that are not in a P5 conference, should have been in or (this year) in the running for a CFP playoff spot.

And they shouldn't have.

That last Milton led team deserved consideration IMO. They were very good before he was injured. But you never know if you don't play.
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(09-23-2019 12:12 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  
Quote:Dare I say 3 SEC teams?

No, won't happen - lol. You'd need the stars to align + others being pretty disappointing.

And if a P12 or B1G or B12 team is undefeated -- there's no way they'll be denied the 4 team playoff (unless all 5 P5 Champs are undefeated).z

But I would hope sooner than later that an undefeated P12 team with a shoddy OOC schedule due to mixups becomes undefeated in a down year for the conference -- and a #2 SEC team ranked above them gets picked instead.

Denying an undefeated P5 Champ will make a 6 team (or 8 team) playoff happen Real Fast.

Ohio State will play Wisconsin. I think the winner of that game will have the inside track to 1 slot.

Clemson is not going to be challenged the remainder of the way. There's you #1 slot.

If Texas beats Oklahoma they'll have to beat them twice. So unless Texas stumbles again or Oklahoma loses twice the Big 12 should produce no worse than a 1 loss team and the Sooners could go undefeated.

Cal is the lone remaining unbeaten in the PAC and they other contenders all have bad loses except for Oregon. It's very likely right now that the PAC will not produce a contender.

I suppose the SEC could get two in but in order to do that one would need to be unbeaten and the other preferably unbeaten headed into the CCG. And the schedule is brutal.

Right now there are 5 in the top 10. Alabama doesn't play Georgia or Florida. But they will play L.S.U. and Auburn.

Florida plays L.S.U. and Auburn.

Auburn plays them all: L.S.U., Florida, Georgia, and Alabama.

For the SEC to get a shot at 2 this year Alabama would have to run the table and face Georgia in the CCG and both of them be unbeaten. And then Alabama would have to beat Georgia and do so in a close game.

Alabama doesn't have quality opponents OOC or really in conference. They played a weak South Carolina and will play an even weaker Tennessee. They will catch Arkansas and Ole Miss on a down year.

If they lose to Georgia in the CCG I don't think the committee will let them in. Georgia will (if they go unbeaten) have had wins over Florida, Auburn and Notre Dame and will have played all three before Auburn faces Alabama which lessens Alabama's cred for beating Auburn.

So the only ways I can see the SEC getting two in would be for either L.S.U. or Auburn to run the table in the West and face Georgia in a close CCG. And if Auburn ran the table (unlikely as that is) they would have a massive resume' and would have beaten Georgia and Florida before facing likely Georgia again in the CCG. So if Georgia won that game in a fairly close contest then the SEC might get two in because Auburn's resume would be danged hard to beat when you add Oregon to L.S.U., Alabama, Florida, and Georgia.
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(09-23-2019 12:31 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-23-2019 12:12 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  
Quote:Dare I say 3 SEC teams?

No, won't happen - lol. You'd need the stars to align + others being pretty disappointing.

And if a P12 or B1G or B12 team is undefeated -- there's no way they'll be denied the 4 team playoff (unless all 5 P5 Champs are undefeated).z

But I would hope sooner than later that an undefeated P12 team with a shoddy OOC schedule due to mixups becomes undefeated in a down year for the conference -- and a #2 SEC team ranked above them gets picked instead.

Denying an undefeated P5 Champ will make a 6 team (or 8 team) playoff happen Real Fast.

Ohio State will play Wisconsin. I think the winner of that game will have the inside track to 1 slot.

Clemson is not going to be challenged the remainder of the way. There's you #1 slot.

If Texas beats Oklahoma they'll have to beat them twice. So unless Texas stumbles again or Oklahoma loses twice the Big 12 should produce no worse than a 1 loss team and the Sooners could go undefeated.

Cal is the lone remaining unbeaten in the PAC and they other contenders all have bad loses except for Oregon. It's very likely right now that the PAC will not produce a contender.

I suppose the SEC could get two in but in order to do that one would need to be unbeaten and the other preferably unbeaten headed into the CCG. And the schedule is brutal.

Right now there are 5 in the top 10. Alabama doesn't play Georgia or Florida. But they will play L.S.U. and Auburn.

Florida plays L.S.U. and Auburn.

Auburn plays them all: L.S.U., Florida, Georgia, and Alabama.

For the SEC to get a shot at 2 this year Alabama would have to run the table and face Georgia in the CCG and both of them be unbeaten. And then Alabama would have to beat Georgia and do so in a close game.

Alabama doesn't have quality opponents OOC or really in conference. They played a weak South Carolina and will play an even weaker Tennessee. They will catch Arkansas and Ole Miss on a down year.

If they lose to Georgia in the CCG I don't think the committee will let them in. Georgia will (if they go unbeaten) have had wins over Florida, Auburn and Notre Dame and will have played all three before Auburn faces Alabama which lessens Alabama's cred for beating Auburn.

So the only ways I can see the SEC getting two in would be for either L.S.U. or Auburn to run the table in the West and face Georgia in a close CCG. And if Auburn ran the table (unlikely as that is) they would have a massive resume' and would have beaten Georgia and Florida before facing likely Georgia again in the CCG. So if Georgia won that game in a fairly close contest then the SEC might get two in because Auburn's resume would be danged hard to beat when you add Oregon to L.S.U., Alabama, Florida, and Georgia.

LSU or Auburn don't have to run the table. If the winner of Auburn-LSU loses only to Bama, and Bama wins the SEC title game, then the Auburn-LSU winner has an excellent chance of being selected for the playoff.

But yes, with the games vs. Florida and Georgia thrown in, the results of all of those games between the top SEC teams would have to work out just right for two of those teams to have fewer than two losses.
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(09-23-2019 12:12 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  
Quote:Dare I say 3 SEC teams?

No, won't happen - lol. You'd need the stars to align + others being pretty disappointing.

And if a P12 or B1G or B12 team is undefeated -- there's no way they'll be denied the 4 team playoff (unless all 5 P5 Champs are undefeated).z

But I would hope sooner than later that an undefeated P12 team with a shoddy OOC schedule due to mixups becomes undefeated in a down year for the conference -- and a #2 SEC team ranked above them gets picked instead.

Denying an undefeated P5 Champ will make a 6 team (or 8 team) playoff happen Real Fast.

It doesn’t have to be an undefeated P5 Champ; Delaney is already complaining about the Big Ten being left out the last two seasons. Even so he was still against expanding the CFP. He retires January 1. I would expect that his predecessor will be for playoff expansion.
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The only way an undefeated P5 champ will ever miss the playoffs is if there are four other undefeated P5 champs, or three other undefeated P5 champs and an undefeated Notre Dame. And the latter isn't for sure, it just makes it possible.

Otherwise, it isn't happening, period.

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The P12 is out.

Unless Clemson collapses they will be the ACC school. The SEC will get one, two if Alabama is not the conference CXhampion. The B1G will get one (tOSU - Wisky winner), the 4th is either OU or Texas.

The P12 is out and it's already pretty clear there will be 5 schools vying for 4 spots come late November.
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