https://twitter.com/i/status/1173993170092400641

Not sure how to post the video but as usual it is vintage Leach. Damn, I miss that guy at Texas Tech

incoming loss to UCLA

like clockwork when mike starts talking about stupid stuff a horrible loss follows in the next week or two

(09-17-2019 07:45 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  incoming loss to UCLA

like clockwork when mike starts talking about stupid stuff a horrible loss follows in the next week or two

IIRC, he beat a team you hate at NRG this past Friday night.

Imagine if USC came to their senses, fired Helton and hired Leach for double his current WSU salary.

You know top QBs would flock to the condom brand football team. They are already loaded with NFL talent in the skills positions and they have the best recruiting base of anyone in the West. Just keeping Inglewood, Compton and Long Beach kids home. A P12 schedule with USC firepower and Leach's coaching staff would be like Oklahoma in the B12 or Clemson in the ACC: Virtually unstoppable, 11-1 or 12-0 is almost built in with a playoff berth. Scary thought.

On mascots. The smart ones pick their spots. The beaver would make short work of the tree. He's right on the duck, he'd just bail out, fly away and go swimming. The Buffalo is a monster to deal with. The wild cat would have no chance against the Bears/Bruins and Cougars. Troy was not a cavalry force, rather an infantry army and naval power: they would take the ducks down. The Ute is dangerous. They had very accurate bows and poisoned arrows, knew the terrain and were great gorilla fighters. They could handle Cougars and Bears. They would not have been experienced with Buffalo, unlike the Sioux and Black Feet, but I'm sure they'd learn. When they had rifles they were even more dangerous. I think the winner would be the Utes. The Sun Devils is a weird one, and may be a generic cartoon version of the Aztec God Huitzilopochtli. If so he's the nemesis of the Ute. It comes down to match ups.

(09-17-2019 11:09 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Imagine if USC came to their senses, fired Helton and hired Leach for double his current WSU salary.

You know top QBs would flock to the condom brand football team. They are already loaded with NFL talent in the skills positions and they have the best recruiting base of anyone in the West. Just keeping Inglewood, Compton and Long Beach kids home. A P12 schedule with USC firepower and Leach's coaching staff would be like Oklahoma in the B12 or Clemson in the ACC: Virtually unstoppable, 11-1 or 12-0 is almost built in with a playoff berth. Scary thought.

They'd be unstoppable, that's for sure.

But USC's megadonors are too uptight & too full of themselves to tolerate a goofball like Leach.

(09-17-2019 11:09 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  On mascots. The smart ones pick their spots. The beaver would make short work of the tree. He's right on the duck, he'd just bail out. The Buffalo is a monster to deal with. The wild cat would have no chance against the Bears/Bruins and Cougars. Troy was not a cavalry force, rather an infantry army and naval power: they would take the ducks down. The Ute is dangerous. They had very accurate bows and poisoned arrows, knew the terrain and were great gorilla fighters. They could handle Cougars an Bears. They would not have been experienced with Buffalo, unlike the Sioux and Black Feet, but I'm sure they'd learn. When they had rifles they were even more dangerous. I think the winner would be the Utes. The Sun Devils is a weird one, and may be a generic cartoon version of the Aztec God Huitzilopochtli. If so he's the nemesis of the Ute. It comes down to match ups.

Working off the assumption that we're playing a Hunger Games-style event and not a bracketed tournament:

The Cougar and Wildcat would have to find a way to isolate and double-team the Buffalo, Bruin or Bear (they may also make an emergency motion to add BYU so they can have another Cougar). My guess is the Buffalo and two bears fight to the death and the survivor isn't a good long-term bet because of the injuries sustained.

I assume the Tree, knowing it would never have a chance, would give its life to the Beaver so it can make dams. How much dam building helps in this game depends on the topography. The Duck is utterly useless and its only hope is that it flies to the edge of the playing field and prays that everyone dies out before they find him.

Ideally the Trojan and Ute team up using their human brains but there's a serious language barrier so they'd most likely fly solo and hope to steer clear of the other until and unless they're the final two.

Sun Devil is the X factor in this. He might use his magic power to get San Diego State added so he can have his Aztec minion, if the above theory about the Sun Devil's identity is true. But if he's just the mascot off a can of deviled ham, he won't last long.

All bets are off if the Texoma 4 finally arrive, but they may be saving that for the Quarter Quell.

If some Aztecs showed up they'd team up with their cousins the Utes and bond over their shared UtoAztecan language and culture (none of the Arizona tribes like the Hopi, Pima, or Navajo belong to this group).

But that's not going to happen because a Sundevil is a weather phenomenon, basically a dust devil without the dust, and not any kind deity.

And the Utes aren't Utah's mascot; a stupid bird is. And that bird would just die from shame from what a stupid derivative generic piece of **** it is- eliminated before the duck.

If we had a moose mascot like we should, that would at least give the cougar and bears a fight.

Hum, Utah's mascot is indeed "Swoop" the red-tailed hawk. Not sure red tails are big enough to actually take out a duck, but the South Dakota State Jack Rabbit is quaking.

The Ute was even more formidable than I thought. They dominated the West, and when they got horses in trading with the Spanish they expanded, the Comanche (which is an Anglicization of the Ute word meaning "enemy") were Utes who moved to the Plains. They raided other tribes to capture women and children which they traded with the Spanish for wares and weapons.

As for their power as a Mascot, this picture of a Buffalo on a beaver skin tells you all you need to know about how the other mascots would fare against these skilled trappers and hunters.


Bronze armor would be ineffective against the weapons of the Utes, both rifle shot and the bows they had would have penetrated the armor., as would steel axes they got in trading with the Spanish and Americans. Also the stirrup meant they could shoot arrows accurate from horseback. But they probably had to dismount to fire rifles.

But that is irrelevant as Swoop the red tail hawk is the mascot. He'd be no more effective against Trojan armor than the ducks.

But Utah instead went with a PC mascot, rather than their namesake, so they are pretty far down the mascot list.

The classical era Greek warriors, which the Trojans were part of, only had chariots. The stirrups had not yet been invented, so effective mounted combat was still hundreds of years in the future. The were basically infantry, with Javelins and Bow and Arrow support. But they wore extensive armor, from head to toe, making bow and arrows pretty much useless until centuries later. Achilles getting hit in a spot where the armor doesn't cover is what that story is about. Look at the armor here:

They probably had arm sleeves like they have leg sleeves, secured by straps. The foot covering surprised me. But obviously the heel is not covered as you need to move.

Just a matter of time until that bird gets retired.[/b]

Ute vs Trojan: What era do we take the Ute from?

If it's pre-contact Utes .... indigenous tribes in the Americas were completely run over by anyone from the Iron Age. The Spaniards iron armor & swords made them literally invincible - there's hundreds of first-hand accounts of battles where a few dozen Spaniards would face whole armies and kill thousands of warriors without the loss of a single man. In 1599, about 70 Spanish faced an army of 2,000 Acoma Indians in New Mexico. 500 Acomans were killed and not a single Spaniard lost his life. The Spaniards had steel swords, while the Trojans were only using bronze. But still, bronze weapons are clearly superior to the stone weapons used by everyone in North America before 1600.

If its Utes from the 1800s, they'd take down the Trojans with no problem. They had guns & horses.

But there's still lots of Utes around today - maybe their fighting should be done by a blackjack dealer in a business suit? Easily taken out by the Buffalo or the Trojan.

Jesus that's racist.

Utes farm and have some mining operations. They don't have casinos.

(09-19-2019 09:47 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Jesus that's racist.

Utes farm and have some mining operations. They don't have casinos.

Question.

Did the Pac-12 demanded Utah get rid of the feathers on the logo? Even going as far as getting rid of the Utes name because it was offensive even though the Utes gave the University of Utah permission to use the name?

I remember reading years ago on the MWC board right after the Pac-10 invited Utah that the conference expected the logo and the name would be dropped but I don’t know how accurate that was.

(09-19-2019 04:30 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Ute vs Trojan: What era do we take the Ute from?

If it's pre-contact Utes .... indigenous tribes in the Americas were completely run over by anyone from the Iron Age. The Spaniards iron armor & swords made them literally invincible - there's hundreds of first-hand accounts of battles where a few dozen Spaniards would face whole armies and kill thousands of warriors without the loss of a single man. In 1599, about 70 Spanish faced an army of 2,000 Acoma Indians in New Mexico. 500 Acomans were killed and not a single Spaniard lost his life. The Spaniards had steel swords, while the Trojans were only using bronze. But still, bronze weapons are clearly superior to the stone weapons used by everyone in North America before 1600.

If its Utes from the 1800s, they'd take down the Trojans with no problem. They had guns & horses.

But there's still lots of Utes around today - maybe their fighting should be done by a blackjack dealer in a business suit? Easily taken out by the Buffalo or the Trojan.

The Trojans were Bronze age. The Trojans would have fared far worse than the Iron Age Vikings did against the Inuits - and they basically withdrew anywhere contact was heavy because they lost, from Newfoundland to Greenland (today its basically occupied Native Americans)

https://www.canadiangeographic.ca/articl...ed-vikings

If the Iron Age Vikings, a far more advanced people than the Trojans in Warfare and arms were no match for the Thule/Inuit people, then the Trojans with Bronze weapons and armor would be no match against the Ute peoples.

(09-19-2019 09:47 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Jesus that's racist.

Utes farm and have some mining operations. They don't have casinos.

It would certainly be racist if they didn't have casinos. But 2 of the 3 federally recognized Ute tribes do have casinos.

Altogether there's only about 7,000 Utes, so it's highly likely that the casinos are the largest employers of Utes. I'd assume they'd be proud of having such a unique profession (sort of like Cornhuskers or Boilermakers).

The Utes' chances go up if they can get this into court:

(09-20-2019 03:28 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(09-19-2019 04:30 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Ute vs Trojan: What era do we take the Ute from?

If it's pre-contact Utes .... indigenous tribes in the Americas were completely run over by anyone from the Iron Age. The Spaniards iron armor & swords made them literally invincible - there's hundreds of first-hand accounts of battles where a few dozen Spaniards would face whole armies and kill thousands of warriors without the loss of a single man. In 1599, about 70 Spanish faced an army of 2,000 Acoma Indians in New Mexico. 500 Acomans were killed and not a single Spaniard lost his life. The Spaniards had steel swords, while the Trojans were only using bronze. But still, bronze weapons are clearly superior to the stone weapons used by everyone in North America before 1600.

If its Utes from the 1800s, they'd take down the Trojans with no problem. They had guns & horses.

But there's still lots of Utes around today - maybe their fighting should be done by a blackjack dealer in a business suit? Easily taken out by the Buffalo or the Trojan.

The Trojans were Bronze age. The Trojans would have fared far worse than the Iron Age Vikings did against the Inuits - and they basically withdrew anywhere contact was heavy because they lost, from Newfoundland to Greenland (today its basically occupied Native Americans)

https://www.canadiangeographic.ca/articl...ed-vikings

If the Iron Age Vikings, a far more advanced people than the Trojans in Warfare and arms were no match for the Thule/Inuit people, then the Trojans with Bronze weapons and armor would be no match against the Ute peoples.

The Vikings weren't driven out of Greenland. No one knows for sure what happened to them, but they probably left because the climate became too cold for them to grow any crops.

As for Vinland, the Saga of Eric the Red & the Saga of the Greenlanders both mention a battle where the Vikings were attacked & vastly outnumbered. One story says the Vikings had 30 men & none were killed. The other says the Vikings had 140 or 160 people (including women) and 2 were killed as they fled, and they managed to kill 4 Indians. The historical reliability of both accounts is highly questionable, which is very different than the Spanish accounts (many Spaniards kept private journals and their details have been meticulously compared to each other by historians).

At any rate, there's no evidence that the Vikings were driven out of Newfoundland either. It's more likely that they were just there for trading & would spend the winter before leaving.

This is a very informative thread. Will a paper be due when it's over?

I assumed that the contest was one-on-one, mano-a-mano, without a choice of weapons.
That's why I say that the Buffalo is the winner.




I assume the Cal Bear and UCLA Bruin are California Black Bears- males are generally 300-350 pounds, though 550 pounds is possible. Advantage- Bison at 1000 to 2000 pounds.

A Grizzly bear (at 1000 pounds) might take out a Buffalo, but Grizzlies are extinct in California, and Montana is in the Big Sky Conference.

The Sun Devil is a wild card. If it is merely a localized atmospheric condition, wait a minute and it will pass. If it is a non-corporal entity with preternatural power- I would call for the Providence Friars of the Big East.

PS. I spoke to a man who had a ranch in South Dakota. The ranch had (I think he called it) "a legacy herd" of bison. So by law he had to maintain the herd. As he described them, buffalo are nasty creatures with bad intentions. My vehicle got swarmed by some once in the Black Hills. Maybe that explains my desire to never cross paths with them again.

(09-20-2019 05:12 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote:  This is a very informative thread. Will a paper be due when it's over?

I assumed that the contest was one-on-one, mano-a-mano, without a choice of weapons.
That's why I say that the Buffalo is the winner.




I assume the Cal Bear and UCLA Bruin are California Black Bears- males are generally 300-350 pounds, though 550 pounds is possible. Advantage- Bison at 1000 to 2000 pounds.

A Grizzly bear (at 1000 pounds) might take out a Buffalo, but Grizzlies are extinct in California, and Montana is in the Big Sky Conference.

If the Trickster God of College Football can conjure up one from the past, they become a factor because there's usually a reason something has a classification name that means "terrifying bear."

Another possibility: the bear is actually made of gold. Can't move well but very hard to damage.

(09-20-2019 05:55 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Another possibility: the bear is actually made of gold. Can't move well but very hard to damage.

It took me a second...gold?...bear? Oh, "the Golden Bears"!
Well, without the gold rush of '49, there would be no California (as we know it).

(09-17-2019 08:53 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 07:45 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  incoming loss to UCLA

like clockwork when mike starts talking about stupid stuff a horrible loss follows in the next week or two

IIRC, he beat a team you hate at NRG this past Friday night.

mike still doing mike