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RE: Scholarship Freeze Policy
I was a walk-on. Many of us were / are walk-ons.

The lack of funding didn’t bother me. I was just thrilled to be able to play.

I suspect that some of the differences of opinion are related to the scholarship/walk-on differences, and whether W&M wants to go full scholly, full bells and whistles, at the expense of a glorious and wildly successful history with walk-ons.

No one publicly talks about this, but it is a topic of conversation among former athletes.
10-14-2019 11:22 AM
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(10-14-2019 11:00 AM)Tribe1980 Wrote:  I think it is a sad state at W&M when you continue to hear "underfunded" athletic program for all programs BUT a few! How are these teams able to recruit talented athletes? How are current athletes in these programs able to stay positive when they know school funds are being significantly put in some areas and not distributed in a reasonable manner? This could be a big reason why there is a divide among the student athletes.

I am not sure what the solution is; however, after reading many posts relating to this topic, the athletic department should take note!

Not really sure of your point here but all the programs are “underfunded”.
10-14-2019 11:45 AM
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(10-14-2019 09:26 AM)Rocco Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 09:20 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 09:13 AM)Rocco Wrote:  W&M has 23 sports teams and generated $28.4M in revenue. Delaware has 21 sports teams and $40M in revenue. JMU has 18 teams and $48M in revenue. Towson has 19 teams and $27M in revenue. VT has 22 sports teams and generated $87M in revenue. Huge is going to get blamed for economics being a cold and uncaring beast.

Maybe I'm missing something obvious but how does UD generate so much more revenue than us? $12M would solve a lot of problems in our athletic department.

http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1

http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1

They get about $33M in "government support". There's nothing listed for student fees so I assume some form of that comes from fees on their larger student base.

Hmm, W&M shows only $1.29M in revenue in "Institutional/Government Support". Since we all know that the state of Virginia provides zero dollars for athletics, that means that the institution in question is W&M itself. Well, I have no problem with W&M using a portion of its "For The Bold" giving (1 billion dollars) for this purpose. Say $10M a year for a few years until changes become self-sustaining ($10M, what is that, 1% --- hardly seems like too much for such a bold purpose as to make W&M relevant in the big 3 sports and maintain its competitiveness in all the olympic sports at which it excels). Sure, you could salt that money away instead for future use --- but what future use is as important as the bold vision that W&M has right now for that money.

Also, the College gets only $0.9M from "Corporate Sponsorship, Advertising, Licensing". I thought Huge was hired because she was such a great fundraiser. So get busy getting naming rights for some of our athletic venues. I'm sure that Kaplan or Zable or Plumeri wouldn't mind relinquishing their stadium names in order for the Tribe to get much needed bucks (relax, just kidding). How about naming everything after Geico? I'm sure Geico would be happy with that. (Again, just kidding. Sort of.).

Lastly, what is this about only $0.62M in "Competition Guarantees"? I keep reading about other FCS schools getting $800K, $1M, or more for FBS games. Why do we get less? Negotiate better! How much do we get for P5 basketball games?
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It should be noted that our phenomenal and highly successful swimmers, of them all, only a few receive partial scholarships. I believe those chosen few receive financial help to defray out-of-state tuition.

Also, UD, VT, TU, and JMU have tripple to quadruple (or more) our student enrollment so 16-24k more students paying a couple grand for athletic fees certainly helps.

And, a concerned mother, with clearly intimate knowledge of what's going on, should never have to ship her "snowflake" off to another school because some [person] decided to turn our athletic department upside down. If her efforts are so remarkable, champ, show me our championships since she's been here. At least show me ANY evidence that donations haven't tanked. Show me something more than blind loyalty to someone who has all but drained the life out of our Athletic Department.

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10-14-2019 03:33 PM
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(10-14-2019 11:52 AM)Zorch Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 09:26 AM)Rocco Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 09:20 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 09:13 AM)Rocco Wrote:  W&M has 23 sports teams and generated $28.4M in revenue. Delaware has 21 sports teams and $40M in revenue. JMU has 18 teams and $48M in revenue. Towson has 19 teams and $27M in revenue. VT has 22 sports teams and generated $87M in revenue. Huge is going to get blamed for economics being a cold and uncaring beast.

Maybe I'm missing something obvious but how does UD generate so much more revenue than us? $12M would solve a lot of problems in our athletic department.

http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1

http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1

They get about $33M in "government support". There's nothing listed for student fees so I assume some form of that comes from fees on their larger student base.

Hmm, W&M shows only $1.29M in revenue in "Institutional/Government Support". Since we all know that the state of Virginia provides zero dollars for athletics, that means that the institution in question is W&M itself. Well, I have no problem with W&M using a portion of its "For The Bold" giving (1 billion dollars) for this purpose. Say $10M a year for a few years until changes become self-sustaining ($10M, what is that, 1% --- hardly seems like too much for such a bold purpose as to make W&M relevant in the big 3 sports and maintain its competitiveness in all the olympic sports at which it excels). Sure, you could salt that money away instead for future use --- but what future use is as important as the bold vision that W&M has right now for that money.

Also, the College gets only $0.9M from "Corporate Sponsorship, Advertising, Licensing". I thought Huge was hired because she was such a great fundraiser. So get busy getting naming rights for some of our athletic venues. I'm sure that Kaplan or Zable or Plumeri wouldn't mind relinquishing their stadium names in order for the Tribe to get much needed bucks (relax, just kidding). How about naming everything after Geico? I'm sure Geico would be happy with that. (Again, just kidding. Sort of.).

Lastly, what is this about only $0.62M in "Competition Guarantees"? I keep reading about other FCS schools getting $800K, $1M, or more for FCS games. Why do we get less? Negotiate better! How much do we get for P5 basketball games?

G5 schools can get that much, most FCS schools get ~400-500k like we do. Schools can only count 1 FCS game towards bowl eligibility, so FBS teams tend to get a little more. There's also more FCS teams looking for those games than FBS teams, so there's a bit of supply and demand. We also generally schedule these games very locally, so we don't get anything extra for travel.

This is not a comprehensive article, but the FCS games Forbes mentions here get between 325-550k (https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomlayberge...42bfd055).

Notably, Penn State paid Idaho 1.45 million for their game, since Idaho was FBS when it was scheduled, and PSU honored the contract.
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10-15-2019 08:22 AM
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(10-15-2019 08:22 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 11:52 AM)Zorch Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 09:26 AM)Rocco Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 09:20 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 09:13 AM)Rocco Wrote:  W&M has 23 sports teams and generated $28.4M in revenue. Delaware has 21 sports teams and $40M in revenue. JMU has 18 teams and $48M in revenue. Towson has 19 teams and $27M in revenue. VT has 22 sports teams and generated $87M in revenue. Huge is going to get blamed for economics being a cold and uncaring beast.

Maybe I'm missing something obvious but how does UD generate so much more revenue than us? $12M would solve a lot of problems in our athletic department.

http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1

http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1

They get about $33M in "government support". There's nothing listed for student fees so I assume some form of that comes from fees on their larger student base.

Hmm, W&M shows only $1.29M in revenue in "Institutional/Government Support". Since we all know that the state of Virginia provides zero dollars for athletics, that means that the institution in question is W&M itself. Well, I have no problem with W&M using a portion of its "For The Bold" giving (1 billion dollars) for this purpose. Say $10M a year for a few years until changes become self-sustaining ($10M, what is that, 1% --- hardly seems like too much for such a bold purpose as to make W&M relevant in the big 3 sports and maintain its competitiveness in all the olympic sports at which it excels). Sure, you could salt that money away instead for future use --- but what future use is as important as the bold vision that W&M has right now for that money.

Also, the College gets only $0.9M from "Corporate Sponsorship, Advertising, Licensing". I thought Huge was hired because she was such a great fundraiser. So get busy getting naming rights for some of our athletic venues. I'm sure that Kaplan or Zable or Plumeri wouldn't mind relinquishing their stadium names in order for the Tribe to get much needed bucks (relax, just kidding). How about naming everything after Geico? I'm sure Geico would be happy with that. (Again, just kidding. Sort of.).

Lastly, what is this about only $0.62M in "Competition Guarantees"? I keep reading about other FCS schools getting $800K, $1M, or more for FCS games. Why do we get less? Negotiate better! How much do we get for P5 basketball games?

G5 schools can get that much, most FCS schools get ~400-500k like we do. Schools can only count 1 FCS game towards bowl eligibility, so FBS teams tend to get a little more. There's also more FCS teams looking for those games than FBS teams, so there's a bit of supply and demand. We also generally schedule these games very locally, so we don't get anything extra for travel.

This is not a comprehensive article, but the FCS games Forbes mentions here get between 325-550k (https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomlayberge...42bfd055).

Notably, Penn State paid Idaho 1.45 million for their game, since Idaho was FBS when it was scheduled, and PSU honored the contract.

Thanks. I'll keep track going forward of those instances where FCS teams are reported to be getting "big bucks". Obviously I can't keep track retroactively.
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