(11-16-2019 11:56 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-16-2019 11:39 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-16-2019 11:18 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-16-2019 11:13 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  Not sure what this thread is all about. He's clearly the best quarterback in the team. And I hope to God they recruit well enough that Cole Johnson is not the starter next year.

At the FCS level, I think you need a QB with at least a little mobility. Cole doesn't really have that. I don't see him beating out Gage, and, who knows, there may be a transfer yet in the picture.

I sort of thought so too, but after that little gallop into the endzone the other week, not so sure now. Cole has had some time to improve, and might be pretty darn good by next season. None of our QBs could really show their potential last year imo.

Historically, Cole's "little gallop into the endzone the other week" was an anomaly. It was great fun to see, but he will be crushed by even mediocre defenses if we count on that next year.

(11-20-2019 08:01 AM)Dukester Wrote:  I want to repeat -

Ben is one of those "hope I'm wrong" situations, where thankfully I was wrong.

I did not not believe in one year Ben would be able to be this successful in his downfield passing game.

I still have that "under pressure" concern, but we'll see next month - Although, I'm not nearly as concerned about that right now either. To me I've noticed a ton of maturity growth in him as well.

Ben is the man........

Agree 100%. If he wins out under pressure then I'll eat the rest of the crow.

(11-20-2019 09:21 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 08:33 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I think the change in coaching staff has really benefited Ben. From the offensive philosophy to the improved line play, I think a good portion of that can be credited to Cignetti's approach & staff.

Not sure what accounted for the change, but I will say Ben and Coaches both must of been involved and receive credit.

Oh for sure. Is there a world where the athlete isn't responsible for their own performance??

(11-20-2019 09:45 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 09:39 AM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 08:01 AM)Dukester Wrote:  I want to repeat -

Ben is one of those "hope I'm wrong" situations, where thankfully I was wrong.

I did not not believe in one year Ben would be able to be this successful in his downfield passing game.

I still have that "under pressure" concern, but we'll see next month - Although, I'm not nearly as concerned about that right now either. To me I've noticed a ton of maturity growth in him as well.

Ben is the man........

Ben's "under pressure" play is fine. He has been under pressure this year and done fine. However, last year, he wasn't under pressure, he was in a no-win situation, hopeless situation. So, he isn't Houdini. With four defenders on his back he isn't able to magically escape.

Nooch has things this year that he didn't have last year that are not of his own doing. Nooch, himself, is the same guy. Mostly, he has a better offensive line. No question. Take a look at the first 4 or 5 minutes of last year's New Hampshire game and it will be clear. The amazing thing is many people who saw the same game, blamed Nooch for that. I recall the fumble, where Nooch was in the backfield, sitting on his butt, got stripped of the ball, and you could see the desperation and hopelessness on his face.

Which goes to my second point. The playcalling. So much better. Last year, and this was bizarre to me, Donnie Kirkpatrick could see his offensive line routinely crumbling in one or two seconds, yet insisted on keeping Nooch in the pocket, where he was getting creamed. It is unreasonable to expect a quarterback to go through his check downs before his receivers have barely gotten off the line of scrimmage, and somehow with the other eye, watching for running lanes, which, remarkably to some, simply aren't there because he has two defensive lineman in his face. What was the mantra? "Nooch's fault!" My pointing this out last year was seen as blind defense of an incompetent quarterback, to the point one poster even accused me of giving Nooch oral sex. Really. Look it up.

In addition, Nooch has improved his own play, but nothing more than what would be expected with another year of experience, in my opinion.

To "Me" there's a difference between play, game, and season pressure. Game, and more so season pressure "to me" will be played out in December.

Make no mistake Longhorn, you have never been wrong on anything you've posted on here - that said, even with no pressure Ben was not accurate on non-dump off passes last year other than a couple games.

His stats speak for themselves. His bad games were games where he was constantly running for his life. I think the whole anticipation of being rushed and rushed hard can affect a quarterback's whole game. Even if it isn't coming, just expecting it can mess up your mind and your game. But, you are right, his delivery is much better this year.

And, I'm not Longhorn.

(11-20-2019 09:45 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Make no mistake Longhorn, you have never been wrong on anything you've posted on here - that said, even with no pressure Ben was not accurate on non-dump off passes last year other than a couple games.

Not sure how my comments praising DiNucci's play this season got elevated into the "flawless" category. Heaven knows we all make mistakes.

(11-20-2019 06:30 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 09:45 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 09:39 AM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 08:01 AM)Dukester Wrote:  I want to repeat -

Ben is one of those "hope I'm wrong" situations, where thankfully I was wrong.

I did not not believe in one year Ben would be able to be this successful in his downfield passing game.

I still have that "under pressure" concern, but we'll see next month - Although, I'm not nearly as concerned about that right now either. To me I've noticed a ton of maturity growth in him as well.

Ben is the man........

Ben's "under pressure" play is fine. He has been under pressure this year and done fine. However, last year, he wasn't under pressure, he was in a no-win situation, hopeless situation. So, he isn't Houdini. With four defenders on his back he isn't able to magically escape.

Nooch has things this year that he didn't have last year that are not of his own doing. Nooch, himself, is the same guy. Mostly, he has a better offensive line. No question. Take a look at the first 4 or 5 minutes of last year's New Hampshire game and it will be clear. The amazing thing is many people who saw the same game, blamed Nooch for that. I recall the fumble, where Nooch was in the backfield, sitting on his butt, got stripped of the ball, and you could see the desperation and hopelessness on his face.

Which goes to my second point. The playcalling. So much better. Last year, and this was bizarre to me, Donnie Kirkpatrick could see his offensive line routinely crumbling in one or two seconds, yet insisted on keeping Nooch in the pocket, where he was getting creamed. It is unreasonable to expect a quarterback to go through his check downs before his receivers have barely gotten off the line of scrimmage, and somehow with the other eye, watching for running lanes, which, remarkably to some, simply aren't there because he has two defensive lineman in his face. What was the mantra? "Nooch's fault!" My pointing this out last year was seen as blind defense of an incompetent quarterback, to the point one poster even accused me of giving Nooch oral sex. Really. Look it up.

In addition, Nooch has improved his own play, but nothing more than what would be expected with another year of experience, in my opinion.

To "Me" there's a difference between play, game, and season pressure. Game, and more so season pressure "to me" will be played out in December.

Make no mistake Longhorn, you have never been wrong on anything you've posted on here - that said, even with no pressure Ben was not accurate on non-dump off passes last year other than a couple games.

His stats speak for themselves. His bad games were games where he was constantly running for his life. I think the whole anticipation of being rushed and rushed hard can affect a quarterback's whole game. Even if it isn't coming, just expecting it can mess up your mind and your game. But, you are right, his delivery is much better this year.

And, I'm not Longhorn.

The biggest factor to Ben's improvement has to do with his personal progress (a combination of his own hard work and that of the coaching he's had over the summer and this season). The OL may have exasperated some issues last year, but there were flaws with his game that had nothing to do with that. Pressure from the D can absolutely affect a QB, but remaining consistent under pressure is the difference maker. I'm really excited to see what he can do against NDSU if we make it that far.

Saw this on the UVA vs. Liberty broadcast...

(11-23-2019 09:22 PM)JMUDukes1750 Wrote:  

Saw this on the UVA vs. Liberty broadcast...

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I saw that too and was shocked. Mancuso has been better than Beau English for Bichmond, but to say he's the 4th best QB in VA? He ain't even the 4th best QB in the CAA! Must have been a Spatter producing the broadcast.

(11-23-2019 09:34 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  

(11-23-2019 09:22 PM)JMUDukes1750 Wrote:  

Saw this on the UVA vs. Liberty broadcast...

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No matter. DiNucci will be 1st team All CAA and likely a Dudley Award nominee. At least 2 of the 4 shown in that composite photo will not be receiving that level of recognition.

(11-23-2019 09:22 PM)JMUDukes1750 Wrote:  

Saw this on the UVA vs. Liberty broadcast...

Lol at Mancuso. better than Danucci..

Liberty QB’s parents must like shotguns..

(11-25-2019 08:39 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(11-23-2019 09:22 PM)JMUDukes1750 Wrote:  

Saw this on the UVA vs. Liberty broadcast...

Lol at Mancuso. better than Danucci..

Liberty QB’s parents must like shotguns..

And, the Virginia Tech QB's dad must like....uhhh….well, never mind.

OMG guys, of course Hooker is one of the best QB's in Virgina... he's 5-0 as a starter!!!!!

LOL

(11-25-2019 10:01 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  OMG guys, of course Hooker is one of the best QB's in Virgina... he's 5-0 as a starter!!!!!

LOL

They couldn't be consistent with the stats they chose ... because otherwise those 4 would have no chance to be the top 4. And even then, believe Nooch's stats still beat at least two or three of these guys in the categories they chose to highlight.

The producer picked who they wanted to be top 4, then tried to justify it. Total and utter fail.

(11-25-2019 10:29 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 10:01 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  OMG guys, of course Hooker is one of the best QB's in Virgina... he's 5-0 as a starter!!!!!

LOL

They couldn't be consistent with the stats they chose ... because otherwise those 4 would have no chance to be the top 4. And even then, believe Nooch's stats still beat at least two or three of these guys in the categories they chose to highlight.

The producer picked who they wanted to be top 4, then tried to justify it. Total and utter fail.

When the competition is different, there is no point showing the same stat anyway. Who cares if you have the same yards/game or touchdowns or interception if (2) teams are in the ACC, (1) in the CAA and (1) is FBS Independent. They're not even comparable because their competition isn't comparable.

(11-25-2019 10:59 AM)drewmey Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 10:29 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 10:01 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  OMG guys, of course Hooker is one of the best QB's in Virgina... he's 5-0 as a starter!!!!!

LOL

They couldn't be consistent with the stats they chose ... because otherwise those 4 would have no chance to be the top 4. And even then, believe Nooch's stats still beat at least two or three of these guys in the categories they chose to highlight.

The producer picked who they wanted to be top 4, then tried to justify it. Total and utter fail.

When the competition is different, there is no point showing the same stat anyway. Who cares if you have the same yards/game or touchdowns or interception if (2) teams are in the ACC, (1) in the CAA and (1) is FBS Independent. They're not even comparable because their competition isn't comparable.

Looks like the geniuses in CVille tried to do this for their RSN broadcast.

Trying to pump up the UVA and Liberty QBs for the broadcast kind of makes sense. Guess they want to say they are as good or better than VT. Why they decided to include RU makes zero sense. Mancuso has almost as many INTs (10) as TDs (13) this year, and Nooch’s stats are better across the board.

Forgive me if this has been already posted, but since the regular season is over, here are DiNucci's regular season stats.
2019 stats
187/266 (70%), 2552 yards, 22 TDs, 4 INTs
87 rushing attempts, 426 yds, 4.89 per attempt, 4 TDs
Compare that to last year totals
2018 Stats
211/309 (68%), 2275 yards, 16 TDs, 12 INTs (7 INTs if you don't count Colgate.. yikes)
107 Rushing attempts, 433 yds, 4.0 per attempt, 9 TDs

How's that for improvement? DiNucci has less attempts, but more production. The most important number... reduced his INTs big time.

And for good measure, here are Mancuso's numbers for the season:
164/259 (63%), 2128, 13 TDs, 10 INTs
151 Rushing attempts, 646 yards, 4.3 per attempt, 10 TDs

Stats don't lie.

Pass efficiency:
Ben is 175.2 , currently #3 in FCS.
Mancuso is 141.2, #30 in FCS

Such a huge snub by WP voters. I haven’t taken it seriously since Landers didn’t win it in 2008, but good lord. Talk about cementing its status as a joke award.

(11-25-2019 06:02 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  Such a huge snub by WP voters. I haven’t taken it seriously since Landers didn’t win it in 2008, but good lord. Talk about cementing its status as a joke award.

Huh? WP has a football award? Stopped paying much attention to them a few years back when they went pay model online. Rarely read anything there now. They would be dead if Bezos didn’t rescue them, likely to spin political stories his way for Amazon.

(11-25-2019 11:40 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  Pass efficiency:
Ben is 175.2 , currently #3 in FCS.
Mancuso is 141.2, #30 in FCS

Did anyone see Ben's rating from the Rhody game? Had to be pretty good.