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(09-02-2019 07:22 PM)nole Wrote:  
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(09-02-2019 05:16 PM)nole Wrote:  .....after they fired him, the president replaced him with his college buddy,an accountant with 0 experience in college athletics.

Good lord. That's horrible. It's not like the guy is running a lemonade stand, this is FSU athletics! One of the most successful in the ACC!

Assistant AD, he has the same amount of experience as the last AD FSU hired and now he is second in command at the NCAA HQ.

The basketball AD from Duke? Great fit for FSU...........

Of course, FSU ran him off kindly because of his train wreck handling of the football building. It was so bad that basically fired him on the spot. When the NCAA bailed him out (nothing says competent like NCAA right?) FSU publiclly admitted he left a train wreck behind with the finances and other areas (see social media department highlighted for embarrassments in Wall Street Journal article).

Nice try.

Nice try? Everything I said was true. Good thing we have an accountant cleaning up his mess.
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(09-02-2019 07:26 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  
(09-02-2019 07:22 PM)nole Wrote:  
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(09-02-2019 05:16 PM)nole Wrote:  .....after they fired him, the president replaced him with his college buddy,an accountant with 0 experience in college athletics.

Good lord. That's horrible. It's not like the guy is running a lemonade stand, this is FSU athletics! One of the most successful in the ACC!

Assistant AD, he has the same amount of experience as the last AD FSU hired and now he is second in command at the NCAA HQ.

The basketball AD from Duke? Great fit for FSU...........

Of course, FSU ran him off kindly because of his train wreck handling of the football building. It was so bad that basically fired him on the spot. When the NCAA bailed him out (nothing says competent like NCAA right?) FSU publiclly admitted he left a train wreck behind with the finances and other areas (see social media department highlighted for embarrassments in Wall Street Journal article).

Nice try.

Nice try? Everything I said was true. Good thing we have an accountant cleaning up his mess.

With not 1 day experience in College Athletics. But he went to college with the president.

Gonna be a LONG....LONG dry spell for FSU with the good ole boy network running things.
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RE: How long will Taggart last??
How many years Thrasher has left? 1 or 2. The guy is about to retire. Let the next guy make his AD hire. How many good ADs are willing to change jobs when they could be replaced in a year or two?
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Well, the good news is this could be a great opportunity for Miami to become a national power again (I didn't say it was good news for FSU).
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(09-02-2019 07:44 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  How many years Thrasher has left? 1 or 2. The guy is about to retire. Let the next guy make his AD hire. How many good ADs are willing to change jobs when they could be replaced in a year or two?

I get it. FSU is in a holding pattern.

Gonna be a REAL expensive holding pattern.
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(09-02-2019 11:56 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  NC State DOES NOT have FSU's number. Their recent record is more an indication of FSU's decline than any thing.

FSU has a base they can go to and get the buyout. That base isn't going to cough up $20 million for another Taggart. They will want a winning coach with a name appeal.

I was surprised FSU went with Taggart to begin with. IIRC, they chose him pretty quickly. Maybe they were looking when Jimbo was talking to A&M but it didn't seem like much of a search.

Over the last 20 years NC State has beaten FSU 9 times and in addition to that lost by less than a single score 4 times. The point of the post was to indicate that a program with less overall talent can pose an outside threat to the better program

Over the same period Clemson is 10-10 against FSU with one CU loss less than a single score.

Over the same period WF is 4-16 against FSU with two losses less than a single score.
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(09-02-2019 05:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  
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(09-02-2019 11:56 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  NC State DOES NOT have FSU's number. Their recent record is more an indication of FSU's decline than any thing.

FSU has a base they can go to and get the buyout. That base isn't going to cough up $20 million for another Taggart. They will want a winning coach with a name appeal.

I was surprised FSU went with Taggart to begin with. IIRC, they chose him pretty quickly. Maybe they were looking when Jimbo was talking to A&M but it didn't seem like much of a search.

Why is FSU in such bad shape anyways. One of the posters above said that Jimbo left FSU in a mess but as far as I can tell, their recruiting was good as ever.
Based on these ranking nobody in the ACC other than Clemson is even close.
The athletes are there, maybe the coaching is not developing the players, but that is up to Taggart and his staff.

2020 - FSU was #9
2019 - FSU was #19
2018 - FSU was #11
2017 - FSU was #6
2016 - FSU was #3
2015 - FSU was #3

One thing recruiting rank doesn't tell you - was every position adequately covered? You can have great classes with no QB and no OL.

This is true. What's also true is that recruiting rankings aren't very reliable to begin with. If Alabama gives a scholarship to the 2-star son of a former colleague as a favor to him, that kid could become a 4-star recruit overnight just because Saban "recruited" him. Maybe there's still some of that going on with unrealistic expectations about the recruiting savvy of FSU coaches.

I was assuming the coaching staff would make sure that every position is covered so I am guessing they would take care of that.
As for recruiting rankings, i did notice that there is a bit of a recruiting bias towards Florida, Texas, Georgia and California recruits. I suppose the difference between a 4-star and a 3-star is pretty close for the most part. I think players get the benefit of the doubt by being in one of the states i listed above so start with a higher ranking.
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(09-02-2019 05:16 PM)nole Wrote:  FSU has had LAZY recruiting. Yes, loaded on DBs (4 star DBs are a dime a dozen in Florida), etc but ignored OL for about 8 years. Hasn't signed a decent Offensive Tackle in MANY years.

FSU's coaching is extremely bad (see where the assts of the last 5 year moved on to). S&C programming has been a mess for many years as well.

Taggart is in WAY over his head. I've never seen a worse coach and I sat through Jeff BOwden.

FSU has been soft at MULTIPLE levels. One of about 20 examples is, FSU fired it's last AD (basically) after it gave him a promotion.....after they fired him, the president replaced him with his college buddy,an accountant with 0 experience in college athletics.

This is the FSU way. It has been covered up by Bobby Bowdens run and a short Jimbo run. But Jimbo left, in part, because FSU is amateur hour with leadership. Run by good ole boys who can't compete with the sharks.

Ouch, that is really bad. Giving people promotions based on being friends is really bad. I did notice that the offensive line was not good last year so this is something that definately needs to be addressed because that is the key for the entire offense, you can get good skill guys but if the offensive line is bad then you are screwed.
If it is any consolation, Boise State is a good team and the loss is not terrible like Tennessee's loss to Georgia State. I think with some good position coaches and perhaps more targeted recruiting Taggart can turn it around although i did not see the game.
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(09-02-2019 07:39 PM)nole Wrote:  
(09-02-2019 07:26 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  
(09-02-2019 07:22 PM)nole Wrote:  
(09-02-2019 07:15 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  
(09-02-2019 06:45 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Good lord. That's horrible. It's not like the guy is running a lemonade stand, this is FSU athletics! One of the most successful in the ACC!

Assistant AD, he has the same amount of experience as the last AD FSU hired and now he is second in command at the NCAA HQ.

The basketball AD from Duke? Great fit for FSU...........

Of course, FSU ran him off kindly because of his train wreck handling of the football building. It was so bad that basically fired him on the spot. When the NCAA bailed him out (nothing says competent like NCAA right?) FSU publiclly admitted he left a train wreck behind with the finances and other areas (see social media department highlighted for embarrassments in Wall Street Journal article).

Nice try.

Nice try? Everything I said was true. Good thing we have an accountant cleaning up his mess.

With not 1 day experience in College Athletics. But he went to college with the president.

Gonna be a LONG....LONG dry spell for FSU with the good ole boy network running things.

Wow, is it really that bad. I am getting the impression that the Athletic Department budgets are a mess. It will really be bad if the athletics department is in a financial mess because then no buyout of Willie Taggart and the staff will be possible. That means having an under performing football team will be the least of the worries of the University management.
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(09-02-2019 10:40 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  
(09-02-2019 05:16 PM)nole Wrote:  FSU has had LAZY recruiting. Yes, loaded on DBs (4 star DBs are a dime a dozen in Florida), etc but ignored OL for about 8 years. Hasn't signed a decent Offensive Tackle in MANY years.

FSU's coaching is extremely bad (see where the assts of the last 5 year moved on to). S&C programming has been a mess for many years as well.

Taggart is in WAY over his head. I've never seen a worse coach and I sat through Jeff BOwden.

FSU has been soft at MULTIPLE levels. One of about 20 examples is, FSU fired it's last AD (basically) after it gave him a promotion.....after they fired him, the president replaced him with his college buddy,an accountant with 0 experience in college athletics.

This is the FSU way. It has been covered up by Bobby Bowdens run and a short Jimbo run. But Jimbo left, in part, because FSU is amateur hour with leadership. Run by good ole boys who can't compete with the sharks.

Ouch, that is really bad. Giving people promotions based on being friends is really bad. I did notice that the offensive line was not good last year so this is something that definately needs to be addressed because that is the key for the entire offense, you can get good skill guys but if the offensive line is bad then you are screwed.
If it is any consolation, Boise State is a good team and the loss is not terrible like Tennessee's loss to Georgia State. I think with some good position coaches and perhaps more targeted recruiting Taggart can turn it around although i did not see the game.

Boise St is good. No doubt.

I make one simple claim. FSU has lost 6 out of the last 7 football games. WT is suspect, VERY much so. Anyone that thinks that is reactionary .......just doesn't seem to understand coaches that make $5 million a year should be questioned. Especially with those results at FSU.
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(09-02-2019 10:50 PM)nole Wrote:  
(09-02-2019 10:40 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  
(09-02-2019 05:16 PM)nole Wrote:  FSU has had LAZY recruiting. Yes, loaded on DBs (4 star DBs are a dime a dozen in Florida), etc but ignored OL for about 8 years. Hasn't signed a decent Offensive Tackle in MANY years.

FSU's coaching is extremely bad (see where the assts of the last 5 year moved on to). S&C programming has been a mess for many years as well.

Taggart is in WAY over his head. I've never seen a worse coach and I sat through Jeff BOwden.

FSU has been soft at MULTIPLE levels. One of about 20 examples is, FSU fired it's last AD (basically) after it gave him a promotion.....after they fired him, the president replaced him with his college buddy,an accountant with 0 experience in college athletics.

This is the FSU way. It has been covered up by Bobby Bowdens run and a short Jimbo run. But Jimbo left, in part, because FSU is amateur hour with leadership. Run by good ole boys who can't compete with the sharks.

Ouch, that is really bad. Giving people promotions based on being friends is really bad. I did notice that the offensive line was not good last year so this is something that definately needs to be addressed because that is the key for the entire offense, you can get good skill guys but if the offensive line is bad then you are screwed.
If it is any consolation, Boise State is a good team and the loss is not terrible like Tennessee's loss to Georgia State. I think with some good position coaches and perhaps more targeted recruiting Taggart can turn it around although i did not see the game.

Boise St is good. No doubt.

I make one simple claim. FSU has lost 6 out of the last 7 football games. WT is suspect, VERY much so. Anyone that thinks that is reactionary .......just doesn't seem to understand coaches that make $5 million a year should be questioned. Especially with those results at FSU.

Have to agree, i would be upset too, if I were an FSU fan. I don't understand why they had to give him $5million for 6 years is crazy, especially for a coach with mediocre results before joining FSU.
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Mike Leach likes sunny weather and has a beach house in Florida. I'm sure he could be convinced to move to Tallahassee. And I'd love to see his offense in the ACC.... Well in the Atlantic division any way.
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Stoops has FSU connections & is doing very well (to well) at Kentucky.


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(09-04-2019 02:02 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Stoops has FSU connections & is doing very well (to well) at Kentucky.


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Stoops did a lot to build the 2013 championship defense at FSU. I'd love to see what Stoops + Brides could do, TBH.

At any rate, if Tagger stays, something may need to be done about the defense.
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Stoops did a lot to build the 2013 championship defense at FSU. I'd love to see what Stoops + Brides could do, TBH.

At any rate, if Tagger stays, something may need to be done about the defense.

I don't think there is any way WT is gone after this year, because of the financial commitment of a buyout, plus the buyout of any coach they might hire.

I'm guessing that the next step is a new D coordinator next year. Jim Leavitt has been linked to FSU twice now without that materializing. He's not cheap, but I'm guessing FSU would rather try spending $2M on a D coordinator before $25M+ on a buyout.

Dabo was was a considered mostly a joke when his coordinators were Billy Napier and Kevin Steele, and a genius with Chad Morris and Brent Venables. I'm guessing that FSU will hope to catch that mojo before sweeping out this regime.

Of course, Dabo was a receivers coach when he got elevated, a guy in his fourth head job like Taggart should rightfully have a shorter leash than Dabo.
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(09-04-2019 02:02 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Stoops has FSU connections & is doing very well (to well) at Kentucky.


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Stoops did a lot to build the 2013 championship defense at FSU. I'd love to see what Stoops + Brides could do, TBH.

At any rate, if Tagger stays, something may need to be done about the defense.

I don't think there is any way WT is gone after this year, because of the financial commitment of a buyout, plus the buyout of any coach they might hire.

I'm guessing that the next step is a new D coordinator next year. Jim Leavitt has been linked to FSU twice now without that materializing. He's not cheap, but I'm guessing FSU would rather try spending $2M on a D coordinator before $25M+ on a buyout.

Dabo was was a considered mostly a joke when his coordinators were Billy Napier and Kevin Steele, and a genius with Chad Morris and Brent Venables. I'm guessing that FSU will hope to catch that mojo before sweeping out this regime.

Of course, Dabo was a receivers coach when he got elevated, a guy in his fourth head job like Taggart should rightfully have a shorter leash than Dabo.


Theres no way that FSU should pull the trigger this year, but in the future? I wouldn’t mind seeing Stoops leave Lexington.


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(09-04-2019 03:05 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
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(09-04-2019 02:02 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Stoops has FSU connections & is doing very well (to well) at Kentucky.


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Stoops did a lot to build the 2013 championship defense at FSU. I'd love to see what Stoops + Brides could do, TBH.

At any rate, if Tagger stays, something may need to be done about the defense.

I don't think there is any way WT is gone after this year, because of the financial commitment of a buyout, plus the buyout of any coach they might hire.

I'm guessing that the next step is a new D coordinator next year. Jim Leavitt has been linked to FSU twice now without that materializing. He's not cheap, but I'm guessing FSU would rather try spending $2M on a D coordinator before $25M+ on a buyout.

Dabo was was a considered mostly a joke when his coordinators were Billy Napier and Kevin Steele, and a genius with Chad Morris and Brent Venables. I'm guessing that FSU will hope to catch that mojo before sweeping out this regime.

Of course, Dabo was a receivers coach when he got elevated, a guy in his fourth head job like Taggart should rightfully have a shorter leash than Dabo.

Leavitt at DC fixes a lot.
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I would not mind Leavitt as DC, He was the first choice, but that fell through.
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Strong maybe available soon. He has bombed as a HC since leaving UofL but he would be a quality DC.


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I’d rather have Leavitt than Strong....I think. I don’t think Harlon Barnett is going to last much longer. It only took Mark Stoops to transform the worst FSU defense ever in 2009 to respectable in 2010, then elite in 2011, 2012. If the defense does not find its groove by the end of the year then you really need to find a better coach.
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