(09-01-2019 08:26 PM)nole Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 07:06 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  NC State? What did they show yesterday that makes anyone think they can beat Florida State?


Virginia is gonna beat a bunch of people this year.


We saw how good FSU could be in the first half. They put a full game together, they'll easily exceed 500 this year.

Taggart ain't going anywhere, and the Noles fans will be happy about that ... eventually.

.500? really, FSU fans will be thrilled. You watch football much? FSu just had worst season in 40 years. WT isn't winning the fans over with 7 wins.

Next season tougher schedule gonna be a huge problem for him as well.

He is gone this Dec or next. The only thing that matters is the fans and how many tix they buy. They wont' be buying them with 7 and 8 win season at FSU.

It's all over but the wait now.

You can put words in my mouth all you want, but it defeats the purpose when you link to my actual quote.

Bottom line is Jimbo left you a dumpster fire. When he left FSU in 2017, the Noles were 5 and 6. Your interim coach had to win two to get you over 500.

Taggart gets to clean all that up. It won't happen over night.

But I hope you do fire him. It will keep you guys in the wilderness for another couple years.

(09-01-2019 04:13 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 02:38 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(08-31-2019 05:08 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  If Virginia and NC State are losses for FSU, and Clemson will surely be a loss, I expect Taggart to be out before the season ends

What good does it do to fire a coach before the end of a season? What good does it do to fire a coach so early in his contract? Does this sort of twitchy behavior make FSU seem appealing to top flight coaches who might think about the job? I can’t guarantee that patience will be rewarded but impatience is likely to be punished.

If Taggart can't do it, I would want to see if Briles can do it. I'd let Briles coach out the rest of the season

Twitchy Behavior? I'd say Tennessee and South Carolina could use some twitchy behviors. I don't want to see FSU reach that level.

FSU has the talent to win now. I don't expect Taggart to beat Clemson out of the gate, but FSU blew the game Saturday, largely cause of coaching.

Taggart isn't showing he is cut out for this. I think FSU has the wrong guy. Maybe he can prove me wrong. Virginia is a must win now. Too many losses and he's going to lose the team.

I am not sure Taggart can do it either, but it seems a little fast to be firing him after the 1st season. Yes, he has shown that he is not good at hiring assistant coaches.

(09-01-2019 04:16 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 02:35 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I think FSU will keep Taggart for a quite a while.
The reasons are numerous:

If Florida State fires Taggart before his contract expires on Jan. 31, 2023, his buyout is 85 percent of the remaining balance. For example, for simplicity's sake, if the Seminoles fire Taggart on Feb. 1, 2020, after his second full season as head coach, they would owe him 85 percent of $20 million, or $17 million.

Feb. 1, 2020: $17 million
Feb. 1, 2021: $12.75 million
Feb. 1, 2022: $8.5 million
Feb. 1: 2023: $4.25 million

Willie seems to be a good recruiter
FSU finished #19 in recruiting rankings in 2019 recruits
FSU is #9 in recruiting rankings for 2020 recruits.

With his good recruiting it is surprising my team Syracuse even has a chance on the field. Syracuse consistently finished #55 in 2019 recruiting and #69 in 2020 recruiting.
Perhaps he just needs to hire better coaches.
Anyways it is too soon to fire him, it will break the bank. I hope he has a long career with FSU.

So what? Eat the money and fire the people that hired him too

I think it is too much money, plus the University president does not want to shine a light on them signing off on the hire and then firing him so soon. The people in power want to make it look like they gave him a chance plus they do not want to have that high an amount they had to pay out. It was a bad decision to hire him, i do not know what they were thinking because, he was not elite anywhere before and to pay him $5million a season is ridiculous.

(09-01-2019 06:28 PM)nole Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 02:35 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I think FSU will keep Taggart for a quite a while.
The reasons are numerous:

If Florida State fires Taggart before his contract expires on Jan. 31, 2023, his buyout is 85 percent of the remaining balance. For example, for simplicity's sake, if the Seminoles fire Taggart on Feb. 1, 2020, after his second full season as head coach, they would owe him 85 percent of $20 million, or $17 million.

Feb. 1, 2020: $17 million
Feb. 1, 2021: $12.75 million
Feb. 1, 2022: $8.5 million
Feb. 1: 2023: $4.25 million

Willie seems to be a good recruiter
FSU finished #19 in recruiting rankings in 2019 recruits
FSU is #9 in recruiting rankings for 2020 recruits.

With his good recruiting it is surprising my team Syracuse even has a chance on the field. Syracuse consistently finished #55 in 2019 recruiting and #69 in 2020 recruiting.
Perhaps he just needs to hire better coaches.
Anyways it is too soon to fire him, it will break the bank. I hope he has a long career with FSU.

Jimbo averaged #6 with his recruiting classes. That is AVERAGE. Bobby Bowden was similar for basically his last 2-3 decades.

Willie landing the #19 class doesn't prove anything good about his recruiting. Not at FSU.

He has hired horrible coaches. That is part of his issue and why he has failed.


If FSU has lost 18K season tix holders the last few years (not all Willies fault, but still part of the logic), That is how much money?

Avg season tix costs say $300 plus $200 donation (just a swag, but I pay like $3K just for donation as example).

So $500 times 18K = $9 Million a year. EXTREMELY conservative estimate and doesn't even touch the impact of local economy.


Why folks ONLY look at the buyout is beyond me. FSU football brings in 10s of millions and folks only look at the buyout in a vaccum.


FSU WILL lose 10s of millinos if they fire Willie and they WILL lose 10s of millions if they don't.


The money is lost no matter what. Should FSU lose it with willie still HC on the other end? Or lose it and have Willie replaced by a coach the fans believe in?

The reason why the money matters is because the top university people are going to have their names beside the buyout. That has to look really bad as they signed off on his hire and his contract. They will want to save face and not make it look like they had to pay too much of a buyout. With that amount of talent coming in, that shows that Willie Taggart and his coaches might be in the running for the coaches who do the least with the most talent. I do not think it will be a disasterous season, there should be at least 5 wins and 7 losses and an outside shot at 6-6 and a bowl game.

(09-01-2019 08:26 PM)nole Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 07:06 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  NC State? What did they show yesterday that makes anyone think they can beat Florida State?


Virginia is gonna beat a bunch of people this year.


We saw how good FSU could be in the first half. They put a full game together, they'll easily exceed 500 this year.

Taggart ain't going anywhere, and the Noles fans will be happy about that ... eventually.

.500? really, FSU fans will be thrilled. You watch football much? FSu just had worst season in 40 years. WT isn't winning the fans over with 7 wins.

Next season tougher schedule gonna be a huge problem for him as well.

He is gone this Dec or next. The only thing that matters is the fans and how many tix they buy. They wont' be buying them with 7 and 8 win season at FSU.

It's all over but the wait now.

I feel your pain, it was really bad at Syracuse for a long time with bad coaches. It happens to all programs, look what happened to Texas when they were losing and look at what is happening with USC Trojans. The fans don't like it but it tends to happen when a bad coaching hire is done. FSU fans may not like .500 but if it is only for a couple years then its not so bad. Syracuse fans got used to 3 and 4 win seasons and then when we got Doug Marrone (current coach for the Jacksonville Jaguars) things turned around. Things are really on the upswing with the current coach Dino Babers. He is a winner and a really good coach and also a good assessor of talent and a good motivator for the players.
I do not think it will be that bad for FSU, there is too much talent on the roster and new players coming next year for FSU to be too bad. I think for sure FSU is going to win 5 games this year and if things go good a 6-6 or 7-5 season are not out of the question. Sure its not great but its progress and a bowl game will be nice.

NC State DOES NOT have FSU's number. Their recent record is more an indication of FSU's decline than any thing.

FSU has a base they can go to and get the buyout. That base isn't going to cough up $20 million for another Taggart. They will want a winning coach with a name appeal.

I was surprised FSU went with Taggart to begin with. IIRC, they chose him pretty quickly. Maybe they were looking when Jimbo was talking to A&M but it didn't seem like much of a search.

Taggert is a program builder. At WKU he went 2-10 his first year & then went 7-5 in back to back seasons. He turned WKU into a D1 worthy program. He did the same thing at USF, going 2-10 in his first year & then 11-2 after the fourth. I remember Syracuse wasn’t so high on Babers early on either but their patience paid off. Its way to early to put Taggert on the hot seat!


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So what about Dino to FSU?

(09-02-2019 11:56 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  NC State DOES NOT have FSU's number. Their recent record is more an indication of FSU's decline than any thing.

FSU has a base they can go to and get the buyout. That base isn't going to cough up $20 million for another Taggart. They will want a winning coach with a name appeal.

I was surprised FSU went with Taggart to begin with. IIRC, they chose him pretty quickly. Maybe they were looking when Jimbo was talking to A&M but it didn't seem like much of a search.

Why is FSU in such bad shape anyways. One of the posters above said that Jimbo left FSU in a mess but as far as I can tell, their recruiting was good as ever.
Based on these ranking nobody in the ACC other than Clemson is even close.
The athletes are there, maybe the coaching is not developing the players, but that is up to Taggart and his staff.

2020 - FSU was #9
2019 - FSU was #19
2018 - FSU was #11
2017 - FSU was #6
2016 - FSU was #3
2015 - FSU was #3

(09-02-2019 03:27 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  So what about Dino to FSU?

No way, FSU can afford that as Dino just signed an extension until 2024 so the buyout will be large. Maybe FSU should go after Urban Meyer? He is a proven winner, although it seems like he is enjoying his Fox Sports gig.

(09-02-2019 03:27 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  So what about Dino to FSU?

NO. But you guys can have Greg Robinson. Or what about Scott Shafer?

(09-01-2019 11:14 AM)nole Wrote:  FSU had 43K season tix holders a few years ago. 25K this year.

Keep Willie next year you will see 15-18K.

Good luck, with that FSU. Athletics has been mismanaged for years and it was part of Jimbo's issues at FSU.


Somebody explain to me how Willie learns how to coach if given a 3rd year. FSU's issues are even deeper than Willie. They need to completely revamp leadership starting with Athletic Dir.

That's what's going to drive the decision - not how many games does he lose this year.

(09-02-2019 04:03 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 11:56 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  NC State DOES NOT have FSU's number. Their recent record is more an indication of FSU's decline than any thing.

FSU has a base they can go to and get the buyout. That base isn't going to cough up $20 million for another Taggart. They will want a winning coach with a name appeal.

I was surprised FSU went with Taggart to begin with. IIRC, they chose him pretty quickly. Maybe they were looking when Jimbo was talking to A&M but it didn't seem like much of a search.

Why is FSU in such bad shape anyways. One of the posters above said that Jimbo left FSU in a mess but as far as I can tell, their recruiting was good as ever.
Based on these ranking nobody in the ACC other than Clemson is even close.
The athletes are there, maybe the coaching is not developing the players, but that is up to Taggart and his staff.

2020 - FSU was #9
2019 - FSU was #19
2018 - FSU was #11
2017 - FSU was #6
2016 - FSU was #3
2015 - FSU was #3

One thing recruiting rank doesn't tell you - was every position adequately covered? You can have great classes with no QB and no OL.

(09-02-2019 04:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 04:03 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 11:56 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  NC State DOES NOT have FSU's number. Their recent record is more an indication of FSU's decline than any thing.

FSU has a base they can go to and get the buyout. That base isn't going to cough up $20 million for another Taggart. They will want a winning coach with a name appeal.

I was surprised FSU went with Taggart to begin with. IIRC, they chose him pretty quickly. Maybe they were looking when Jimbo was talking to A&M but it didn't seem like much of a search.

Why is FSU in such bad shape anyways. One of the posters above said that Jimbo left FSU in a mess but as far as I can tell, their recruiting was good as ever.
Based on these ranking nobody in the ACC other than Clemson is even close.
The athletes are there, maybe the coaching is not developing the players, but that is up to Taggart and his staff.

2020 - FSU was #9
2019 - FSU was #19
2018 - FSU was #11
2017 - FSU was #6
2016 - FSU was #3
2015 - FSU was #3

One thing recruiting rank doesn't tell you - was every position adequately covered? You can have great classes with no QB and no OL.

This is true. What's also true is that recruiting rankings aren't very reliable to begin with. If Alabama gives a scholarship to the 2-star son of a former colleague as a favor to him, that kid could become a 4-star recruit overnight just because Saban "recruited" him. Maybe there's still some of that going on with unrealistic expectations about the recruiting savvy of FSU coaches.

FSU has had LAZY recruiting. Yes, loaded on DBs (4 star DBs are a dime a dozen in Florida), etc but ignored OL for about 8 years. Hasn't signed a decent Offensive Tackle in MANY years.

FSU's coaching is extremely bad (see where the assts of the last 5 year moved on to). S&C programming has been a mess for many years as well.

Taggart is in WAY over his head. I've never seen a worse coach and I sat through Jeff BOwden.

FSU has been soft at MULTIPLE levels. One of about 20 examples is, FSU fired it's last AD (basically) after it gave him a promotion.....after they fired him, the president replaced him with his college buddy,an accountant with 0 experience in college athletics.

This is the FSU way. It has been covered up by Bobby Bowdens run and a short Jimbo run. But Jimbo left, in part, because FSU is amateur hour with leadership. Run by good ole boys who can't compete with the sharks.

(09-02-2019 05:16 PM)nole Wrote:  .....after they fired him, the president replaced him with his college buddy,an accountant with 0 experience in college athletics.

Good lord. That's horrible. It's not like the guy is running a lemonade stand, this is FSU athletics! One of the most successful in the ACC!

You would think FSU just lost to Furman by the hot take reactions.

(09-02-2019 06:52 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  You would think FSU just lost to Furman by the hot take reactions.

WT is 5-8 at FSU.

FSU has lost 6 out of it's last 7 football games.

FSU is 12-14 in it's last 26 games.


But sure, let's just claim the evaluation is just an overreaction to 1 game.

(09-02-2019 06:45 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 05:16 PM)nole Wrote:  .....after they fired him, the president replaced him with his college buddy,an accountant with 0 experience in college athletics.

Good lord. That's horrible. It's not like the guy is running a lemonade stand, this is FSU athletics! One of the most successful in the ACC!

Assistant AD, he has the same amount of experience as the last AD FSU hired and now he is second in command at the NCAA HQ.

(09-02-2019 07:15 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 06:45 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 05:16 PM)nole Wrote:  .....after they fired him, the president replaced him with his college buddy,an accountant with 0 experience in college athletics.

Good lord. That's horrible. It's not like the guy is running a lemonade stand, this is FSU athletics! One of the most successful in the ACC!

Assistant AD, he has the same amount of experience as the last AD FSU hired and now he is second in command at the NCAA HQ.

The basketball AD from Duke? Great fit for FSU...........

Of course, FSU ran him off kindly because of his train wreck handling of the football building. It was so bad that basically fired him on the spot. When the NCAA bailed him out (nothing says competent like NCAA right?) FSU publiclly admitted he left a train wreck behind with the finances and other areas (see social media department highlighted for embarrassments in Wall Street Journal article).

Nice try.