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RE: ESPN: CUSA stole the wrong programs from Sun-Belt
(08-28-2019 10:22 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
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Full disclosure, I'm a Texas State fan.

When will the AD's and commissioners get over themselves, and realign the Sun Belt and CUSA? That's what I would like to see.

Yes because ESPN is the voice of reason for college football....CUSA has never finished last and doubt it will this year....But whatever makes your feel better, me personally tired of all the preseason talk, ready for the actual games to begin...

I wouldn't say they're the voice of reason per se, but ESPN is a substantial part of college football analysis and opinion, without a doubt.

FWIW, CUSA has finished last place previously. CUSA was an almost unanimous pick as last place in 2016.

Sagarin: Last place in 2016, 2018
NPI: Last place in 2012, 2015, 2016
ELO Chess: Last place in 2012, 2015, 2016

And writing on this further validates his point. The one team he mentions - App wasn't even in the league.

And he says six teams are 71 through 90 (and uses that and the projected win totals as a basis for establishing both a close race and low quality in his last sentence). Which he also established by saying four of the worst nine teams are in C-USA. Yet, all but two of the current Sun Belt line-up are themselves 83 and up.

I don't think there is any question the bottom of the league drags down what has been a pretty decent top half of the league otherwise. I think App would be a good addition to the league, but basketball also matters and the bottom part of our league there is horrible too. So, adding to that doesn't help.
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RE: ESPN: CUSA stole the wrong programs from Sun-Belt
Who finished higher last year, any one have the official payouts?
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RE: ESPN: CUSA stole the wrong programs from Sun-Belt
(08-28-2019 10:33 AM)rileylives Wrote:  UTEP and Rice, yes. But they have had pretty good success in the past. UTEP is a sleeping giant.

How is UTEP a sleeping giant? They haven't had more than 8 wins in over 30 years, and only 10 winning seasons in 60 years.

I don't see much evidence of an upward trajectory, especially from a program that lost by 20 points last season to a 4-6 FCS team.


(08-28-2019 10:56 AM)rileylives Wrote:  As bad as Conference USA is, there is no question it is a much more appealing situation than the Sun Belt.

I don't think making less money is appealing to anyone. Here are the CFP payouts over the years:

2018 - Sun Belt (1.72 million per school), C-USA (1.11 million per school)
2017 - Sun Belt (1.40 million per school), C-USA (1.18 million per school)
2016 - Sun Belt (1.56 million per school), C-USA (1.07 million per school)
2015 - no data
2014 - Sun Belt (1.18 million per school), C-USA (1.16 million per school)
2013 - Sun Belt received $1 million per school in the last year of the BCS for finishing as the #1 non-AQ conference, ahead of AAC, MWC, CUSA, and MAC. Not sure of CUSA's numbers per team, but it was less.

This is one of your key reasons CUSA isn't appealing. No Sun Belt school would take a revenue loss, on top of a entry and exit fee, to join the CUSA ranks. And like I've said before, no Sun Belt team is going to trade their ESPN deal with national broadcasts for Facebook Live and Stadium.
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RE: ESPN: CUSA stole the wrong programs from Sun-Belt
Well I wouldn't expect you to understand. Your program hasn't been around long enough to see this. When Marshall entered the league 2005, there was a run of about five years where UTEP was a top contender. They consistently have the highest attendance when that program is humming.

same can be said for UTEP basketball. Heck, we even had a year where our conference Championship was in El Paso because they had such great support.
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(08-28-2019 11:30 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Well I wouldn't expect you to understand. Your program hasn't been around long enough to see this. When Marshall entered the league 2005, there was a run of about five years where UTEP was a top contender. They consistently have the highest attendance when that program is humming.

same can be said for UTEP basketball. Heck, we even had a year where our conference Championship was in El Paso because they had such great support.

Basketball I can understand. But UTEP football has been an overall mess for so long, it's going to be hard to get that train over the hill.
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RE: ESPN: CUSA stole the wrong programs from Sun-Belt
Here's why we should just ignore this article:

1. App State was not an FBS school when the last round of C-USA additions had occurred.
2. The 5 worst C-USA teams did not come from the SunBelt.

Either the author has no clue what he's talking about or this is really not considered a truly analytical piece.
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RE: ESPN: CUSA stole the wrong programs from Sun-Belt
I like the teams in Conference USA. Marshall fans are going to travel wherever, but I'm sure we are going to get more Southern Miss fans in Huntington then just about anyone aside from Appalachian State.
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RE: ESPN: CUSA stole the wrong programs from Sun-Belt
(08-28-2019 10:35 AM)jj1180 Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 10:27 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 09:56 AM)jj1180 Wrote:  
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(08-28-2019 09:50 AM)jj1180 Wrote:  This makes my day. 03-lmfao
Full disclosure, I'm a Texas State fan.

When will the AD's and commissioners get over themselves, and realign the Sun Belt and CUSA? That's what I would like to see.

Yes because ESPN is the voice of reason for college football....CUSA has never finished last and doubt it will this year....But whatever makes your feel better, me personally tired of all the preseason talk, ready for the actual games to begin...

I understand that being in denial is currently helping you cope with the fact that CUSA is a total embarrassment. Try not to let that denial affect your personal life.

You did say you were a Texas State fan right? I mean ODU has hit hard times on the grid iron lately but at least we're not Texas State, am I right? You've won 10 games combined in he last 4 years. Make sure you hold on tight to those coat tails.

Did you read the article?
"Most interesting name here: Texas State. The Bobcats enjoy massive continuity and were close to a breakthrough under former head coach Everett Withers. Can that breakthrough come anyway with Jake Spavital now in charge?"

Was ODU mentioned? Enjoy that ride into irrelevance. Texas State is finally working out of their irrelevance.

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RE: ESPN: CUSA stole the wrong programs from Sun-Belt
(08-28-2019 10:27 AM)jj1180 Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 10:07 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 09:56 AM)jj1180 Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 09:52 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 09:50 AM)jj1180 Wrote:  This makes my day. 03-lmfao
Full disclosure, I'm a Texas State fan.

When will the AD's and commissioners get over themselves, and realign the Sun Belt and CUSA? That's what I would like to see.

Yes because ESPN is the voice of reason for college football....CUSA has never finished last and doubt it will this year....But whatever makes your feel better, me personally tired of all the preseason talk, ready for the actual games to begin...

I understand that being in denial is currently helping you cope with the fact that CUSA is a total embarrassment. Try not to let that denial affect your personal life.


You're right, it is a total embarrassment, but at least we aren't in the Sun Belt.

I guess you didn't read the article.
Here's the word of the day for you. Trend: a general direction in which something is developing or changing.

As in, CUSA has way too many members that are spread too far apart, with no money. The conference is trending towards irrelevance.

And SBC is trying to dig themselves out of irrelevance. Which they were in a seriously deep hole.
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(08-28-2019 11:59 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  And SBC is trying to dig themselves out of irrelevance. Which they were in a seriously deep hole.

The SBC was indeed irrelevant. Funny thing is that was back when we had the 5 current CUSA schools. Since then, it's been gold.
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I love this! Y'all should have taken App when you had the chance. We know it, you know it, ESPN knows it, and UNCC fans will never admit it. It's really hilarious.
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RE: ESPN: CUSA stole the wrong programs from Sun-Belt
(08-28-2019 10:22 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 09:52 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 09:50 AM)jj1180 Wrote:  This makes my day. 03-lmfao
Full disclosure, I'm a Texas State fan.

When will the AD's and commissioners get over themselves, and realign the Sun Belt and CUSA? That's what I would like to see.

Yes because ESPN is the voice of reason for college football....CUSA has never finished last and doubt it will this year....But whatever makes your feel better, me personally tired of all the preseason talk, ready for the actual games to begin...

I wouldn't say they're the voice of reason per se, but ESPN is a substantial part of college football analysis and opinion, without a doubt.

FWIW, CUSA has finished last place previously. CUSA was an almost unanimous pick as last place in 2016.

Sagarin: Last place in 2016, 2018
NPI: Last place in 2012, 2015, 2016
ELO Chess: Last place in 2012, 2015, 2016

Really? CUSA sent 7 teams bowling in 2016.
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(08-28-2019 12:15 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  I love this! Y'all should have taken App when you had the chance. We know it, you know it, ESPN knows it, and UNCC fans will never admit it. It's really hilarious.

Football only, absolutely. I wouldn't touch you BB program with a ten foot pole. We'll keep Charlotte, thanks.

And we still have yet to see how you perform without Satterfield. On field success comes and goes at this level. Look at WKU, they navigated several coaching changes very well until they didn't.
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(08-28-2019 12:20 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 12:15 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  I love this! Y'all should have taken App when you had the chance. We know it, you know it, ESPN knows it, and UNCC fans will never admit it. It's really hilarious.

Football only, absolutely. I wouldn't touch you BB program with a ten foot pole. We'll keep Charlotte, thanks.

And we still have yet to see how you perform without Satterfield. On field success comes and goes at this level. Look at WKU, they navigated several coaching changes very well until they didn't.

Whatever makes you feel better. UNCC basketball sucks too.
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The whole TV market thing has proven to be a joke for CUSA. We just need more closer, regional schools that having proven winning traditions. No offense to these schools but if I was making the decisions I'd drop UTEP, Rice, ODU, Charlotte, and add Troy, ULL, Ark. State, and App State in a heartbeat.
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(08-28-2019 12:22 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 12:20 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 12:15 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  I love this! Y'all should have taken App when you had the chance. We know it, you know it, ESPN knows it, and UNCC fans will never admit it. It's really hilarious.

Football only, absolutely. I wouldn't touch you BB program with a ten foot pole. We'll keep Charlotte, thanks.

And we still have yet to see how you perform without Satterfield. On field success comes and goes at this level. Look at WKU, they navigated several coaching changes very well until they didn't.

Whatever makes you feel better. UNCC basketball sucks too.

But they won't for long. It's not just about sucking though, it's about not caring or investing. I looked at your OOC schedule at some point last year and was shocked. They make the team go on the road for a bunch of pay games and bring in a bunch of DII and lower level DI teams. You're set up for failure. App St is where they belong with a bunch of other rural schools that sold the rest of the AD for decent FB. Even our smaller market schools have pretty good BB and even our dregs are putting in effort in the sport.
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(08-28-2019 12:23 PM)TTT Wrote:  The whole TV market thing has proven to be a joke for CUSA. We just need more closer, regional schools that having proven winning traditions. No offense to these schools but if I was making the decisions I'd drop UTEP, Rice, ODU, Charlotte, and add Troy, ULL, Ark. State, and App State in a heartbeat.

Well yeah, if you're making a USM centric league I guess you would but I'm sorry darling but the world does not revolve around you. When you were abandoned by your former conference mates you had teams in El Paso, Greenville, Huntington, Tulsa, Birmingham and Hattiesburg. You could take other teams then you did but you ain't making a tight footprint out of that.
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RE: ESPN: CUSA stole the wrong programs from Sun-Belt
(08-28-2019 12:18 PM)TTT Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 10:22 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 09:52 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 09:50 AM)jj1180 Wrote:  This makes my day. 03-lmfao
Full disclosure, I'm a Texas State fan.

When will the AD's and commissioners get over themselves, and realign the Sun Belt and CUSA? That's what I would like to see.

Yes because ESPN is the voice of reason for college football....CUSA has never finished last and doubt it will this year....But whatever makes your feel better, me personally tired of all the preseason talk, ready for the actual games to begin...

I wouldn't say they're the voice of reason per se, but ESPN is a substantial part of college football analysis and opinion, without a doubt.

FWIW, CUSA has finished last place previously. CUSA was an almost unanimous pick as last place in 2016.

Sagarin: Last place in 2016, 2018
NPI: Last place in 2012, 2015, 2016
ELO Chess: Last place in 2012, 2015, 2016

Really? CUSA sent 7 teams bowling in 2016.

Yeah, but CUSA pretty much beat up on each other that year and had the worst OOC record of any conference. Even 5-7 North Texas made it to a bowl that year.

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sa...onference/

http://warrennolan.com/football/2016/conferenceelo
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(08-28-2019 12:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 12:22 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 12:20 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 12:15 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  I love this! Y'all should have taken App when you had the chance. We know it, you know it, ESPN knows it, and UNCC fans will never admit it. It's really hilarious.

Football only, absolutely. I wouldn't touch you BB program with a ten foot pole. We'll keep Charlotte, thanks.

And we still have yet to see how you perform without Satterfield. On field success comes and goes at this level. Look at WKU, they navigated several coaching changes very well until they didn't.

Whatever makes you feel better. UNCC basketball sucks too.

But they won't for long. It's not just about sucking though, it's about not caring or investing. I looked at your OOC schedule at some point last year and was shocked. They make the team go on the road for a bunch of pay games and bring in a bunch of DII and lower level DI teams. You're set up for failure. App St is where they belong with a bunch of other rural schools that sold the rest of the AD for decent FB. Even our smaller market schools have pretty good BB and even our dregs are putting in effort in the sport.

Yeah, we're not invincible, but saying we're set up for failure is a stretch. It's okay to just admit that CUSA should have picked us. I'm sure in hindsight, they would.
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Has the SBC ever had a team finish the season ranked in the AP?

All of this posting of ranking....


all that means is the SBC had fewer team and not as bad of a bottom. What are the records during bowl season? I honestly have no clue on the answer to that question and dont have the time to research it. That's when you are having the top of a conference face the top of other conferences.

Is CUSA bottom larger? yes. Mainly by having 14 schools while the SBC had 11 for most years...there's the difference in any "rating"
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