(09-06-2019 04:22 PM)Rice93 Wrote: (09-06-2019 04:17 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: (09-06-2019 04:03 PM)Rice93 Wrote: (09-06-2019 03:59 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: (09-06-2019 03:43 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: OO was the one saying he knew of not a single thing/instance.
I provided a direct contradiction to his insistence that these things don't happen...
OK , now that is specious.
Kind of silly too. Finding an incident of man bites dog does not prove that men all over the country are viciously biting dogs.
I don’t remember saying not a single incident. Maybe when I said nobody these days is shut out of a school, a college, a job, a restaurant, a restroom, etc, by race you took that mean I was saying we live in a perfectly color blind nation. I believe my exact words, which you quoted, were “not so much”.
Instead, I would like you to explain how those three people you named are oppressed. Second request.
I am sure there is a lumber yard owner somewhere that would rather hire whites than blacks. I am equally sure there are contractors who would rather hire blacks than white. Neither are proof that this is an oppressive country.
OO thinks that racism is no longer a problem in America. I would be surprised if even the far right wingers in this country would echo that sentiment.
I'm pretty sure that there is nothing that I can post here that is going to change his mind if that is his stance.
Why not take a crack at the very basic question asked. Do you think the United States is an oppressive nation?
I mean, seriously, all you are doing with your answer is sticking your fingers in your ear and going on a passive/aggressive course of denigrating the person who asked the question, and then shouting 'LALALALALALALALA'. All without answering the question. Lolz.
Why not just answer that question?
Here was the exchange:
Him: And tell us if you think the USA is an oppressive country.
Me: Again... busy so will respond more later but of course the USA has a long history of injustice when it comes to black people. Does injustice = oppression?
But ignore it so you get a chance to go off in your typical way (bolded).
You impressively omit items, dont you?
How about this:
Him: And tell us if you think the USA is an oppressive country.
Me: Again... busy so will respond more later but of course the USA has a long history of injustice when it comes to black people. Does injustice = oppression?
Him: [to lad] tell us if you think the USA is an oppressive country.
You: OO thinks that racism is no longer a problem in America. I would be surprised if even the far right wingers in this country would echo that sentiment.
I'm pretty sure that there is nothing that I can post here that is going to change his mind if that is his stance.
You forgot about that lil' ol' portion in the italics of the exchange in your selective timeline. I do love the smugness in there as well:
"OO thinks racism is no longer a problem. Even the dumfuck right wingers dont echo that. I'm pretty sure that there is nothing that even smart me can post that can change his ignorant ass mind"
Bravo there. Step 1: Selectively edit the timeline; step 2: respond in a smug as fk way when the question is asked to someone else; step 3) when called out on it 'forget' your piping up from the sidelines to the same fking question in that manner.
Good job there 93.
So here is my straight answer -- no, I dont believe that the United States is an oppressive country. I know way too many people from my hometown of El Paso, where were born in the worst situations possible, and with the supposedly 'wrong' color of skin, who have done absolutely extraordinary things with themselves and for themselves to believe that pile of crap.
Have they had to work a little harder to achieve those things? Perhaps yes. Some gave up 10 years to the armed services, but came out fing doctors, and make north of 7 figures. Some own the largest commercial HVAC operations in the city. Some used the UTEP route and became elected city leaders. Some went the EP Community College route became top notch Wall Street attorneys. And I could say that pathway for so many individuals, some who literally grew up in two bedroom hovels in the heart of Segundo Barrio with 7 siblings.
Now had I known zero of my old high school mates to make it out of the shithole of South El Paso, I might believe you. But that zero number isnt there. And for that reason alone, and for the numbers I see have made them and their families so much amazingly better, I dont believe the song and dance that the United States is a shithole of oppression, that thing that you and lad seem to cling to so desperately.
The mark of oppression is when that transition upwards doesnt happen to a class for whatever reason. Can we do a better job to provide better opportunities? No doubt. Does a starting point make it ahrder to make that break to the farthest up gorup? No doubt. Can, and have, we done better about that issue of opportunity? Hell yes. But that isnt oppression. That isnt in the fing slightest.
Oppression: prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control. Look at the definition closely. Closer than you make up timelines on your responses that is. Oppression? Not even close.
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