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RE: Hillary SNAPS when Trump shares Google’s 2016 interference report
When the CEO of Google is literally a campaign manager for Hillary

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RE: Hillary SNAPS when Trump shares Google’s 2016 interference report
(08-20-2019 03:16 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:49 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Help me out here. How does Google or other Big Tech manipulate a vote? Are they saying that search results might have influenced swing voters?

The same way the Spin Room manipulates most folks here to think Clinton is in the wrong instead of Trump for claiming somehow Google cost him 2.5 to 16 million votes.

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Just a joke. I can't figure out what you are trying to say here.
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(08-20-2019 04:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 03:16 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:49 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Help me out here. How does Google or other Big Tech manipulate a vote? Are they saying that search results might have influenced swing voters?

The same way the Spin Room manipulates most folks here to think Clinton is in the wrong instead of Trump for claiming somehow Google cost him 2.5 to 16 million votes.

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Just a joke. I can't figure out what you are trying to say here.

I've seen plenty of stories which say Epstein's data and conclusions are highly flawed and just flat-out wrong. Basically what I'm saying is one can use the Internet to draw whatever conclusions they want.

If people are using Google searches to figure out who to vote for, they're probably already leaning a certain way to begin with. If you're using certain web sites to figure out which news stories to believe and quote, then you're likely letting the Internet confirm an already pre-existing political or social belief.
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(08-20-2019 01:58 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 01:08 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  
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(08-20-2019 12:49 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Help me out here. How does Google or other Big Tech manipulate a vote? Are they saying that search results might have influenced swing voters?

The same way Russia...oh wait...that was TOTALLY impossible, AMIRITE?

Right. Russia, a hostile foreign power, had absolutely no influence on the outcome of our election...

But Google gave Hillary 16 million more votes.

First of all, this was a scientific study of Googles interference. Y’all love science don’t you? Second, the assumption Russia changed a single vote has never been proven by any scientific study. However the DOJ and the Mueller report says there was no evidence a single vote was changed.
But you keep on believing.....



Sshhhhhh!!!

You're bruising the narrative and thus the soft underbellies of those still with her.


We're back on THE ROOOSKIES!!! I guess.

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(08-20-2019 03:16 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:49 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Help me out here. How does Google or other Big Tech manipulate a vote? Are they saying that search results might have influenced swing voters?

The same way the Spin Room manipulates most folks here to think Clinton is in the wrong instead of Trump for claiming somehow Google cost him 2.5 to 16 million votes.



Because Trump didn't make that claim. Dr.Epstein, staunch H> supporter did in his rather exhaustive scientific study and in Senate testimony.

Take it up with him I guess. 07-coffee3
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(08-20-2019 01:08 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  
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(08-20-2019 12:49 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Help me out here. How does Google or other Big Tech manipulate a vote? Are they saying that search results might have influenced swing voters?

The same way Russia...oh wait...that was TOTALLY impossible, AMIRITE?

Right. Russia, a hostile foreign power, had absolutely no influence on the outcome of our election...

But Google gave Hillary 16 million more votes.

This is an incredibly disingenuous statement of facts

1) Russia DID try and influence our election. There may well be studies claiming specific numbers... I haven't seen them but I wouldn't dispute them. THE RIGHT has been arguing all along that this has been going on for decades, and we do the same thing. NEVER has the right argued that they didn't.

2) The claim was that they HACKED our election, implying that votes were changed. That people who voted for one candidate, their votes were somehow changed. That did NOT happen.

3) Hillary did the same thing. Trump through Breitbart I suspect also did the same thing

How do they do it? The same way Democrats have been doing it ever since. They post a multitude of false or misleading articles as facts... and when people search for facts/proof, they are instead diverted to opinions. They do EXACTLY what you have done here... claiming that the right said 'no voters were influenced' when what they said was 'no votes were changed'.

Same with 'Trump said all immigrants are criminals'... and 'Trump called white nationalists 'fine people''...
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RE: Hillary SNAPS when Trump shares Google’s 2016 interference report
(08-20-2019 03:16 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:49 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Help me out here. How does Google or other Big Tech manipulate a vote? Are they saying that search results might have influenced swing voters?

The same way the Spin Room manipulates most folks here to think Clinton is in the wrong instead of Trump for claiming somehow Google cost him 2.5 to 16 million votes.

I think the study is whom is making the claim.
The only thing it's ignoring is the millions that other media, including both legitimate and illegitimate sources influenced.

The point of the article is that social media and the internet can influence people, and not that Trump actually won 'more'. That's the conclusion Trump draws which is no surprise. The left has been arguing that Russia changed the outcome for 2+ years now. Google changed the outcome as well.
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(08-20-2019 03:16 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:49 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Help me out here. How does Google or other Big Tech manipulate a vote? Are they saying that search results might have influenced swing voters?

The same way the Spin Room manipulates most folks here to think Clinton is in the wrong instead of Trump for claiming somehow Google cost him 2.5 to 16 million votes.

Could you repeat that statement in a way that makes some sense?
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(08-20-2019 03:55 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 01:08 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 01:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:49 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Help me out here. How does Google or other Big Tech manipulate a vote? Are they saying that search results might have influenced swing voters?

The same way Russia...oh wait...that was TOTALLY impossible, AMIRITE?

Right. Russia, a hostile foreign power, had absolutely no influence on the outcome of our election...

But Google gave Hillary 16 million more votes.

Russia bought some ads and had some fake facebook pages.
Goggle controls the results when someone is actively searching for info.
That's a HUGE difference.

Did google give HRC 16 million votes or sway 16 million voters? I doubt it.
Was there a clear bias in the search results? Absolutely.
Could that bias have influenced a significant number of voters? Absolutely.

It should bother you Google gives you the results that they want you to see, not necessarily the most relevant results.

If they are so into big government and the heavy hand of the state why would you think that google doing that would bother them?
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(08-20-2019 04:54 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 04:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 03:16 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:49 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Help me out here. How does Google or other Big Tech manipulate a vote? Are they saying that search results might have influenced swing voters?

The same way the Spin Room manipulates most folks here to think Clinton is in the wrong instead of Trump for claiming somehow Google cost him 2.5 to 16 million votes.

Are you drinking again?04-cheers

Just a joke. I can't figure out what you are trying to say here.

I've seen plenty of stories which say Epstein's data and conclusions are highly flawed and just flat-out wrong. Basically what I'm saying is one can use the Internet to draw whatever conclusions they want.

If people are using Google searches to figure out who to vote for, they're probably already leaning a certain way to begin with. If you're using certain web sites to figure out which news stories to believe and quote, then you're likely letting the Internet confirm an already pre-existing political or social belief.

Could you link plenty of those stories? You don't seem to grasp the fundamental issue here very well...
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(08-20-2019 01:08 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 01:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:49 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Help me out here. How does Google or other Big Tech manipulate a vote? Are they saying that search results might have influenced swing voters?

The same way Russia...oh wait...that was TOTALLY impossible, AMIRITE?

Right. Russia, a hostile foreign power, had absolutely no influence on the outcome of our election...

But Google gave Hillary 16 million more votes.

Who's said that? Name names.
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(08-20-2019 04:54 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 04:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 03:16 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:49 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Help me out here. How does Google or other Big Tech manipulate a vote? Are they saying that search results might have influenced swing voters?

The same way the Spin Room manipulates most folks here to think Clinton is in the wrong instead of Trump for claiming somehow Google cost him 2.5 to 16 million votes.

Are you drinking again?04-cheers

Just a joke. I can't figure out what you are trying to say here.

I've seen plenty of stories which say Epstein's data and conclusions are highly flawed and just flat-out wrong. Basically what I'm saying is one can use the Internet to draw whatever conclusions they want.

If people are using Google searches to figure out who to vote for, they're probably already leaning a certain way to begin with. If you're using certain web sites to figure out which news stories to believe and quote, then you're likely letting the Internet confirm an already pre-existing political or social belief.

That's much clearer. I can't believe it impacted 16 million. And you can certainly question how many it would have actually impacted.

But the fact is Clinton lied about the research. And Trump accurately quoted the scientist. So your original comment was hard to understand.
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(08-20-2019 05:58 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 04:54 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 04:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 03:16 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:49 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Help me out here. How does Google or other Big Tech manipulate a vote? Are they saying that search results might have influenced swing voters?

The same way the Spin Room manipulates most folks here to think Clinton is in the wrong instead of Trump for claiming somehow Google cost him 2.5 to 16 million votes.

Are you drinking again?04-cheers

Just a joke. I can't figure out what you are trying to say here.

I've seen plenty of stories which say Epstein's data and conclusions are highly flawed and just flat-out wrong. Basically what I'm saying is one can use the Internet to draw whatever conclusions they want.

If people are using Google searches to figure out who to vote for, they're probably already leaning a certain way to begin with. If you're using certain web sites to figure out which news stories to believe and quote, then you're likely letting the Internet confirm an already pre-existing political or social belief.

Could you link plenty of those stories? You don't seem to grasp the fundamental issue here very well...

There are tons of them out there. Here's one that is probably not politically based but is more technical in nature. It's a harder read but it pretty much destroys all of Epstein's points.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/19/withou...-of-votes/
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She'll rip your head off and dump the contents of her piss bag right down your bloody stump...…… and the coroner will determine suicide, of course.
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(08-20-2019 05:06 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  2) The claim was that they HACKED our election, implying that votes were changed. That people who voted for one candidate, their votes were somehow changed. That did NOT happen.

Has anyone specifically claimed that votes were actually changed?

And they most certainly hacked us. Whether they did anything with votes, etc. is irrelevant.

Quote:“[However,] a small number of the networks were successfully exploited. They made it through the door.” For the states that Moscow was successfully able to infiltrate, though, the report found that there isn't any evidence that any votes or voter data were actually changed. In Illinois, which “experienced the first known breach by Russian actors of state election infrastructure during the 2016 election,” the Kremlin gained the ability to manipulate voter data, and DHS staff said that with “the level of access that they gained, they almost certainly could have done more.” “Why they didn't... is sort of an open-ended question,” DHS staff told the committee. “I think it fits under the larger umbrella of undermining confidence in the election by tipping their hand that they had this level of access or showing that they were capable of getting it.”
SENATE REPORT FINDS RUSSIANS ATTEMPTED TO HACK THE 2016 ELECTION IN ALL 50 STATES
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This is a great video. President Obama does an amazing job explaining how no one could “rig” the 2016 election. Of course he believed his party was going to keep the White House or any manipulation would favor his party.



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This guy better hire a private bodyguard
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(08-20-2019 03:16 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:49 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Help me out here. How does Google or other Big Tech manipulate a vote? Are they saying that search results might have influenced swing voters?
The same way the Spin Room manipulates most folks here to think Clinton is in the wrong instead of Trump for claiming somehow Google cost him 2.5 to 16 million votes.

When did Trump make that claim?

Who actually made the claim? Based upon what?
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(08-20-2019 01:08 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Right. Russia, a hostile foreign power, had absolutely no influence on the outcome of our election...
But Google gave Hillary 16 million more votes.

I'm going to take this a different direction.

Is Russia really "a hostile foreign power"? Should they be?

I know, I know, they were clearly a hostile foreign power during the Cold War. But that ended 30 years ago, and we have never gotten over that way of thinking. Countries tend not to have long-term friends, but more likely common enemies. The US-UK relationship is one exception, and maybe the historic France-Russia alliance against Germany (which drove a lot of German militarism and gave us two world wars). But more often, alliances tend to be short-term against common enemies. Right now, our #1 enemy is probably China (which is interesting because of the trade implications). China may also be Russia's #1 enemy. If we ave the same #1 enemy, maybe we need to explore a different relationship.

While we are hunkered downing the Middle East (basically defending China's essential oil supply chain), China has used economic leverage to gain footholds all over Africa, and the Chinese are starting to do the same in South America.

For a (somewhat old) article about China's port expansion, see:

https://www.economist.com/international/...commanders

That's behind a firewall, so you may not be able to see it, but this map shows China's control of ports in 2013, and that network has expanded. These are commercial, not military, ports. But note that they are well-positioned to use as naval bases to protect China's vital oil supply lines.

[Image: 20130608_IRM958_0.png]

In 1992, Ross Perot said what I had been thinking for several years, "In the post-Cold-War era, economic power will be more important than military power." And Perot was a military guy, as am I. What I see is China expanding it's sphere of influence economically, without firing a shot. And we are enabling them by defending the one thing that is essential to them.

Now, China has some severe limitations. Its economic miracle has been financed by debt to an extent that would make the 2008 housing bubble and crash look like a picnic. And without imported oil, their economy crashes and they ave mass starvation. Something like 2/3 of their oil and gas (maybe down to 1/2 with completion of a new pipeline from Siberia) comes from the Middle East. Until somebody figures out how to build a pipeline over the Himalayas, that comes by sea--through the Straits of Hormuz, around India, through the Straits of Malacca. That's two of the most congested choke points in the world, plus a long transit around an increasingly powerful and unfriendly country. They are literally hanging by a string on energy. China is one hiccup away from disaster. So what are we doing? Providing military security for their greatest vulnerability while the make significant economic intrusions into our back yard.

Russia is a state in decline demographically. Within the next decade, their armed forces are going to shrink necessarily because of a shortage of 20-somethings to serve. Putin is probably at is most dangerous right now, because he knows his days as a near superpower may be limited, and Russia lacks the defensible borders that it controlled when the Iron Curtain ran from the Transylvanian Alps to the Baltic. Russia also exerts considerable influence over most of Western Europe because it controls so much of that region's oil and gas supply. Energy is the one area where Russia holds a distinct advantage over China.

Both Russia and China are very vulnerable. There are opportunities for us to exploit, but we are single-focused on a region that is really no longer critical to us.
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RE: Hillary SNAPS when Trump shares Google’s 2016 interference report
(08-21-2019 08:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 05:06 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  2) The claim was that they HACKED our election, implying that votes were changed. That people who voted for one candidate, their votes were somehow changed. That did NOT happen.
Has anyone specifically claimed that votes were actually changed?
And they most certainly hacked us. Whether they did anything with votes, etc. is irrelevant.
Quote:“[However,] a small number of the networks were successfully exploited. They made it through the door.” For the states that Moscow was successfully able to infiltrate, though, the report found that there isn't any evidence that any votes or voter data were actually changed. In Illinois, which “experienced the first known breach by Russian actors of state election infrastructure during the 2016 election,” the Kremlin gained the ability to manipulate voter data, and DHS staff said that with “the level of access that they gained, they almost certainly could have done more.” “Why they didn't... is sort of an open-ended question,” DHS staff told the committee. “I think it fits under the larger umbrella of undermining confidence in the election by tipping their hand that they had this level of access or showing that they were capable of getting it.”
SENATE REPORT FINDS RUSSIANS ATTEMPTED TO HACK THE 2016 ELECTION IN ALL 50 STATES

And they attempted to hack 2012 and 2008 and as far back as hacking has existed. And we do the same to them. What it does mean is that they almost certainly hacked Hillary's non-secure server. It's how business is done in spy-land. No news there.

Note that "attempted to hack" is not synonymous with "hacked." And note that hacking the DNC and Podesta is not "hacking our election" or "hacking our democracy."
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