(08-19-2019 02:08 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  How will their fan support change when they no longer play their rival HBCU schools?

Oh my. Now that's a whole new can of worms.

(08-19-2019 03:42 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 02:08 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  How will their fan support change when they no longer play their rival HBCU schools?

Hasn’t seemed to effect Tennessee state (they’re in the OVC and still have a classic game series with I believe Jackson State)

Also Hampton is moving away from the HBCU conference MEAC for the big south

It's impacted Tennessee State tremendously. TSU is still usually ranked in the to 18-15 in attendance but their largest draws are always their HBCU games outside of homecoming. Hampton is also loading up with other HBCUs in their non conference slate to keep attendance up.

(08-19-2019 02:08 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  How will their fan support change when they no longer play their rival HBCU schools?

Fan support for us really wouldn't change. What would change is the amount of visiting fans that would show up which impacts overall attendance. That's what impacts Tennessee State currently.

(08-20-2019 01:03 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 02:08 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  How will their fan support change when they no longer play their rival HBCU schools?

Fan support for us really wouldn't change. What would change is the amount of visiting fans that would show up which impacts overall attendance. That's what impacts Tennessee State currently.

Correct. HBCU fans have always travelled really well...even down to the D2 level.

Saddest takeaway from this is assuming the belt would be their destination.

(08-20-2019 09:11 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  Saddest takeaway from this is assuming the belt would be their destination.

Well if we’re talking strictly conferences, CUSA screwed themselves over by over-booking, the MAC and MWC are too far away. They don’t have liberty money and so it would definitively have to be an invite from either...the SBC, AAC, ACC, SEC, B10, or nothing at all...the P5s and the AAC are not happening, so it’ll be between us or nothing...which means likely nothing, unless ESPN says the money makes sense...so no that’s not a sad takeaway...that a logical takeaway. Ultimately the G5 room is filling up and the options are limited.

(08-20-2019 09:41 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 09:11 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  Saddest takeaway from this is assuming the belt would be their destination.

Well if we’re talking strictly conferences, CUSA screwed themselves over by over-booking, the MAC and MWC are too far away. They don’t have liberty money and so it would definitively have to be an invite from either...the SBC, AAC, ACC, SEC, B10, or nothing at all...the P5s and the AAC are not happening, so it’ll be between us or nothing...which means likely nothing, unless ESPN says the money makes sense (it won't) so no that’s not a sad takeaway...that a logical takeaway. Ultimately the G5 room is filling up and the options are limited.

K. Gr8 argument.

(08-19-2019 11:55 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 11:19 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Is the same team that beat App State a few years back?

The same App team that beat Georgia Southern who in turn beat Florida? Yes.

Wow, maybe they should just move right on into the SEC then.

(08-20-2019 09:51 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 09:41 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 09:11 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  Saddest takeaway from this is assuming the belt would be their destination.

Well if we’re talking strictly conferences, CUSA screwed themselves over by over-booking, the MAC and MWC are too far away. They don’t have liberty money and so it would definitively have to be an invite from either...the SBC, AAC, ACC, SEC, B10, or nothing at all...the P5s and the AAC are not happening, so it’ll be between us or nothing...which means likely nothing, unless ESPN says the money makes sense (it won't) so no that’s not a sad takeaway...that a logical takeaway. Ultimately the G5 room is filling up and the options are limited.

K. Gr8 argument.

Thanks...now that we’re on the same page...you don’t know what espn would say. So yes...as unlikely as the SBC is to bring them in, it’s the only available conference until rejected and thus, still a play that they can attempt to go after.

(08-21-2019 03:40 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 09:51 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 09:41 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 09:11 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  Saddest takeaway from this is assuming the belt would be their destination.

Well if we’re talking strictly conferences, CUSA screwed themselves over by over-booking, the MAC and MWC are too far away. They don’t have liberty money and so it would definitively have to be an invite from either...the SBC, AAC, ACC, SEC, B10, or nothing at all...the P5s and the AAC are not happening, so it’ll be between us or nothing...which means likely nothing, unless ESPN says the money makes sense (it won't) so no that’s not a sad takeaway...that a logical takeaway. Ultimately the G5 room is filling up and the options are limited.

K. Gr8 argument.

Thanks...now that we’re on the same page...you don’t know what espn would say. So yes...as unlikely as the SBC is to bring them in, it’s the only available conference until rejected and thus, still a play that they can attempt to go after.

In all honesty, Disney will kill ESPN.

(08-20-2019 09:41 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 09:11 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  Saddest takeaway from this is assuming the belt would be their destination.

Well if we’re talking strictly conferences, CUSA screwed themselves over by over-booking, the MAC and MWC are too far away. They don’t have liberty money and so it would definitively have to be an invite from either...the SBC, AAC, ACC, SEC, B10, or nothing at all...the P5s and the AAC are not happening, so it’ll be between us or nothing...which means likely nothing, unless ESPN says the money makes sense...so no that’s not a sad takeaway...that a logical takeaway. Ultimately the G5 room is filling up and the options are limited.

My argument has been that the ASun and select other CAA and FCS schools will join together and form a new FBS league so that they can be part of the new CFB payout in 2025 as an FBS league

Have Liberty now.
Kennesaw St and eventually UNA wants FBS.
UNF and FGCU want to start fb eventually like FIU and FAU did.

Delaware, JMU, Towson, Stony Brook want an East Coast FBS affiliate league with strong academics like themselves. They never wanted any conference that stretched into Texas for FBS.

Jacksonville St and EKU want FBS.

N Carolina is needed by that possible league to fill in the footprint and NC A&T is the sole FCS school in the state that meet FBS stadium requirements.

UConn and UMass need an FBS league with a bowl game.

If eight or nine schools get a waiver like Liberty did, they wouldn’t have to spend much money to get other opponents, and after the transition the ASun would become FBS by rule.

The ASun loses Lipscomb and Bellarmine probably to the Horizon.

NJIT backfills into America East for Stony Brook.

Stetson and Jacksonville stay with their fb in the Pioneer and FGCU and UNF are happy because they will be automatically FBS when they are ready.

A start up ASun would provide all the needed FBS games, maybe a championship game, a bowl game, and CFP payouts. It almost compares to a Sun Belt position, although that isn’t coming.

(08-22-2019 07:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  My argument has been that the ASun and select other CAA and FCS schools will join together and form a new FBS league so that they can be part of the new CFB payout in 2025 as an FBS league

Have Liberty now.
Kennesaw St and eventually UNA wants FBS.
UNF and FGCU want to start fb eventually like FIU and FAU did.

Delaware, JMU, Towson, Stony Brook want an East Coast FBS affiliate league with strong academics like themselves. They never wanted any conference that stretched into Texas for FBS.

Jacksonville St and EKU want FBS.

N Carolina is needed by that possible league to fill in the footprint and NC A&T is the sole FCS school in the state that meet FBS stadium requirements.

UConn and UMass need an FBS league with a bowl game.

If eight or nine schools get a waiver like Liberty did, they wouldn’t have to spend much money to get other opponents, and after the transition the ASun would become FBS by rule.

The ASun loses Lipscomb and Bellarmine probably to the Horizon.

NJIT backfills into America East for Stony Brook.

Stetson and Jacksonville stay with their fb in the Pioneer and FGCU and UNF are happy because they will be automatically FBS when they are ready.

A start up ASun would provide all the needed FBS games, maybe a championship game, a bowl game, and CFP payouts. It almost compares to a Sun Belt position, although that isn’t coming.

But how does this affect the Great Northern?

(08-22-2019 07:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Bellarmine

Well I learned about a new school I'd never heard of today.

(08-22-2019 09:40 PM)_x_ Wrote:  

(08-22-2019 07:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Bellarmine

Well I learned about a new school I'd never heard of today.

Bellarmine is a private school in Louisville that received membership in the ASun.

(08-20-2019 09:41 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 09:11 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  Saddest takeaway from this is assuming the belt would be their destination.

Well if we’re talking strictly conferences, CUSA screwed themselves over by over-booking, the MAC and MWC are too far away. They don’t have liberty money and so it would definitively have to be an invite from either...the SBC, AAC, ACC, SEC, B10, or nothing at all...the P5s and the AAC are not happening, which means likely nothing, unless ESPN says the money makes sense...so no that’s not a sad takeaway...that a logical takeaway. Ultimately the G5 room is filling up and the options are limited.

The last commish stated emphatically that the SBC wasn't interested in expanding any time soon.

(08-22-2019 09:32 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(08-22-2019 07:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  My argument has been that the ASun and select other CAA and FCS schools will join together and form a new FBS league so that they can be part of the new CFB payout in 2025 as an FBS league

Have Liberty now.
Kennesaw St and eventually UNA wants FBS.
UNF and FGCU want to start fb eventually like FIU and FAU did.

Delaware, JMU, Towson, Stony Brook want an East Coast FBS affiliate league with strong academics like themselves. They never wanted any conference that stretched into Texas for FBS.

Jacksonville St and EKU want FBS.

N Carolina is needed by that possible league to fill in the footprint and NC A&T is the sole FCS school in the state that meet FBS stadium requirements.

UConn and UMass need an FBS league with a bowl game.

If eight or nine schools get a waiver like Liberty did, they wouldn’t have to spend much money to get other opponents, and after the transition the ASun would become FBS by rule.

The ASun loses Lipscomb and Bellarmine probably to the Horizon.

NJIT backfills into America East for Stony Brook.

Stetson and Jacksonville stay with their fb in the Pioneer and FGCU and UNF are happy because they will be automatically FBS when they are ready.

A start up ASun would provide all the needed FBS games, maybe a championship game, a bowl game, and CFP payouts. It almost compares to a Sun Belt position, although that isn’t coming.

But how does this affect the Great Northern?

The ASun, WAC, and Great Northern schools won’t get invitations to Boone for FBS games because App St will be P. O.ed

But all the great so called great prognosticators on these boards say no more FBS schools will ever ascend to FBS even to follow the CFP payout, so your mind should be at peace.

(08-22-2019 10:00 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-22-2019 09:32 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(08-22-2019 07:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  My argument has been that the ASun and select other CAA and FCS schools will join together and form a new FBS league so that they can be part of the new CFB payout in 2025 as an FBS league

Have Liberty now.
Kennesaw St and eventually UNA wants FBS.
UNF and FGCU want to start fb eventually like FIU and FAU did.

Delaware, JMU, Towson, Stony Brook want an East Coast FBS affiliate league with strong academics like themselves. They never wanted any conference that stretched into Texas for FBS.

Jacksonville St and EKU want FBS.

N Carolina is needed by that possible league to fill in the footprint and NC A&T is the sole FCS school in the state that meet FBS stadium requirements.

UConn and UMass need an FBS league with a bowl game.

If eight or nine schools get a waiver like Liberty did, they wouldn’t have to spend much money to get other opponents, and after the transition the ASun would become FBS by rule.

The ASun loses Lipscomb and Bellarmine probably to the Horizon.

NJIT backfills into America East for Stony Brook.

Stetson and Jacksonville stay with their fb in the Pioneer and FGCU and UNF are happy because they will be automatically FBS when they are ready.

A start up ASun would provide all the needed FBS games, maybe a championship game, a bowl game, and CFP payouts. It almost compares to a Sun Belt position, although that isn’t coming.

But how does this affect the Great Northern?

The ASun, WAC, and Great Northern schools won’t get invitations to Boone for FBS games because App St will be P. O.ed

But all the great so called great prognosticators on these boards say no more FBS schools will ever ascend to FBS even to follow the CFP payout, so your mind should be at peace.

And when you see the Lipscomb and the Bellermine's of the world become FBS, watch for the P5 to be gone and maybe even a further split of FBS. FBS wasn't meant for most of these schools and any acceptance probably won't win over many fans.

(08-22-2019 10:20 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(08-22-2019 10:00 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-22-2019 09:32 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(08-22-2019 07:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  My argument has been that the ASun and select other CAA and FCS schools will join together and form a new FBS league so that they can be part of the new CFB payout in 2025 as an FBS league

Have Liberty now.
Kennesaw St and eventually UNA wants FBS.
UNF and FGCU want to start fb eventually like FIU and FAU did.

Delaware, JMU, Towson, Stony Brook want an East Coast FBS affiliate league with strong academics like themselves. They never wanted any conference that stretched into Texas for FBS.

Jacksonville St and EKU want FBS.

N Carolina is needed by that possible league to fill in the footprint and NC A&T is the sole FCS school in the state that meet FBS stadium requirements.

UConn and UMass need an FBS league with a bowl game.

If eight or nine schools get a waiver like Liberty did, they wouldn’t have to spend much money to get other opponents, and after the transition the ASun would become FBS by rule.

The ASun loses Lipscomb and Bellarmine probably to the Horizon.

NJIT backfills into America East for Stony Brook.

Stetson and Jacksonville stay with their fb in the Pioneer and FGCU and UNF are happy because they will be automatically FBS when they are ready.

A start up ASun would provide all the needed FBS games, maybe a championship game, a bowl game, and CFP payouts. It almost compares to a Sun Belt position, although that isn’t coming.

But how does this affect the Great Northern?

The ASun, WAC, and Great Northern schools won’t get invitations to Boone for FBS games because App St will be P. O.ed

But all the great so called great prognosticators on these boards say no more FBS schools will ever ascend to FBS even to follow the CFP payout, so your mind should be at peace.

And when you see the Lipscomb and the Bellermine's of the world become FBS, watch for the P5 to be gone and maybe even a further split of FBS. FBS wasn't meant for most of these schools and any acceptance probably won't win over many fans.

Reading comprehension is not your good point.

Lipscomb and Bellarmine don’t play fb and won’t be part of it, as stated.

To be completely honest, we don’t need anyone else unless we grab a two schools like USM or equivalent and not a FCS move up, and if we grab two more football playing schools we need to lose UALR and UTA or make them add football. 12 schools is the biggest conference I want to be part of.

(08-19-2019 11:19 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Is the same team that beat App State a few years back?

In an all around meaningless game? yes.

I'm sure you don't want to play this game though.

NCAT needs to step up their game within FCS before even considering this.

1/3 of FCS doesn't care or attempt to win the FCS championship