(08-19-2019 03:03 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 11:54 AM)Across the Pond Wrote:  I am wondering, why nobody til yet came up with a discussion about a possible merger with UNC Greensboro, which is across the city not that far away. Both are public and would have a combined enrollment of 32000 Students. Well I know, you cannot merge easily HBCU's with PWI's. Different missions, lost jobs, tradition, faculty and students against merging etc. etc.

But this is exactly what happened in Nashville where public UT Nashville was merged into public Tennessee State (HBCU).

A combined university in Greensboro may have the financial resources and alumni support to risk upgrading to FBS. And the City Greensboro would be a North Carolina FBS-City like Durham, Raleigh, Chapel Hill, Winston Salem, Charlotte, Greenville and Boone

..In 1968, the college officially changed its name to Tennessee State University. And in 1979, the University of Tennessee at Nashville merged into Tennessee State due to a court mandate.[6]...
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_...University

No NC governor would allow that and even the previous veto proof HB1 passing majority legislature wasnt that bold to try.

I would think a "quasi" merger would be more politically acceptable. Divide up the duplicate programs and permit a student at one to take classes at the other with a coordinated registration program. Ouachita Baptist and Henderson State have classes that are taught at the other that they list in their bulletin as being their classes, but you go to the other campus to take the class.

The most extreme example would be the guy was QB at Furman who had a major that Furman didn't offer so he took nearly all of his classes at Clemson but he was considered a full-time Furman student.

That just seems more politically expedient and the two schools are each over a century old so elimination isn't going to be easy.

(08-19-2019 04:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 03:03 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 11:54 AM)Across the Pond Wrote:  I am wondering, why nobody til yet came up with a discussion about a possible merger with UNC Greensboro, which is across the city not that far away. Both are public and would have a combined enrollment of 32000 Students. Well I know, you cannot merge easily HBCU's with PWI's. Different missions, lost jobs, tradition, faculty and students against merging etc. etc.

But this is exactly what happened in Nashville where public UT Nashville was merged into public Tennessee State (HBCU).

A combined university in Greensboro may have the financial resources and alumni support to risk upgrading to FBS. And the City Greensboro would be a North Carolina FBS-City like Durham, Raleigh, Chapel Hill, Winston Salem, Charlotte, Greenville and Boone

..In 1968, the college officially changed its name to Tennessee State University. And in 1979, the University of Tennessee at Nashville merged into Tennessee State due to a court mandate.[6]...
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_...University

No NC governor would allow that and even the previous veto proof HB1 passing majority legislature wasnt that bold to try.

I would think a "quasi" merger would be more politically acceptable. Divide up the duplicate programs and permit a student at one to take classes at the other with a coordinated registration program. Ouachita Baptist and Henderson State have classes that are taught at the other that they list in their bulletin as being their classes, but you go to the other campus to take the class.

The most extreme example would be the guy was QB at Furman who had a major that Furman didn't offer so he took nearly all of his classes at Clemson but he was considered a full-time Furman student.

That just seems more politically expedient and the two schools are each over a century old so elimination isn't going to be easy.

Youre talkin logically but im seeing videos of poor high school seniors and underclassmen talking about how the evil GOP is shutting down their historically significant school

(08-19-2019 04:12 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 04:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 03:03 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 11:54 AM)Across the Pond Wrote:  I am wondering, why nobody til yet came up with a discussion about a possible merger with UNC Greensboro, which is across the city not that far away. Both are public and would have a combined enrollment of 32000 Students. Well I know, you cannot merge easily HBCU's with PWI's. Different missions, lost jobs, tradition, faculty and students against merging etc. etc.

But this is exactly what happened in Nashville where public UT Nashville was merged into public Tennessee State (HBCU).

A combined university in Greensboro may have the financial resources and alumni support to risk upgrading to FBS. And the City Greensboro would be a North Carolina FBS-City like Durham, Raleigh, Chapel Hill, Winston Salem, Charlotte, Greenville and Boone

..In 1968, the college officially changed its name to Tennessee State University. And in 1979, the University of Tennessee at Nashville merged into Tennessee State due to a court mandate.[6]...
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_...University

No NC governor would allow that and even the previous veto proof HB1 passing majority legislature wasnt that bold to try.

I would think a "quasi" merger would be more politically acceptable. Divide up the duplicate programs and permit a student at one to take classes at the other with a coordinated registration program. Ouachita Baptist and Henderson State have classes that are taught at the other that they list in their bulletin as being their classes, but you go to the other campus to take the class.

The most extreme example would be the guy was QB at Furman who had a major that Furman didn't offer so he took nearly all of his classes at Clemson but he was considered a full-time Furman student.

That just seems more politically expedient and the two schools are each over a century old so elimination isn't going to be easy.

Youre talkin logically but im seeing videos of poor high school seniors and underclassmen talking about how the evil GOP is shutting down their historically significant school

Like you wouldn't have Greensboro students and alums complaining up and down if the state decided to fold Greensboro into A&T and turn UNC-G into A&T's West Campus....

Seems like a solution in search of a problem.

(08-19-2019 04:27 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 04:12 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 04:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 03:03 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 11:54 AM)Across the Pond Wrote:  I am wondering, why nobody til yet came up with a discussion about a possible merger with UNC Greensboro, which is across the city not that far away. Both are public and would have a combined enrollment of 32000 Students. Well I know, you cannot merge easily HBCU's with PWI's. Different missions, lost jobs, tradition, faculty and students against merging etc. etc.

But this is exactly what happened in Nashville where public UT Nashville was merged into public Tennessee State (HBCU).

A combined university in Greensboro may have the financial resources and alumni support to risk upgrading to FBS. And the City Greensboro would be a North Carolina FBS-City like Durham, Raleigh, Chapel Hill, Winston Salem, Charlotte, Greenville and Boone

..In 1968, the college officially changed its name to Tennessee State University. And in 1979, the University of Tennessee at Nashville merged into Tennessee State due to a court mandate.[6]...
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_...University

No NC governor would allow that and even the previous veto proof HB1 passing majority legislature wasnt that bold to try.

I would think a "quasi" merger would be more politically acceptable. Divide up the duplicate programs and permit a student at one to take classes at the other with a coordinated registration program. Ouachita Baptist and Henderson State have classes that are taught at the other that they list in their bulletin as being their classes, but you go to the other campus to take the class.

The most extreme example would be the guy was QB at Furman who had a major that Furman didn't offer so he took nearly all of his classes at Clemson but he was considered a full-time Furman student.

That just seems more politically expedient and the two schools are each over a century old so elimination isn't going to be easy.

Youre talkin logically but im seeing videos of poor high school seniors and underclassmen talking about how the evil GOP is shutting down their historically significant school

Like you wouldn't have Greensboro students and alums complaining up and down if the state decided to fold Greensboro into A&T and turn UNC-G into A&T's West Campus....

Seems like a solution in search of a problem.

Enrollment seems healthy for both, in fact A&T is really large by HBCU standards.

Don't see any point unless there are redundant academic programs and you can shift teaching those to one campus or the other even if still under the banner of the home school.

(08-19-2019 04:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 04:27 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 04:12 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 04:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 03:03 PM)solohawks Wrote:  No NC governor would allow that and even the previous veto proof HB1 passing majority legislature wasnt that bold to try.

I would think a "quasi" merger would be more politically acceptable. Divide up the duplicate programs and permit a student at one to take classes at the other with a coordinated registration program. Ouachita Baptist and Henderson State have classes that are taught at the other that they list in their bulletin as being their classes, but you go to the other campus to take the class.

The most extreme example would be the guy was QB at Furman who had a major that Furman didn't offer so he took nearly all of his classes at Clemson but he was considered a full-time Furman student.

That just seems more politically expedient and the two schools are each over a century old so elimination isn't going to be easy.

Youre talkin logically but im seeing videos of poor high school seniors and underclassmen talking about how the evil GOP is shutting down their historically significant school

Like you wouldn't have Greensboro students and alums complaining up and down if the state decided to fold Greensboro into A&T and turn UNC-G into A&T's West Campus....

Seems like a solution in search of a problem.

Enrollment seems healthy for both, in fact A&T is really large by HBCU standards.

Don't see any point unless there are redundant academic programs and you can shift teaching those to one campus or the other even if still under the banner of the home school.

Cool. What's the cost of ripping out all the chemistry labs and classrooms at one campus while ripping out the whole English department at the other campus, and then renovating those now-empty buildings into whole new chemistry/English buildings in order to double available classroom space to accommodate the consolidated student bodies? Do that math for every pair of programs you "swap".


To say nothing of the first UNC-G kid who sues the state over "having" to take courses at A&T, but I'd like to keep this off the political page.....

The leadership at NC A&T is looking to her future. Over the next 100 years, the school will expand beyond her HBCU history and redefine herself for the future. The highest level of sports are a gateway to this change.

(08-19-2019 09:43 PM)chess Wrote:  The leadership at NC A&T is looking to her future. Over the next 100 years, the school will expand beyond her HBCU history and redefine herself for the future. The highest level of sports are a gateway to this change.

The highest level? So they're going pro?!

(08-19-2019 09:43 PM)chess Wrote:  The leadership at NC A&T is looking to her future. Over the next 100 years, the school will expand beyond her HBCU history and redefine herself for the future. The highest level of sports are a gateway to this change.

Let me correct you on something. We are an HBCU and we're not trying to run or redefine ourselves away from that. We are focused on being the #1 research University in the state and raising our profile and the FBS route could possibly help that. Once again this is a feasibility study that shouldn't have been leaked out but somehow it was. With that being said we're a long ways away from any type of move if there's one in the first place.

(08-20-2019 01:07 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 09:43 PM)chess Wrote:  The leadership at NC A&T is looking to her future. Over the next 100 years, the school will expand beyond her HBCU history and redefine herself for the future. The highest level of sports are a gateway to this change.

Let me correct you on something. We are an HBCU and we're not trying to run or redefine ourselves away from that. We are focused on being the #1 research University in the state and raising our profile and the FBS route could possibly help that. Once again this is a feasibility study that shouldn't have been leaked out but somehow it was. With that being said we're a long ways away from any type of move if there's one in the first place.

It was leaked by the Chancellor to fund raise. Rumor is he expects the answer to be no. But if he can drum up $1M --basically triple the donation rate today--, short come up short of the $2M, he can say they tried and fell short, so are staying in FCS, and have $1M to help support athletics,

(08-20-2019 01:53 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 01:07 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 09:43 PM)chess Wrote:  The leadership at NC A&T is looking to her future. Over the next 100 years, the school will expand beyond her HBCU history and redefine herself for the future. The highest level of sports are a gateway to this change.

Let me correct you on something. We are an HBCU and we're not trying to run or redefine ourselves away from that. We are focused on being the #1 research University in the state and raising our profile and the FBS route could possibly help that. Once again this is a feasibility study that shouldn't have been leaked out but somehow it was. With that being said we're a long ways away from any type of move if there's one in the first place.

It was leaked by the Chancellor to fund raise. Rumor is he expects the answer to be no. But if he can drum up $1M --basically triple the donation rate today--, short come up short of the $2M, he can say they tried and fell short, so are staying in FCS, and have $1M to help support athletics,

I know for a fact that Dr.Martin didn't leak this. Now was it leaked by somebody who was in the room when this was being discussed? Possibly. But this didn't come from Dr.Martin.

(08-20-2019 01:07 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  Let me correct you on something. We are an HBCU and we're not trying to run or redefine ourselves away from that. We are focused on being the #1 research University in the state and raising our profile and the FBS route could possibly help that. Once again this is a feasibility study that shouldn't have been leaked out but somehow it was. With that being said we're a long ways away from any type of move if there's one in the first place.

Speaking from the perspective of someone at Southern University, we have viewed NCAT as a model HBCU the past 5+ years, both academically and athletically.

You guys are really firing on all cylinders right now.

(08-20-2019 01:07 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 09:43 PM)chess Wrote:  The leadership at NC A&T is looking to her future. Over the next 100 years, the school will expand beyond her HBCU history and redefine herself for the future. The highest level of sports are a gateway to this change.

Let me correct you on something. We are an HBCU and we're not trying to run or redefine ourselves away from that. We are focused on being the #1 research University in the state and raising our profile and the FBS route could possibly help that. Once again this is a feasibility study that shouldn't have been leaked out but somehow it was. With that being said we're a long ways away from any type of move if there's one in the first place.

Um... what?

(08-20-2019 03:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 01:07 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  Let me correct you on something. We are an HBCU and we're not trying to run or redefine ourselves away from that. We are focused on being the #1 research University in the state and raising our profile and the FBS route could possibly help that. Once again this is a feasibility study that shouldn't have been leaked out but somehow it was. With that being said we're a long ways away from any type of move if there's one in the first place.

Speaking from the perspective of someone at Southern University, we have viewed NCAT as a model HBCU the past 5+ years, both academically and athletically.

You guys are really firing on all cylinders right now.

We're exactly where you guys were pre-Jindal. Things can change in a heartbeat in the state of NC. Being originally from Louisiana I remember when SU was the gold standard of all HBCUs then came Katrina, followed by education budget cuts. SU is example for us on alumni giving. You guy's alumni groups are amazing to say the least.

(08-20-2019 03:31 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 03:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 01:07 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  Let me correct you on something. We are an HBCU and we're not trying to run or redefine ourselves away from that. We are focused on being the #1 research University in the state and raising our profile and the FBS route could possibly help that. Once again this is a feasibility study that shouldn't have been leaked out but somehow it was. With that being said we're a long ways away from any type of move if there's one in the first place.

Speaking from the perspective of someone at Southern University, we have viewed NCAT as a model HBCU the past 5+ years, both academically and athletically.

You guys are really firing on all cylinders right now.

We're exactly where you guys were pre-Jindal. Things can change in a heartbeat in the state of NC. Being originally from Louisiana I remember when SU was the gold standard of all HBCUs then came Katrina, followed by education budget cuts. SU is example for us on alumni giving. You guy's alumni groups are amazing to say the least.

You are correct, Katrina was a blow, but it was Jindal that did immense damage to public higher education in Louisiana generally (even LSU felt it), but to the HBCUs, Southern and Grambling, in particular.

Frankly, we were lucky to survive his administration, and we are still climbing out from the wreckage. Enrollment has been up the last couple of years, but nowhere near where it was before Jindal.

UNC A&T Talks FBS


Latest article on the school to move up and the lessons to learned from recent schools in the area who moved up.

If a handful of the right people push that NCA&T would be the "Flagship HBCU" by being FBS you'd see higher funding from the state, private organizations/businesses, and alumni. I think they could follow the Liberty approach and go Indy out of the gate. They could schedule two historic FCS rivals (Liberty scheduled two FCS teams this year), some of the Indy teams and the regional P5 and G5 teams.

NC doesn't "need" another FBS school, but NCAT could make a go of it as much as UNCC, ODU, GaSt, Liberty, GaSo and App have.

(10-25-2019 02:07 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  If a handful of the right people push that NCA&T would be the "Flagship HBCU" by being FBS you'd see higher funding from the state, private organizations/businesses, and alumni. I think they could follow the Liberty approach and go Indy out of the gate. They could schedule two historic FCS rivals (Liberty scheduled two FCS teams this year), some of the Indy teams and the regional P5 and G5 teams.

NC doesn't "need" another FBS school, but NCAT could make a go of it as much as UNCC, ODU, GaSt, Liberty, GaSo and App have.

That's what I think the best way of going about it is, too - keep your non-football sports in the MEAC to maintain those historical connections in other sports as well as being able to focus increases in spending on only football at first. UConn and UMass will both come down and play in NC, and I expect Liberty would as well. Appy, ODU, Coastal and Charlotte would likely appreciate a nearby OOC opponent, as well as Georgias State and Southern. Maybe Marshall doesn't mind an opponent that's driveable for their fans. NMSt's always looking for a game. Schedule two FCS MEAC teams a year, including one for homecoming, to keep some of your current traditions alive. Sign up for buy games with ACC teams and the like to make ends meet.

It seems like it could work if the funding is there.

(10-25-2019 02:16 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(10-25-2019 02:07 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  If a handful of the right people push that NCA&T would be the "Flagship HBCU" by being FBS you'd see higher funding from the state, private organizations/businesses, and alumni. I think they could follow the Liberty approach and go Indy out of the gate. They could schedule two historic FCS rivals (Liberty scheduled two FCS teams this year), some of the Indy teams and the regional P5 and G5 teams.

NC doesn't "need" another FBS school, but NCAT could make a go of it as much as UNCC, ODU, GaSt, Liberty, GaSo and App have.

That's what I think the best way of going about it is, too - keep your non-football sports in the MEAC to maintain those historical connections in other sports as well as being able to focus increases in spending on only football at first. UConn and UMass will both come down and play in NC, and I expect Liberty would as well. Appy, ODU, Coastal and Charlotte would likely appreciate a nearby OOC opponent, as well as Georgias State and Southern. Maybe Marshall doesn't mind an opponent that's driveable for their fans. NMSt's always looking for a game. Schedule two FCS MEAC teams a year, including one for homecoming, to keep some of your current traditions alive. Sign up for buy games with ACC teams and the like to make ends meet.

It seems like it could work if the funding is there.

Yep.

Their schedule could look like this


1. NC Central - FCS (Homecoming)
2. SC State/TnSt/FAMU - FCS Rotation
3. UMass/UConn (if can't work out a yearly deal each, maybe rotate the two)
4. Liberty
5. NMSU
6. UNCC/ODU/MTSU on rotation
7. CCU/App on rotation
8. GaSo/GaSt on ratation
9. ACC - Payday Game #1
10. SEC - Payday game #2
11. MAC home-home
12 MWC/AAC rotation


Work with ESPN for ESPN+ deal and access to the ESPN Bowl Pool as Myrtle Beach, Cure Bowl, and Camellia Bowl would be super easy for their fans to travel to.

(10-25-2019 02:07 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  NC doesn't "need" another FBS school, but NCAT could make a go of it as much as UNCC, ODU, GaSt, Liberty, GaSo and App have.

Politically, wouldn't ECU, Appy, and UNCC just hate this? The region in general, with the move-up's of Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Coastal, Appy, Charlotte, Old Dominion, and Liberty...who's going to want to give A&T any attention so they can take their own slice in a region that's helped to swell FBS' total?

(08-20-2019 01:07 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 09:43 PM)chess Wrote:  The leadership at NC A&T is looking to her future. Over the next 100 years, the school will expand beyond her HBCU history and redefine herself for the future. The highest level of sports are a gateway to this change.

Let me correct you on something. We are an HBCU and we're not trying to run or redefine ourselves away from that. We are focused on being the #1 research University in the state and raising our profile and the FBS route could possibly help that. Once again this is a feasibility study that shouldn't have been leaked out but somehow it was. With that being said we're a long ways away from any type of move if there's one in the first place.

I'm guessing you misspoke. #1 research university in the state? I thought you were in the same state as UNC-Chapel Hill and Duke University.