(08-23-2019 01:40 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 02:12 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Generous or not they are tickets sold. That looks good in the AD's budget. Tickets scanned, or in this case the lack of, looks horrible on the Television.

I'm by no means a Rutgers fan. I will though support them since they are now a Peer member of the conference in which teams I do love are a part of.

Rutgers is doing wonderful things right now with their athletic facilities. I promise you that this was part of the deal in joining the conference. Will this translate to better teams? I would hope so!

If the competition of the conference is insurmountable and Rutgers and their fans see it as a no win situation, maybe they should start the process of their withdraw?

People on here love to degrade Rutgers and Uconn more than any other teams. I know a fellow Ohio State poster (whom I have a lot of respect for) ran a thread on here that went on and on and on etc...About his hate for the Rutgers addition. I also know that your former Big East peers love to bash Rutgers even though they haven't done a damn thing themselves! Rutgers is now in the Big 10 and people need to accept it. This includes Rutgers fans! Instead of being the joke of college football maybe respect who you are and support your teams. Do this and it speeds up the process to better days!

Like I posted in another thread a few weeks ago, most of the UConn bashing is not directed at UConn, but at the posters (from other schools mind you) who always post that UConn is so much better than the rest of the schools in the AAC. Most of those clowns are Big East BB and fans of MWC schools, and low level P5 schools. Any ire at UConn usually is in the form of frustration of UConn refusing to accept their own responsibility for those woes (and in fact blaming the rest of the AAC for their lack of success).

As to Rutgers, I actually enjoyed watching my Bearcats match up against them in the Big East. It was a bitter pill for me as a Cincinnati fan to see Rutgers elevated to the B10, knowing that a) we more than held our own against the Scarlet Knights on the field and court and b) due to a variety of reasons my alma mater will never, ever get to play in the B10 and face schools in our backyard on a yearly basis. Instead we get stuck with Tulsa and East Carolina, teams people in our city don't care about. Call it envy I guess.. I don't hate Rutgers, though. More power to them, I understand why they made the move.

To be honest, Cincinnati fans weren't the ones I was thinking of when I made my comments. I really don't want to throw out names of the schools I had in mind, they are a sensitive bunch.

Cincinnati is rolling right now in football and basketball will always be really good. Regardless of what conference you're affiliated with, Cincinnati is a great University!

(08-23-2019 12:27 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 03:17 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Rutgers was added for BTN purposes and not let the ACC have a monopoly on the Eastern seaboard. That’s it. The B1G knew what they were getting in Rutgers, I’m sure more was expected of Maryland than Rutgers when Delaney sent those invites in November 2012. If I could say there’s a team that was expected to win and has been a disappointment so far is Nebraska. Same for Miami in the ACC.

The rest like academics, AAU, B1G alumni in NYC and Philly was just the icing in the cake.

I could never get aboard the ACC wanting Rutgers because of enough friction in the conference to fortify it with actual quality athletic programs, and not for location. Not that I don't believe in Rutgers' attractive features; I just don't see Rutgers as high on the ACC wish list as it was on the Big Ten's. Rather, I do believe the Big Ten was generally concerned about Penn State's future in the conference, either themselves self-extracting or being expelled after the Sandusky scandal. That Rutgers was part of a peace offering or insurance policy in a great recruiting state on the doorstep(s) of the country's largest market(s), and not part of a greater chess-like move.

Regardless, without it steering into what the Big Ten should have done, nobody should be seeing this on their television. And Rutgers should be doing everything in its power to make sure a camera never sees that again.

As a Penn State alumn who’s been to a few alumni functions, I’ve been told more than twice that Penn State leaving for the ACC was never an option. Penn State in the ACC is like a very big fish in a very small pond. The B1G was not ready to expel PSU but it was an option just in case PSU didn’t cooperate with the investigation.

I just don’t see PSU ever giving up annual games against Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State with the occasional games against Nebraska, Wisconsin and Iowa for anything the ACC has to offer. If PSU wants to play the former Eastern independents they can schedule them OOC (Pitt, Temple, West Virginia and Virginia Tech are on the schedule). Penn State and the Big Ten are made for each other. There’s no other conference that’s a better fit for the Nittany Lions.

(08-23-2019 01:40 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 02:12 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Generous or not they are tickets sold. That looks good in the AD's budget. Tickets scanned, or in this case the lack of, looks horrible on the Television.

I'm by no means a Rutgers fan. I will though support them since they are now a Peer member of the conference in which teams I do love are a part of.

Rutgers is doing wonderful things right now with their athletic facilities. I promise you that this was part of the deal in joining the conference. Will this translate to better teams? I would hope so!

If the competition of the conference is insurmountable and Rutgers and their fans see it as a no win situation, maybe they should start the process of their withdraw?

People on here love to degrade Rutgers and Uconn more than any other teams. I know a fellow Ohio State poster (whom I have a lot of respect for) ran a thread on here that went on and on and on etc...About his hate for the Rutgers addition. I also know that your former Big East peers love to bash Rutgers even though they haven't done a damn thing themselves! Rutgers is now in the Big 10 and people need to accept it. This includes Rutgers fans! Instead of being the joke of college football maybe respect who you are and support your teams. Do this and it speeds up the process to better days!

Like I posted in another thread a few weeks ago, most of the UConn bashing is not directed at UConn, but at the posters (from other schools mind you) who always post that UConn is so much better than the rest of the schools in the AAC. Most of those clowns are Big East BB and fans of MWC schools, and low level P5 schools. Any ire at UConn usually is in the form of frustration of UConn refusing to accept their own responsibility for those woes (and in fact blaming the rest of the AAC for their lack of success).

As to Rutgers, I actually enjoyed watching my Bearcats match up against them in the Big East. It was a bitter pill for me as a Cincinnati fan to see Rutgers elevated to the B10, knowing that a) we more than held our own against the Scarlet Knights on the field and court and b) due to a variety of reasons my alma mater will never, ever get to play in the B10 and face schools in our backyard on a yearly basis. Instead we get stuck with Tulsa and East Carolina, teams people in our city don't care about. Call it envy I guess.. I don't hate Rutgers, though. More power to them, I understand why they made the move.

That’s not necessarily the case. AAC fans keep saying losing UConn is not a big deal. It might be the norm on the AAC board but for any outsider (I don’t have a dog on this fight) it’s not the case. Losing your biggest basketball brand even with their terrible football is bad perception wise not matter how you guys spin it. It’s the only school that separated the AAC with its C-USA identity.

I believe the AAC is the best non power league in football and basketball. The MWC is not even close. But it’ll never be a power conference or P6 as you guys call it. There’s two schools from that bunch (Cincinnati and Houston) that stand out and deserve to be in a P5 conference but the rest lack one or two things like location, academics, commitment or have a directional name to go that will keep them from getting invited to a P5.

It sucks for Cincinnati. You guys did the right things in the Big East and took the opportunity to grow your athletic department when given a seat in the big table. You guys did more than Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers and Louisville (they cheated to be where they’re at). West Virginia was the one that really deserved the P5 invite based on their football record. Cincinnati was the other one.

If Mike Locksley doesn't pan out at Maryland, I imagine there will be Rutgers-like turmoil in College Park. Attendance is down, and the novelty has worn off. Many alumni and fans are tired of losing. There's no excitement/energy entering the 2019 season. I imagine some fans are ready for basketball season.

(08-23-2019 03:17 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(08-23-2019 12:27 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 03:17 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Rutgers was added for BTN purposes and not let the ACC have a monopoly on the Eastern seaboard. That’s it. The B1G knew what they were getting in Rutgers, I’m sure more was expected of Maryland than Rutgers when Delaney sent those invites in November 2012. If I could say there’s a team that was expected to win and has been a disappointment so far is Nebraska. Same for Miami in the ACC.

The rest like academics, AAU, B1G alumni in NYC and Philly was just the icing in the cake.

I could never get aboard the ACC wanting Rutgers because of enough friction in the conference to fortify it with actual quality athletic programs, and not for location. Not that I don't believe in Rutgers' attractive features; I just don't see Rutgers as high on the ACC wish list as it was on the Big Ten's. Rather, I do believe the Big Ten was generally concerned about Penn State's future in the conference, either themselves self-extracting or being expelled after the Sandusky scandal. That Rutgers was part of a peace offering or insurance policy in a great recruiting state on the doorstep(s) of the country's largest market(s), and not part of a greater chess-like move.

Regardless, without it steering into what the Big Ten should have done, nobody should be seeing this on their television. And Rutgers should be doing everything in its power to make sure a camera never sees that again.

As a Penn State alumn who’s been to a few alumni functions, I’ve been told more than twice that Penn State leaving for the ACC was never an option. Penn State in the ACC is like a very big fish in a very small pond. The B1G was not ready to expel PSU but it was an option just in case PSU didn’t cooperate with the investigation.

I just don’t see PSU ever giving up annual games against Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State with the occasional games against Nebraska, Wisconsin and Iowa for anything the ACC has to offer. If PSU wants to play the former Eastern independents they can schedule them OOC (Pitt, Temple, West Virginia and Virginia Tech are on the schedule). Penn State and the Big Ten are made for each other. There’s no other conference that’s a better fit for the Nittany Lions.

Ohio State vs. Penn State is a special game every year. Love this game and I am thrilled that Penn State is a part of this great conference.

(08-23-2019 07:45 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  If Mike Locksley doesn't pan out at Maryland, I imagine there will be Rutgers-like turmoil in College Park. Attendance is down, and the novelty has worn off. Many alumni and fans are tired of losing. There's no excitement/energy entering the 2019 season. I imagine some fans are ready for basketball season.

Maryland is going to be just fine at football!

(08-23-2019 07:57 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-23-2019 07:45 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  If Mike Locksley doesn't pan out at Maryland, I imagine there will be Rutgers-like turmoil in College Park. Attendance is down, and the novelty has worn off. Many alumni and fans are tired of losing. There's no excitement/energy entering the 2019 season. I imagine some fans are ready for basketball season.

Maryland is going to be just fine at football!

I hope so! The talent is there to compete and win, but the coaching is questionable.

The woes at Rutgers and Maryland are somewhat predictable and I’m not entirely sure what those two were supposed to do to avoid it. They got added to the Big Ten East and a division with 3 of the most historic college football powerhouses in Ohio St, Penn St, and Michigan. Add to that a scrappy little school in East Lansing that has been playing incredibly well for the past decade and you can start to see the losses already penciled into the schedule. It comes to no surprise that Rutgers and Maryland are struggling to notch wins against these programs. Producing teams that can challenge these programs year in and year out is a tall order. It’s almost as if they were added for the purposes of padding the records of their division mates.

Maryland was one of the ACC’s largest schools and largest athletic departments. And it conducted its business in one of the most expensive areas in the country. UMD can be many things, and they have seen football success in a tough ACC. I still think, though maybe not in this current division configuration, there are bright days for Terrapin football in the Big Ten.

Rutgers, otoh...

To me, at least Maryland has some infrastructure for success. Basketball, lacrosse, the women’s programs...it bleeds money and has rough patches with donors, but it has known success. That is something Rutgers has almost never had, and sounds like will still be very far off knowing, if ever.

(08-23-2019 03:37 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(08-23-2019 01:40 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 02:12 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Generous or not they are tickets sold. That looks good in the AD's budget. Tickets scanned, or in this case the lack of, looks horrible on the Television.

I'm by no means a Rutgers fan. I will though support them since they are now a Peer member of the conference in which teams I do love are a part of.

Rutgers is doing wonderful things right now with their athletic facilities. I promise you that this was part of the deal in joining the conference. Will this translate to better teams? I would hope so!

If the competition of the conference is insurmountable and Rutgers and their fans see it as a no win situation, maybe they should start the process of their withdraw?

People on here love to degrade Rutgers and Uconn more than any other teams. I know a fellow Ohio State poster (whom I have a lot of respect for) ran a thread on here that went on and on and on etc...About his hate for the Rutgers addition. I also know that your former Big East peers love to bash Rutgers even though they haven't done a damn thing themselves! Rutgers is now in the Big 10 and people need to accept it. This includes Rutgers fans! Instead of being the joke of college football maybe respect who you are and support your teams. Do this and it speeds up the process to better days!

Like I posted in another thread a few weeks ago, most of the UConn bashing is not directed at UConn, but at the posters (from other schools mind you) who always post that UConn is so much better than the rest of the schools in the AAC. Most of those clowns are Big East BB and fans of MWC schools, and low level P5 schools. Any ire at UConn usually is in the form of frustration of UConn refusing to accept their own responsibility for those woes (and in fact blaming the rest of the AAC for their lack of success).

As to Rutgers, I actually enjoyed watching my Bearcats match up against them in the Big East. It was a bitter pill for me as a Cincinnati fan to see Rutgers elevated to the B10, knowing that a) we more than held our own against the Scarlet Knights on the field and court and b) due to a variety of reasons my alma mater will never, ever get to play in the B10 and face schools in our backyard on a yearly basis. Instead we get stuck with Tulsa and East Carolina, teams people in our city don't care about. Call it envy I guess.. I don't hate Rutgers, though. More power to them, I understand why they made the move.

That’s not necessarily the case. AAC fans keep saying losing UConn is not a big deal. It might be the norm on the AAC board but for any outsider (I don’t have a dog on this fight) it’s not the case. Losing your biggest basketball brand even with their terrible football is bad perception wise not matter how you guys spin it. It’s the only school that separated the AAC with its C-USA identity.

I believe the AAC is the best non power league in football and basketball. The MWC is not even close. But it’ll never be a power conference or P6 as you guys call it. There’s two schools from that bunch (Cincinnati and Houston) that stand out and deserve to be in a P5 conference but the rest lack one or two things like location, academics, commitment or have a directional name to go that will keep them from getting invited to a P5.

It sucks for Cincinnati. You guys did the right things in the Big East and took the opportunity to grow your athletic department when given a seat in the big table. You guys did more than Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers and Louisville (they cheated to be where they’re at). West Virginia was the one that really deserved the P5 invite based on their football record. Cincinnati was the other one.

Football Record is just one data point. P5 invites depends on many things: Brand, Academic Prestige, Overall Strength of the sports programs, facilities, TV ratings, strength on Men's Basketball, Geography, personal relationships...

To say Cincy deserved an invite over Pitt, Cuse, Rutgers and Louisville missed the big picture.