(08-14-2019 01:56 PM)BFieldHusky Wrote:  Do you think the American will eventually go to 20 conference games after UConn leaves? With 11 teams, everyone plays a true round robin.

I only ask because the Big Ten, Big East, ACC and Pac 12 are all going to it. It's going to be harder and harder for the bottom teams in this league to schedule competitively in the OOC with fewer games available.

The bottom teams would probably love 20 games, while Memphis, Houston and Cincy would despise it.

Anytime you have a program that perpetually finishes in the 200 range in RPI or NET you lose before you even play them. No way to 20 games

(08-14-2019 10:59 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 08:53 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 10:25 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 09:18 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  I can't wait to play some of you guys this year. We're going to surprise some people. Less than 3 months to go!

No you won’t.

Most of the league will be busy getting battle tested, meanwhile when ECU lines up to play Memphis or Houston, they aren’t going to know what him them. It will be like moving from playing high school teams to blue bloods.

You did your players, fans & the league no justice with this schedule.

The reality is.... your a buy game until proven other wise. Just get bought, beaten and at least have a good SOS


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This schedule is an absolute joke and will hurt us on many levels HOWEVER we beat Cincy in the 2nd conference game last year on Jan 5, coming off an equally bad OOC and were competitive with Memphis and UCF in conf games 3 & 4 on the road just after with an obviously terrible team that had no test OOC. That was the best we played all year infact.

Yes I would like to have seen some more test and just a better overall schedule more for reasons like better NET, NET, NET, RPI, NET and NET as well as attendance, TV, and recruiting etc etc. After the first couple games I don't think the OOC will have much impact on how we do in conference. You'll either get up to speed and run with the bigger dogs or you don't.

My God.. Build a f'n statue right in the heart of the ECU Campus that says you beat Cincinnati. Thats literally your only rebuttal after any UC fan mentions ECU. You beat UC when they were in a rebuilding year, but we all know damn well that if UC played them 10x, they'd beat them 9 out of 10.

Kudos to ECU for getting to host a school like Cincinnati, because if you weren't in this league, you'd never get a chance to play a Home and Home with UC. Thats just reality. We can be your super bowl. Its fine. It doesn't even burn that we lost to you, **** happens, we lost 3 of our best players in what was supposed to be a transition year.

But back to the point.. Your schedule is an embarassment to the league. You have a squad full of Juco's and freshman, who've never played at the AAC level, You'd think that you'd at least be a Buy game to see what your guys are made of.

Dooley is going to have no idea what works against a defense like Cincinnati or Houston. Like ECU has a respect issue and perception issue as much as a basketball performance issue, so at least lining up your self against a few good teams would give you a chance to change that perception.


But now the problem is, If you do happen to Beat UC or Houston or Memphis 1 time this year, its literally seen as a fluke. Because you did no other proving

Your points are all valid. But sometimes if you are a fan of the team that got fluke super bowl'd last year it's best to not say things like this "meanwhile when ECU lines up to play Memphis or Houston, they aren’t going to know what him them." a few months later. You're just handing out ammunition. Let the Houston fan say it. Your argument loses a lot of punch.

You can't have it both ways. Claiming that a crappy non-conference schedule doesn't prepare a team for the first time they play a top league team and then hand-waiving away that it literally just happened is pretty weak.

Now, if you want to smack talk the schedule and how this crap is why Cincy can't get a 3 seed then I'm mostly on board. Though even that would be a little weak given that it isn't that hard for one to look up Cincy's non-con schedules the last decade.

(08-14-2019 07:50 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 07:17 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  I blame the AAC for bring us down. No one cares about basketball in the south. We have no rivalries in this conference. Fans don't care about these teams. We need our own local media deal. Its not our fault!

Am I doing it right UCONN fans?

We were still able to put together decent OOC football schedules despite all those hurdles you listed, but other than that, excellent job.

But this is my lead up to going Independent in basketball and getting great teams to play, better players, more money, less travel.

(08-13-2019 12:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 12:34 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  The biggest issue is that they’ll lose 5 of those OOC games.

If ECU loses 5 of those games I'll go ahead and start advocating not just for Dooley to be fired but to just drop basketball.

Join the big east.

(08-14-2019 03:26 PM)RGVCoog Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 12:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 12:34 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  The biggest issue is that they’ll lose 5 of those OOC games.

If ECU loses 5 of those games I'll go ahead and start advocating not just for Dooley to be fired but to just drop basketball.

Join the big east.

Never!

(08-14-2019 03:26 PM)RGVCoog Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 12:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 12:34 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  The biggest issue is that they’ll lose 5 of those OOC games.

If ECU loses 5 of those games I'll go ahead and start advocating not just for Dooley to be fired but to just drop basketball.

Join the big east.

Can't live a gansta life style on them Big East pennies. We'll keep cashing AAC arab money checks, thank you very much.

(08-14-2019 01:56 PM)BFieldHusky Wrote:  Do you think the American will eventually go to 20 conference games after UConn leaves? With 11 teams, everyone plays a true round robin.

I only ask because the Big Ten, Big East, ACC and Pac 12 are all going to it. It's going to be harder and harder for the bottom teams in this league to schedule competitively in the OOC with fewer games available.

The bottom teams would probably love 20 games, while Memphis, Houston and Cincy would despise it.

I think this works if you apply scheduling restrictions.

(08-14-2019 02:38 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 01:54 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  A lot of these contracts expire this year for non conference games. Most of these games were set by Leno and Compher. (JMU, App State, Charlotte, etc). So that should help. Other two problems is that no one wants to play us due to our terrible RPI and we can’t go on the road to play buy games to help our RPI due to the American rule of no buy games in basketball. So we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Our goal is to increase our record this year (try to hit 20 wins) and use that to schedule better games next year.

This is just wrong, there aren't a "lot" of games from already on the books when he got here. There are Charlotte, JMU and App left over that were on the books before Dooley and UNCW from last year. The joke of it is they are about the BEST games and MARQUEE games of interest the last two years that we have played. These aren't the bad games or problems any ones complaining about, they are the ones the ticket people marketed infact as the best. Dooley had plenty of schedule to shape it however he wanted and just didn't. Call it for what it is.

As to the other excuses you bought into there are other schools in this league with similar issues like Tulane that blow our schedule away the last 5 years and get ACC /p5 teams to play them at home in a 3k seat gym so there really is no excuses. Ive heard them all from some of the ECU fans that will defend anything but their aren't really valid for the last 3 schedules to be near worst in the nation. You have to TRY to make them this bad and this is mostly Dooley at this point and our fans like you that buy the excueses who let them off the hook.

We'll see how we do, I think you just have to adjust the expectations to 11-2 or better record he need to meet now if he is going to make one this bad. For me if he doesn't have AT least a #175ish NET or better I think this year it's a failure so he needs to win enough to meet the very minimum standards of that if he's going to schedule this poorly he better hold up the other end.

Dooley got us in a very prestigious tournament in Annapolis. We aren’t playing the best team but we got in that tournament which is a good start. Plus he got us in the first true early season tournament in a long time another positive.

We were also supposed to play State at a neutral site this year but they backed out. Tulane gets the advantage of being in New Orleans (easy to get to and has a lot of recruits) and the second best program in Louisiana. ACC schools play in NC enough during conference play and really only want to play us in a buy game. We also have to compete with Charlotte, Wake, State, and Davidson for home and home with regional P5s ( UNC and Duke are on another level). I’m not making excuses just showing the reality. Dooley knows we have to start winning games and getting our RPI up in order to have any chance to improve our non conference scheduling. If the American wanted to help us out it could throw us a bone on some non conference games or tournaments. I don’t think Dooley is afraid to play anyone just having issues scheduling.

Last year we played Georgia Tech and Dooley set that up in the tournament.

1. The schedule sucks. No doubt about it. Not going to try to defend it.
2. UNCW, Davidson, Charlotte aren't getting at large bids to the dance. They're getting auto bids by winning the championship in much easier conferences. Charlotte just started football. The others are basketball-only schools. I live in Wilmington. I laugh when UNCW has homecoming during basketball season. Nonetheless, basketball is the only show on these campuses.
3. We don't recruit against the ACC schools in basketball. Never have. However, we can't ignore the effect that being geographically close to them, in a state rich in basketball history, has had on our program. ECU has been, by design, a football-first school. It was the path of least resistance to be able to compete with the ACC schools athletically. NCSU leads our series 17-13 with the first 18 games of the series all having been played on their home field in Raleigh. Their first trip to Greenville wasn't until 1999. But this is evidence of the success that we've had against the schools west of us. ECU has planted itself firmly on the football map in North Carolina and has a rather rabid following. HOWEVER, it is very commonplace to hear ECU fans stating, "I love ECU football, but I pull for Carolina (or Duke or NCSU) in basketball." These fans and students would rather stay home to watch their favorite ACC team play on TV than see the Pirates play in person. It sucks, but it can't be denied. The tide will change; however. While in the CAA or CUSA, their weren't that many intriguing conference home games that had enough drawing power to pull these bandwagon ACC fans away from their TV's (or ACC venues) and to Minges Coliseum. This is where being in the AAC will help ECU. Having very quality conference matchups with ranked opponents; especially if ECU can prove competitive and competent in these matchups, will draw these fans over time. Rome wasn't built in a day, but I believe in Dooley and his staff. The wins will come. The upsets will come. The excitement will come and the fans will come. In time, our OOC schedule will vastly improve and we won't be a drag anymore.

(08-14-2019 02:32 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 01:44 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 07:55 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 05:03 PM)STLWAVE Wrote:  Wowww. The ECU schedule makes Tulane's schedule look ******* exceptional!


Tulane vs ECU OOC by NET

Tulane Average Opponent NET With Tourneys
Best Case: 82
Worst Case: 225

ECU Average Opponent NET With Tourneys
Best Case: 178
Worst Case: 288



Tulane:
SE Louisiana 249
Jackson State 328
Northwestern State 334
Myrtle Beach (Miss. St.) 21
Myrtle Beach (Nova or MTSU) 28 or 248
Myrtle Beach (Utah, CCU, Ohio, Baylor) 97, 153, 177, 34
Southern 340
at Southern Miss 102
Jerry Coangelo Classic (Saint Louis) 107
Alcorn State 347
Clash at the Capitol (Akron) 119
Clash at the Capitol (Liberty or Towson) 53 or 261

ECU:
VMI 306
Navy 281
App State 215
Liberty 53
Evansville 210
George Washington or UMKC 285 or 232
Liberty, Milwaukee, Morgan State or Rice 53, 299, 332, 217
JMU 254
Coppin State 342
Campbell 213
UMES 352
Charlotte 266
Eastern Kentucky 256

East Carolina basketball is such a drag on this conference.

Look I really don’t mean this as an insult. But I still do not understand how a university in basketball rich North Carolina with minimal entrance issues and at a min average facilities (in many ways I would say above average over all D1)can stink this bad. I legit don’t get it.

Let me explain. ECU has always been a football school first. Less than 20 years ago we were members of the Colonial, where we were average at best as a basketball program. Also, when you sit in the backyard of four ACC schools, it’s extremely difficult to recruit, especially if your program has never been close to their level competitively. Things are changing though for the Pirates, and much of that has to do with Coach Dooley and the staff he assembled. Being a member of the AAC is also helping with the recruiting part.
If Dooley successfully brings this program up in line with the other members of the conference, I really believe that the program will stay consistently at that level or better going forward and will not regress.

Come on- You are going to make this argument with a school like Cincinnati in the house? Cincinnati competes with Louisville, Kentucky, Ohio State, and Indiana in their circle.

ECU needs to schedule better. Yes, this can be acknowledged. Getting teams to visit Greenville will be a real challenge.

(08-14-2019 10:59 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Dooley is going to have no idea what works against a defense like Cincinnati or Houston. Like ECU has a respect issue and perception issue as much as a basketball performance issue, so at least lining up your self against a few good teams would give you a chance to change that perception.


But now the problem is, If you do happen to Beat UC or Houston or Memphis 1 time this year, its literally seen as a fluke. Because you did no other proving

Dooley is an experienced coach. Whether Dooley has the horses to compete is the issue and not whether he can understand the defenses Cincinnati and Houston can throw at him.