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RE: Saban talks fan support and going to 10 P5 teams
(08-15-2019 04:40 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
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(08-15-2019 01:49 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 09:11 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Not disagreeing with any of that, I guess I’m just saying I’d like Alabama to start leading the charge and actually scheduling 10 P5 games. While I appreciate that he’s at least willing to talk a big game, article would be a lot more impactful if it was coming from the perspective of Kirby Smart

Playing Duke, OK, they are P5. Certainly not a powerhouse, but part of the system. Duke has improved with Cutcliffe, but not near Alabama's strength and depth.

Southern Miss is actually an old-time Alabama rival, they are in the greater neighborhood, and interest would be good.

New Mexico State is the independent cupcake. They have to travel and get battered for money and fulfill a schedule need

Western Carolina is FCS and has played Alabama prior. Alabama could find closer and better FCS schools that would render a better rationale for playing. WCU could be better competition for Alabama than NMSU. That's not saying much.

Scheduling the 10th P5 game and not playing WCU or NMSU would have been more sensible

We're talking about a top 2 power, a recruiting giant, up there year after year. One would think they would want to be seen as above certain things when it comes to scheduling. Hey, Saban has repeatedly made an issue about scheduling, He should expect that's inviting scrutiny of how he's been scheduling

Coaches don't make schedules, AD's do. At Alabama the AD is tasked with making it easy by the Trustees. I'm sure Saban would rather play better schools. But Alabama has 2 problems. First, they are Alabama and better FCS and G5's don't want to get embarrassed because they are counting on knocking off some P5 conference's mid tier team and winning their own conference for a pay day bowl. The last school they will schedule from the P5 would be Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, or Washington. Therefore the AD's at those schools have to look around for a good Homecoming victim and another good buy game. Their pickings are slim and the best bet is to play in state school. Well nobody is going to play Troy! They've knocked off L.S.U. and Nebraska. So what is the Alabama AD going to do? They aren't going to legitimize UAB and Jacksonville State has played them too close. So Western Carolina it is, or ETSU. Alabama tried Citidel a few years back and that was one ugly win.

They pick Southern Miss because those folks travel and fill seats.

Remember this is the Southeast. Georgia Southern and the Florida Directional schools are all pretty strong and big enough to cause key injuries. This is one reason Florida has scheduled MAC schools. To be guaranteed a win you don't want to play a midsized or small school from the Southeast.

But nobody should jump on Saban for the schedule. He doesn't make it and none of the SEC's coaches do.

Yes, ADs/Associate ADs make the schedules. I started to indicate that, but assumed it is all understood. Saban is part of the Alabama Athletic Department, so referencing him has a dual purpose. 1. He represents Alabama football in a global sense, 2. Saban is the one in the SEC who brings up scheduling complaints and/or advocacy most frequently; at least the highest profile guy that does.

I agree with your points regarding the challenges for Alabama. Of course all major schools do so also one way or another. All have to consider potential injuries. You noted the limitations Alabama places on their spectrum of choices. Fair enough,; however they are still selecting priorities.

I don't want to imply Alabama avoids tough picks as a practice that exceeds the level what many others adopt. The original reaction to Saban's "all P5" comment was to say, "pursue 10 P5 first" and that is something most, if not all, SEC schools can do on their own. Alabama, or any other school in P5 for that matter, can't have it both ways. On the one hand, softies and breaks are needed to prepare for tougher and more meaningful conference games, plus there will be fewer injuries; then on the other hand, declare "we must play an elite "all P5".

My view? Saban doesn't really want what he is advocating. It's safe to state without pressure, accountability, and movement to do it. Just say, P5 or the SEC are responsible to make such happen. It's cover for whatever Saban (uh, the AD) decides to do within the parameters for their own scheduling.

Hey, I'm an Auburn guy! We open with Oregon, and have opened with Clemson and Washington. Our permanent cross division is Georgia who until this year we had to play before the Alabama game. Alabama's crossover is Tennessee who has been pedestrian at best for years and is not played before the Auburn game.

They've always gamed the system going back to Bear's days. Vanderbilt, Ole Miss and Miss State were not annual stalwarts back then. And and add L.S.U., who was a strong mid brand except for Burt Jones's years, to Tennessee which was tougher, and Auburn and add one rotating conference game and that was Bear's schedule.

Auburn on the other hand annually had Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, former conference member Georgia Tech, Mississippi State, and rotated 2.

The fact that Alabama and L.S.U. hardly ever played Vince Dooley's dogs and L.S.U. hardly ever played Tennessee and Ole Miss and Miss State were hardly ever extremely strong (Archie made Ole Miss tougher and Jackie Sherrill came a bit later for some tough State teams), and the schedules were hardly anything but fair.

Auburn and Georgia who had some great teams couldn't keep from knocking each other off and usually Tennessee and Florida in the process.

So it's always been this way. Divisional Play actually made it a bit more fair, but not completely with a down Tennessee being a much easier W than Georgia.

But I don't give a rat's behind what the other 4 conferences think as long as we are playing 9 P games. The middle of the SEC is stronger than any middle of any other conference out there. 9 P games in the SEC is tougher than 9 in the Big 10 who would be next and 9 in the Big 12 who would closely follow, and much much more difficult than 9 in the ACC or PAC.

When the PAC is up it's either USC or UW. When the ACC is up its either F.S.U. or Clemson. The PAC has a better middle than the ACC and is still weak.

I'll give those two conferences their due when they have 6 or 7 schools playing ball that could upset anyone on a given Saturday. The SEC has that and the Big 10 as well. The new 14 member SEC usually has 9 schools capable of pulling the upset on a given Saturday.

So my reticence in all of this is that 9 P games in the SEC is not equal to 9 P games in other conferences.

I'm all for going to 12 P games, but when we do it still won't mean that everyone plays an equal schedule with regard to strength.

What would Miss State's record be in the ACC? I think most years Miss State could beat: Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, North Carolina, Virginia, Duke, Wake Forest, and N.C. State. I think your tougher games would be Virginia Tech, Miami Louisville, and Georgia Tech but that all would be winnable. And your only tests would be against Clemson and Florida State.

It is why I give Clemson their due as national champs, but I wonder how fresh their players would be after taking on Georgia, Auburn, L.S.U., Florida, South Carolina, and Tennessee before getting to Alabama.

The championship in the SEC many years boils down to pure attrition.

My Tigers beat Alabama and Georgia to end the regular season only we finished those last two games so banged up Georgia beat us handily in the rematch and we limped into the Peach Bowl. Clemson will never face that kind of 3 game gauntlet. They play Florida State and that's it other than their OOC games which they do schedule tough but those are usually played in the first two weeks of the season with the cakewalk of the ACC in between.

So when this happens it still won't be fair. It will only be guaranteed to involve a champion from as many regions of the country as possible and will be a made for TV event.
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RE: Saban talks fan support and going to 10 P5 teams
(08-15-2019 05:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 04:40 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 02:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 01:49 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 09:11 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Not disagreeing with any of that, I guess I’m just saying I’d like Alabama to start leading the charge and actually scheduling 10 P5 games. While I appreciate that he’s at least willing to talk a big game, article would be a lot more impactful if it was coming from the perspective of Kirby Smart

Playing Duke, OK, they are P5. Certainly not a powerhouse, but part of the system. Duke has improved with Cutcliffe, but not near Alabama's strength and depth.

Southern Miss is actually an old-time Alabama rival, they are in the greater neighborhood, and interest would be good.

New Mexico State is the independent cupcake. They have to travel and get battered for money and fulfill a schedule need

Western Carolina is FCS and has played Alabama prior. Alabama could find closer and better FCS schools that would render a better rationale for playing. WCU could be better competition for Alabama than NMSU. That's not saying much.

Scheduling the 10th P5 game and not playing WCU or NMSU would have been more sensible

We're talking about a top 2 power, a recruiting giant, up there year after year. One would think they would want to be seen as above certain things when it comes to scheduling. Hey, Saban has repeatedly made an issue about scheduling, He should expect that's inviting scrutiny of how he's been scheduling

Coaches don't make schedules, AD's do. At Alabama the AD is tasked with making it easy by the Trustees. I'm sure Saban would rather play better schools. But Alabama has 2 problems. First, they are Alabama and better FCS and G5's don't want to get embarrassed because they are counting on knocking off some P5 conference's mid tier team and winning their own conference for a pay day bowl. The last school they will schedule from the P5 would be Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, or Washington. Therefore the AD's at those schools have to look around for a good Homecoming victim and another good buy game. Their pickings are slim and the best bet is to play in state school. Well nobody is going to play Troy! They've knocked off L.S.U. and Nebraska. So what is the Alabama AD going to do? They aren't going to legitimize UAB and Jacksonville State has played them too close. So Western Carolina it is, or ETSU. Alabama tried Citidel a few years back and that was one ugly win.

They pick Southern Miss because those folks travel and fill seats.

Remember this is the Southeast. Georgia Southern and the Florida Directional schools are all pretty strong and big enough to cause key injuries. This is one reason Florida has scheduled MAC schools. To be guaranteed a win you don't want to play a midsized or small school from the Southeast.

But nobody should jump on Saban for the schedule. He doesn't make it and none of the SEC's coaches do.

Yes, ADs/Associate ADs make the schedules. I started to indicate that, but assumed it is all understood. Saban is part of the Alabama Athletic Department, so referencing him has a dual purpose. 1. He represents Alabama football in a global sense, 2. Saban is the one in the SEC who brings up scheduling complaints and/or advocacy most frequently; at least the highest profile guy that does.

I agree with your points regarding the challenges for Alabama. Of course all major schools do so also one way or another. All have to consider potential injuries. You noted the limitations Alabama places on their spectrum of choices. Fair enough,; however they are still selecting priorities.

I don't want to imply Alabama avoids tough picks as a practice that exceeds the level what many others adopt. The original reaction to Saban's "all P5" comment was to say, "pursue 10 P5 first" and that is something most, if not all, SEC schools can do on their own. Alabama, or any other school in P5 for that matter, can't have it both ways. On the one hand, softies and breaks are needed to prepare for tougher and more meaningful conference games, plus there will be fewer injuries; then on the other hand, declare "we must play an elite "all P5".

My view? Saban doesn't really want what he is advocating. It's safe to state without pressure, accountability, and movement to do it. Just say, P5 or the SEC are responsible to make such happen. It's cover for whatever Saban (uh, the AD) decides to do within the parameters for their own scheduling.

Hey, I'm an Auburn guy! We open with Oregon, and have opened with Clemson and Washington. Our permanent cross division is Georgia who until this year we had to play before the Alabama game. Alabama's crossover is Tennessee who has been pedestrian at best for years and is not played before the Auburn game.

They've always gamed the system going back to Bear's days. Vanderbilt, Ole Miss and Miss State were not annual stalwarts back then. And and add L.S.U., who was a strong mid brand except for Burt Jones's years, to Tennessee which was tougher, and Auburn and add one rotating conference game and that was Bear's schedule.

Auburn on the other hand annually had Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, former conference member Georgia Tech, Mississippi State, and rotated 2.

The fact that Alabama and L.S.U. hardly ever played Vince Dooley's dogs and L.S.U. hardly ever played Tennessee and Ole Miss and Miss State were hardly ever extremely strong (Archie made Ole Miss tougher and Jackie Sherrill came a bit later for some tough State teams), and the schedules were hardly anything but fair.

Auburn and Georgia who had some great teams couldn't keep from knocking each other off and usually Tennessee and Florida in the process.

So it's always been this way. Divisional Play actually made it a bit more fair, but not completely with a down Tennessee being a much easier W than Georgia.

But I don't give a rat's behind what the other 4 conferences think as long as we are playing 9 P games. The middle of the SEC is stronger than any middle of any other conference out there. 9 P games in the SEC is tougher than 9 in the Big 10 who would be next and 9 in the Big 12 who would closely follow, and much much more difficult than 9 in the ACC or PAC.

When the PAC is up it's either USC or UW. When the ACC is up its either F.S.U. or Clemson. The PAC has a better middle than the ACC and is still weak.

I'll give those two conferences their due when they have 6 or 7 schools playing ball that could upset anyone on a given Saturday. The SEC has that and the Big 10 as well. The new 14 member SEC usually has 9 schools capable of pulling the upset on a given Saturday.

So my reticence in all of this is that 9 P games in the SEC is not equal to 9 P games in other conferences.

I'm all for going to 12 P games, but when we do it still won't mean that everyone plays an equal schedule with regard to strength.

What would Miss State's record be in the ACC? I think most years Miss State could beat: Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, North Carolina, Virginia, Duke, Wake Forest, and N.C. State. I think your tougher games would be Virginia Tech, Miami Louisville, and Georgia Tech but that all would be winnable. And your only tests would be against Clemson and Florida State.

It is why I give Clemson their due as national champs, but I wonder how fresh their players would be after taking on Georgia, Auburn, L.S.U., Florida, South Carolina, and Tennessee before getting to Alabama.

The championship in the SEC many years boils down to pure attrition.

My Tigers beat Alabama and Georgia to end the regular season only we finished those last two games so banged up Georgia beat us handily in the rematch and we limped into the Peach Bowl. Clemson will never face that kind of 3 game gauntlet. They play Florida State and that's it other than their OOC games which they do schedule tough but those are usually played in the first two weeks of the season with the cakewalk of the ACC in between.

So when this happens it still won't be fair. It will only be guaranteed to involve a champion from as many regions of the country as possible and will be a made for TV event.

I am going to the SC--Alabama game with a good friend who is a big ole 'Bama fan driving up for it. The tickets are in the Alabama visitor section. I have to show up hours earlier to try to switch seating to the eligible disabilities section. I hope SC at least keeps it close, or near miraculously, wins this one.

My biggest wish though, the afternoon game will not be horribly hot @ 87+ degrees F.
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RE: Saban talks fan support and going to 10 P5 teams
(08-15-2019 02:08 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 09:11 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Not disagreeing with any of that, I guess I’m just saying I’d like Alabama to start leading the charge and actually scheduling 10 P5 games. While I appreciate that he’s at least willing to talk a big game, article would be a lot more impactful if it was coming from the perspective of Kirby Smart

There are already hints that the next decade will probably include 10 Power games.

Saban and Byrne have both said the neutral site games probably aren't going away. Considering we have a slate of home and homes with some strong programs then there's really only one way to interpret that.

We have series with Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and West Virginia coming up. Throw in a series with South Florida too. The word is we're looking for a date that works with Florida State.

To the point about the Eastern teams that play a rival from the ACC, let's be honest about the nature of that. Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and Kentucky have traditional rivals that they are not about to stop playing. The games are worth too much.

To ensure flexibility and that they shake their schedule up a little bit(fans don't want to see the same teams all the time), they have started scheduling a 10th Power game. Georgia, for example, mainly does it to boost the home schedule because the Florida game is always a neutral site. South Carolina tends to play North Carolina a fair bit, but looking at their future schedules I don't see a lot of P5s outside of Clemson. Consider also that UNC is a far cry from an elite opponent.

Looking at Florida's schedule, it's much the same. A few quality games are scheduled about a decade out. Other than Florida State, the schedule is sparse although to be fair they could be looking to make room for some neutral site games.

All in all, I just find it odd that everyone wants Alabama to schedule the best of the best every single season. Ohio State, Oklahoma, Clemson, or whoever won the previous year's national title all need to be on our schedule or we're just not playing anybody. If everyone was held to the same standard then it wouldn't annoy me, but it doesn't seem that way to me.

Yeah, I know we're playing Duke this year and Duke isn't a must-see opponent by any means. I wish we had another quality game on there, but the future looks very different.

Anyway, my whole point was that for Saban to be a pace-setter there must be a mechanism that encourages people to follow his lead. I'm not aware of anything like that. If Bama schedule 12 Power games then I don't see why anyone else would do it out a sense of nobility. So I don't think it's strange that Saban is calling for rules that force everyone to play more Power opponents. And that's really what he's calling for...a system that rewards more quality games.

If Saban was scared of competition then he wouldn't touch the topic or he would just go around talking about how tough the current schedule is. I have no idea why his words bother people so much.

For SC it’s mostly been the case in odd years

2009 - @NC State
2011 - East Carolina (Charlotte), Navy
2013 - UNC, @UCF
2015 - UNC (Charlotte)
2017 - NC State (Charlotte)
2019 - UNC (Charlotte)
2021 - @ECU
2023 - UNC (Charlotte)
2025 - @App State

Not all of those are P5, but when it’s G5 or independent it’s at least away from home

I should clarify - I don’t think Alabama is doing a BAD job. They’re doing fine schedule wise and have gotten a bad rap because some of the teams they’ve lined up tanked unexpectedly

My biggest complaint is that he’s trying to act like he wants to lead on this when he really hasn’t and the media is sort of giving him that mantle for no reason when other schools are actually doing it
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(08-15-2019 11:08 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 02:08 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 09:11 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Not disagreeing with any of that, I guess I’m just saying I’d like Alabama to start leading the charge and actually scheduling 10 P5 games. While I appreciate that he’s at least willing to talk a big game, article would be a lot more impactful if it was coming from the perspective of Kirby Smart

There are already hints that the next decade will probably include 10 Power games.

Saban and Byrne have both said the neutral site games probably aren't going away. Considering we have a slate of home and homes with some strong programs then there's really only one way to interpret that.

We have series with Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and West Virginia coming up. Throw in a series with South Florida too. The word is we're looking for a date that works with Florida State.

To the point about the Eastern teams that play a rival from the ACC, let's be honest about the nature of that. Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and Kentucky have traditional rivals that they are not about to stop playing. The games are worth too much.

To ensure flexibility and that they shake their schedule up a little bit(fans don't want to see the same teams all the time), they have started scheduling a 10th Power game. Georgia, for example, mainly does it to boost the home schedule because the Florida game is always a neutral site. South Carolina tends to play North Carolina a fair bit, but looking at their future schedules I don't see a lot of P5s outside of Clemson. Consider also that UNC is a far cry from an elite opponent.

Looking at Florida's schedule, it's much the same. A few quality games are scheduled about a decade out. Other than Florida State, the schedule is sparse although to be fair they could be looking to make room for some neutral site games.

All in all, I just find it odd that everyone wants Alabama to schedule the best of the best every single season. Ohio State, Oklahoma, Clemson, or whoever won the previous year's national title all need to be on our schedule or we're just not playing anybody. If everyone was held to the same standard then it wouldn't annoy me, but it doesn't seem that way to me.

Yeah, I know we're playing Duke this year and Duke isn't a must-see opponent by any means. I wish we had another quality game on there, but the future looks very different.

Anyway, my whole point was that for Saban to be a pace-setter there must be a mechanism that encourages people to follow his lead. I'm not aware of anything like that. If Bama schedule 12 Power games then I don't see why anyone else would do it out a sense of nobility. So I don't think it's strange that Saban is calling for rules that force everyone to play more Power opponents. And that's really what he's calling for...a system that rewards more quality games.

If Saban was scared of competition then he wouldn't touch the topic or he would just go around talking about how tough the current schedule is. I have no idea why his words bother people so much.

For SC it’s mostly been the case in odd years

2009 - @NC State
2011 - East Carolina (Charlotte), Navy
2013 - UNC, @UCF
2015 - UNC (Charlotte)
2017 - NC State (Charlotte)
2019 - UNC (Charlotte)
2021 - @ECU
2023 - UNC (Charlotte)
2025 - @App State

Not all of those are P5, but when it’s G5 or independent it’s at least away from home

I should clarify - I don’t think Alabama is doing a BAD job. They’re doing fine schedule wise and have gotten a bad rap because some of the teams they’ve lined up tanked unexpectedly

My biggest complaint is that he’s trying to act like he wants to lead on this when he really hasn’t and the media is sort of giving him that mantle for no reason when other schools are actually doing it

When it comes to the mantle, he's got that going for him because he's won so many titles. The media would do the same for any coach that consistently wins. They'll always pay more attention to whatever the guys at the top of the game are saying because it will generate the most attention from fans. Or at the very least, they'll pay attention to whatever the hot name is saying or doing.

For the most part, Saban is one of the few guys that tends to take time and talk about the game at a macro level. Most coaches don't do that. Even some of the ones that do comment on such things tend to be a little wacky and not taken seriously.

Mack Brown is another guy that the media will give a platform to. One of the reasons is because he's worked with them so much and another is because he established quite a winning reputation before things went off the rails at Texas.

But to your main point, I don't see it as a bad thing that Saban is calling for better games. At worst, fans get motivated to start calling for more quality games when they see even the coaches are doing it. I just don't see a downside here.
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(08-15-2019 04:40 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  My view? Saban doesn't really want what he is advocating. It's safe to state without pressure, accountability, and movement to do it. Just say, P5 or the SEC are responsible to make such happen. It's cover for whatever Saban (uh, the AD) decides to do within the parameters for their own scheduling.

I touched on this in my above post, but to be more precise I have a few other thoughts.

Let's say for sake of argument that you are 100% correct that Saban doesn't want more quality games on the schedule. The question is this: does it even matter?

If one of the leading coaches in the game is calling for more quality games and saying that fans deserve better then doesn't it stand to reason that more fans will get the courage to demand better from their respective athletic departments? More coaches and ADs will feel pressure to succumb to the desires of the fans.

Let's say Saban is completely disingenuous with his commentary, all that has to happen is for others around the country to start walking the walk and Saban will be forced to follow suit eventually. Everyone wins.

I don't understand why fans are on this kick where they need to call out Saban or anyone else for hypocrisy. Don't we all want more quality games? Shouldn't we then be cheering him on?

The only way we're going to get better games is if we demand it. If fans are more preoccupied with who said what and why then the conversation loses steam and becomes counterproductive.
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RE: Saban talks fan support and going to 10 P5 teams
(08-16-2019 12:05 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 04:40 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  My view? Saban doesn't really want what he is advocating. It's safe to state without pressure, accountability, and movement to do it. Just say, P5 or the SEC are responsible to make such happen. It's cover for whatever Saban (uh, the AD) decides to do within the parameters for their own scheduling.

I touched on this in my above post, but to be more precise I have a few other thoughts.

Let's say for sake of argument that you are 100% correct that Saban doesn't want more quality games on the schedule. The question is this: does it even matter?

If one of the leading coaches in the game is calling for more quality games and saying that fans deserve better then doesn't it stand to reason that more fans will get the courage to demand better from their respective athletic departments? More coaches and ADs will feel pressure to succumb to the desires of the fans.

Let's say Saban is completely disingenuous with his commentary, all that has to happen is for others around the country to start walking the walk and Saban will be forced to follow suit eventually. Everyone wins.

I don't understand why fans are on this kick where they need to call out Saban or anyone else for hypocrisy. Don't we all want more quality games? Shouldn't we then be cheering him on?

The only way we're going to get better games is if we demand it. If fans are more preoccupied with who said what and why then the conversation loses steam and becomes counterproductive.

Only people who don't understand the nature of a competitor feel this way. Saban is a competitor. His teacher is a competitor. It is the nature of competitors to test themselves against the best. Competitors receive no self gratification from beating the weak.

Bear lived in the era where all of the top programs scheduled for beauty pageants. Saban grew up poor. He was undersized. He fought his way out and to the top, just like Bear. Only unlike Bear his mentor was an NFL coach and there's the difference. You line up and play the best of the best every week and win. You don't always beat them physically but you have to be able to endure 60 minutes of physical combat in order to use your preparation for advantage. For Saban it is all in the system. That is what his assistants learn if they are paying attention. The difference between Saban and his assistants is that Saban can identify those who are strong enough for 60 minutes and smart enough to stick to the plan. Most can't.

Saban welcomes 12 P games because he despises playing the weak and the financially disadvantaged and because deep down he detests beauty pageants and gaming the system. But there are too many of Bear's era who remember gaming the system like the other coaches did. He knows that if the rule is passed that his system will still prevail far more than those of his competitors because most can't discern those who can both play physical and smart.

So I don't buy this BS that Saban wants an easy path. What he wants is for everyone's path to get harder because that's where his edge is.

If we move to 12 P games look for Saban to want to up the scholarship limits. It's how you survive attrition. And without all of the G5 mouths to feed it will be easier to get the limit upped.
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(08-16-2019 01:04 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 12:05 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 04:40 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  My view? Saban doesn't really want what he is advocating. It's safe to state without pressure, accountability, and movement to do it. Just say, P5 or the SEC are responsible to make such happen. It's cover for whatever Saban (uh, the AD) decides to do within the parameters for their own scheduling.

I touched on this in my above post, but to be more precise I have a few other thoughts.

Let's say for sake of argument that you are 100% correct that Saban doesn't want more quality games on the schedule. The question is this: does it even matter?

If one of the leading coaches in the game is calling for more quality games and saying that fans deserve better then doesn't it stand to reason that more fans will get the courage to demand better from their respective athletic departments? More coaches and ADs will feel pressure to succumb to the desires of the fans.

Let's say Saban is completely disingenuous with his commentary, all that has to happen is for others around the country to start walking the walk and Saban will be forced to follow suit eventually. Everyone wins.

I don't understand why fans are on this kick where they need to call out Saban or anyone else for hypocrisy. Don't we all want more quality games? Shouldn't we then be cheering him on?

The only way we're going to get better games is if we demand it. If fans are more preoccupied with who said what and why then the conversation loses steam and becomes counterproductive.

Only people who don't understand the nature of a competitor feel this way. Saban is a competitor. His teacher is a competitor. It is the nature of competitors to test themselves against the best. Competitors receive no self gratification from beating the weak.

Bear lived in the era where all of the top programs scheduled for beauty pageants. Saban grew up poor. He was undersized. He fought his way out and to the top, just like Bear. Only unlike Bear his mentor was an NFL coach and there's the difference. You line up and play the best of the best every week and win. You don't always beat them physically but you have to be able to endure 60 minutes of physical combat in order to use your preparation for advantage. For Saban it is all in the system. That is what his assistants learn if they are paying attention. The difference between Saban and his assistants is that Saban can identify those who are strong enough for 60 minutes and smart enough to stick to the plan. Most can't.

Saban welcomes 12 P games because he despises playing the weak and the financially disadvantaged and because deep down he detests beauty pageants and gaming the system. But there are too many of Bear's era who remember gaming the system like the other coaches did. He knows that if the rule is passed that his system will still prevail far more than those of his competitors because most can't discern those who can both play physical and smart.

So I don't buy this BS that Saban wants an easy path. What he wants is for everyone's path to get harder because that's where his edge is.

If we move to 12 P games look for Saban to want to up the scholarship limits. It's how you survive attrition. And without all of the G5 mouths to feed it will be easier to get the limit upped.

I would wholeheartedly agree with upping the scholarship limits for several reasons...

1. If we have some of these smaller public and private schools close then there will be a glut of athletes. Might as well move some of these guys up the chain.

2. A lot of these G5 and FCS programs are built on the backs of players that would go elsewhere if the rules allowed them to. Some kids just want the playing time, true, but some would rather be at a bigger program or going to the same school where all their buddies from high school go.

In other words, the only reason some of these programs can be relatively competitive is because the rules don't allow Power schools to take full advantage of their resources.
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"Let's say Saban is completely disingenuous with his commentary, all that has to happen is for others around the country to start walking the walk and Saban will be forced to follow suit eventually."

Isn't this the core of differences of opinion here? Whose holding Saban back? Waiting for Ole Miss or Mississippi State to schedule 12 P5 games first, even if either had the passion to do so, is fantasy land. But if they had Alabama's recruits, boosters, cash, and ESPN/SECN's bestowed love, I say go for it!
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As usual, Nick Saban ignores the economic and political consequences of an all-P5 schedule.

Programs like Alabama and UGA make a lot of money off of home games. Are they willing to give up home game revenue (which they don't have to share) to boost the league TV revenue (which they do have to share)?

Are non-elite Power 5 programs willing to give up wins that they can count towards bowl eligibility?

And most importantly, if there were an all-P5 scheduling requirement are the Power 5 prepared for the non-Power 5 to stop scheduling P5 teams in non-revenue sports? That would make travel pretty costly.

Power 5s don't schedule non-P5s in football just out of generosity. There are economic reasons they do that that will need to go away before it will even be considered.
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(08-16-2019 12:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  As usual, Nick Saban ignores the economic and political consequences of an all-P5 schedule.

Programs like Alabama and UGA make a lot of money off of home games. Are they willing to give up home game revenue (which they don't have to share) to boost the league TV revenue (which they do have to share)?

Are non-elite Power 5 programs willing to give up wins that they can count towards bowl eligibility?

And most importantly, if there were an all-P5 scheduling requirement are the Power 5 prepared for the non-Power 5 to stop scheduling P5 teams in non-revenue sports? That would make travel pretty costly.

Power 5s don't schedule non-P5s in football just out of generosity. There are economic reasons they do that that will need to go away before it will even be considered.
They are going away. Bowls are peanuts compared to the CFP. Attendance for the FCS / G5 games is flagging much faster than against the majority of P competition.
And no home games will be lost. The likely course is that FCS/G5 games will become the single preseason game that replaces what is now a lightly monetized and lightly attended Spring game and will be played in mid to late August as the 7th home ticket on the season ticket book. All P5 means 6 home games and the preseason becomes everyone's 7th home game. If we continue to have neutral site games it will be because the pay for them exceeds home gate receipts.

There is a downsizing in higher ed that is underway. State and Federal funding will eventually be greatly reduced and reductions are underway. Georgia Southern will be fine, but truly smaller schools will not. There is a streamlining underway now to dedicate smaller schools to specific forms of education and to funnel most science and math students to the large state schools. The building of infrastructure is underway now to support this.

It's not a matter of "if" it is merely a matter now of "when".

Troy started as a teacher's college. It might well return to that function and if so it will survive and thrive because you may see education majors dropped from the large state schools to make room for more research areas.

So don't think doom & gloom unless you are a junior college employee or work for a small private. Think streamlining of existing resources and with it the state's will see their money better spent on sports programs of the largest schools and cutting sports down or eliminating them at the smaller ones.
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(08-16-2019 09:57 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  "Let's say Saban is completely disingenuous with his commentary, all that has to happen is for others around the country to start walking the walk and Saban will be forced to follow suit eventually."

Isn't this the core of differences of opinion here? Whose holding Saban back? Waiting for Ole Miss or Mississippi State to schedule 12 P5 games first, even if either had the passion to do so, is fantasy land. But if they had Alabama's recruits, boosters, cash, and ESPN/SECN's bestowed love, I say go for it!

I don't think you're getting my point.

It's not just Ole Miss or Mississippi State...it's virtually every program with a stake in winning a national title. The only ones scheduling 10 Power games right now are the ones with 9 conference games. They're only doing it because no one is going to go for a non-conference slate that doesn't include a decent opponent. The SEC has not moved to 9 just yet, but let's not pretend Alabama is the only school that has gone along with that.

A small sliver of schools are playing 11 and those teams aren't in real contention for a title. I'm sure you could find an exception to that rule, but the point is the country has not moved in this direction. So why does anyone want Saban to go there before most other schools?

Point being, why does it even matter what Saban does or doesn't want?

If everyone is worried about how Saban schedules then what we as fans should be doing is putting pressure on our respective ADs to schedule more quality games. I mean, it was only recently that some programs started scheduling 9 Power games on an annual basis. Arkansas, for example, doesn't have any Power schools in non-conference this year.

Who cares what Saban wants? Don't we all want more quality games?

If the only point of this exercise is to portray Saban as a hypocrite then what substance are we discussing here? Is it a matter that not everyone wants to play quality games and so they would just prefer Saban shut up about it? Is it a matter that all the top programs will simply eschew playing more opponents until Alabama does it because...by god...Alabama needs to be knocked down a peg?

What exactly are we talking about here?
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(08-16-2019 01:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  They are going away. Bowls are peanuts compared to the CFP. Attendance for the FCS / G5 games is flagging much faster than against the majority of P competition.
And no home games will be lost. The likely course is that FCS/G5 games will become the single preseason game that replaces what is now a lightly monetized and lightly attended Spring game and will be played in mid to late August as the 7th home ticket on the season ticket book. All P5 means 6 home games and the preseason becomes everyone's 7th home game. If we continue to have neutral site games it will be because the pay for them exceeds home gate receipts.

There is a downsizing in higher ed that is underway. State and Federal funding will eventually be greatly reduced and reductions are underway. Georgia Southern will be fine, but truly smaller schools will not. There is a streamlining underway now to dedicate smaller schools to specific forms of education and to funnel most science and math students to the large state schools. The building of infrastructure is underway now to support this.

It's not a matter of "if" it is merely a matter now of "when".

Troy started as a teacher's college. It might well return to that function and if so it will survive and thrive because you may see education majors dropped from the large state schools to make room for more research areas.

So don't think doom & gloom unless you are a junior college employee or work for a small private. Think streamlining of existing resources and with it the state's will see their money better spent on sports programs of the largest schools and cutting sports down or eliminating them at the smaller ones.

I'm not thinking gloom and doom, at least not for the G5. Most G5s don't really need the guarantee games to survive. But If you're going to require P5-only scheduling then the P5 might as well leave the NCAA and form their own governing organization. Otherwise you've basically got another lawsuit on the way. For now, payouts to G5 teams for games have only gone up, so I'm just not seeing that there's a need to change the business model.

And I don't know how you can possibly say there won't be fewer home games. If you replace two FCS or G5 guarantee games with pair of P5 games in a one-for-one, that's a net loss of one home game. That's just how the arithmetic works.
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(08-16-2019 02:28 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 01:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  They are going away. Bowls are peanuts compared to the CFP. Attendance for the FCS / G5 games is flagging much faster than against the majority of P competition.
And no home games will be lost. The likely course is that FCS/G5 games will become the single preseason game that replaces what is now a lightly monetized and lightly attended Spring game and will be played in mid to late August as the 7th home ticket on the season ticket book. All P5 means 6 home games and the preseason becomes everyone's 7th home game. If we continue to have neutral site games it will be because the pay for them exceeds home gate receipts.

There is a downsizing in higher ed that is underway. State and Federal funding will eventually be greatly reduced and reductions are underway. Georgia Southern will be fine, but truly smaller schools will not. There is a streamlining underway now to dedicate smaller schools to specific forms of education and to funnel most science and math students to the large state schools. The building of infrastructure is underway now to support this.

It's not a matter of "if" it is merely a matter now of "when".

Troy started as a teacher's college. It might well return to that function and if so it will survive and thrive because you may see education majors dropped from the large state schools to make room for more research areas.

So don't think doom & gloom unless you are a junior college employee or work for a small private. Think streamlining of existing resources and with it the state's will see their money better spent on sports programs of the largest schools and cutting sports down or eliminating them at the smaller ones.

I'm not thinking gloom and doom, at least not for the G5. Most G5s don't really need the guarantee games to survive. But If you're going to require P5-only scheduling then the P5 might as well leave the NCAA and form their own governing organization. Otherwise you've basically got another lawsuit on the way. For now, payouts to G5 teams for games have only gone up, so I'm just not seeing that there's a need to change the business model.

And I don't know how you can possibly say there won't be fewer home games. If you replace two FCS or G5 guarantee games with pair of P5 games in a one-for-one, that's a net loss of one home game. That's just how the arithmetic works.

The NCAA has precious little control over football now and that is thanks to a lawsuit, OU/UGa vs NCAA from the early 80's. Getting basketball out of their clutches is the next step and a new governing structure is not out of the question.
and for those precious lawsuit threats as long as there is some room for upward mobility then that is not an issue. Guidelines and requirements for application is all that is needed.

And I suggest you learn math. A pre season game sold as the 7th home game with a split schedule of 6 home and 6 away P games is still 7 home games.
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You play all P5 schools and the playoff begins week 1 of the regular season. I like the sound of that. Much better process of elimination than what we currently have.

Now figuring out how to have one "czar" to schedule all these games to attempt to balance things. NFL schedules different conference divisions against each other ever year. Schedule different conferences against one another every year? Sort of like the BIG/PAC alliance that failed but rotate all conferences.

It's almost time for the greatest season in all of sport!
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(08-16-2019 01:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 09:57 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  "Let's say Saban is completely disingenuous with his commentary, all that has to happen is for others around the country to start walking the walk and Saban will be forced to follow suit eventually."

Isn't this the core of differences of opinion here? Whose holding Saban back? Waiting for Ole Miss or Mississippi State to schedule 12 P5 games first, even if either had the passion to do so, is fantasy land. But if they had Alabama's recruits, boosters, cash, and ESPN/SECN's bestowed love, I say go for it!

I don't think you're getting my point.

It's not just Ole Miss or Mississippi State...it's virtually every program with a stake in winning a national title. The only ones scheduling 10 Power games right now are the ones with 9 conference games. They're only doing it because no one is going to go for a non-conference slate that doesn't include a decent opponent. The SEC has not moved to 9 just yet, but let's not pretend Alabama is the only school that has gone along with that.

A small sliver of schools are playing 11 and those teams aren't in real contention for a title. I'm sure you could find an exception to that rule, but the point is the country has not moved in this direction. So why does anyone want Saban to go there before most other schools?

Point being, why does it even matter what Saban does or doesn't want?

If everyone is worried about how Saban schedules then what we as fans should be doing is putting pressure on our respective ADs to schedule more quality games. I mean, it was only recently that some programs started scheduling 9 Power games on an annual basis. Arkansas, for example, doesn't have any Power schools in non-conference this year.

Who cares what Saban wants? Don't we all want more quality games?

If the only point of this exercise is to portray Saban as a hypocrite then what substance are we discussing here? Is it a matter that not everyone wants to play quality games and so they would just prefer Saban shut up about it? Is it a matter that all the top programs will simply eschew playing more opponents until Alabama does it because...by god...Alabama needs to be knocked down a peg?

What exactly are we talking about here?

Saban somewhat aside, I believe the SEC could go 10 P5 games. They are not really enforcing the 9 P5 strictly. They've made exceptions, and have accommodated independents as ooc counts. Do 10, and then allow 2 ooc picks as to whomever they choose to play (within reasonable parameters of course). There may have to be a conference(s) to get there using the 'challenge' method, similar to what has been done in bb.

Reacting to soapbox utterances by Saban, does not suggest disrespect for Alabama's success and capabilities. I understand the high esteem he holds with the fan base. I've blasted coaches mostly of schools I have attended or most enthusiastically support.
I don't want Alabama knocked down a peg based on anything outside of selective athletic competition. I just want to see, with some surprise, Georgia, South Carolina, or Mississippi State beat them on the football field, basketball court, or on the baseball diamond. Yeah, some dreaming with that.

Alabama can beat Auburn all they want. I say that just to agitate JR, but only for a Friday afternoon.
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(08-16-2019 03:05 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 01:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 09:57 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  "Let's say Saban is completely disingenuous with his commentary, all that has to happen is for others around the country to start walking the walk and Saban will be forced to follow suit eventually."

Isn't this the core of differences of opinion here? Whose holding Saban back? Waiting for Ole Miss or Mississippi State to schedule 12 P5 games first, even if either had the passion to do so, is fantasy land. But if they had Alabama's recruits, boosters, cash, and ESPN/SECN's bestowed love, I say go for it!

I don't think you're getting my point.

It's not just Ole Miss or Mississippi State...it's virtually every program with a stake in winning a national title. The only ones scheduling 10 Power games right now are the ones with 9 conference games. They're only doing it because no one is going to go for a non-conference slate that doesn't include a decent opponent. The SEC has not moved to 9 just yet, but let's not pretend Alabama is the only school that has gone along with that.

A small sliver of schools are playing 11 and those teams aren't in real contention for a title. I'm sure you could find an exception to that rule, but the point is the country has not moved in this direction. So why does anyone want Saban to go there before most other schools?

Point being, why does it even matter what Saban does or doesn't want?

If everyone is worried about how Saban schedules then what we as fans should be doing is putting pressure on our respective ADs to schedule more quality games. I mean, it was only recently that some programs started scheduling 9 Power games on an annual basis. Arkansas, for example, doesn't have any Power schools in non-conference this year.

Who cares what Saban wants? Don't we all want more quality games?

If the only point of this exercise is to portray Saban as a hypocrite then what substance are we discussing here? Is it a matter that not everyone wants to play quality games and so they would just prefer Saban shut up about it? Is it a matter that all the top programs will simply eschew playing more opponents until Alabama does it because...by god...Alabama needs to be knocked down a peg?

What exactly are we talking about here?

Saban somewhat aside, I believe the SEC could go 10 P5 games. They are not really enforcing the 9 P5 strictly. They've made exceptions, and have accommodated independents as ooc counts. Do 10, and then allow 2 ooc picks as to whomever they choose to play (within reasonable parameters of course). There may have to be a conference(s) to get there using the 'challenge' method, similar to what has been done in bb.

Reacting to soapbox utterances by Saban, does not suggest disrespect for Alabama's success and capabilities. I understand the high esteem he holds with the fan base. I've blasted coaches mostly of schools I have attended or most enthusiastically support.
I don't want Alabama knocked down a peg based on anything outside of selective athletic competition. I just want to see, with some surprise, Georgia, South Carolina, or Mississippi State beat them on the football field, basketball court, or on the baseball diamond. Yeah, some dreaming with that.

Alabama can beat Auburn all they want. I say that just to agitate JR, but only for a Friday afternoon.

As with everything in life if you want to beat them you'll have to earn it. Parity is a fairy tale that losers like to recite. But the world doesn't operate that way and never has. In the world to become the alpha you have to beat the alpha.
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(08-16-2019 02:55 PM)cubucks Wrote:  You play all P5 schools and the playoff begins week 1 of the regular season. I like the sound of that. Much better process of elimination than what we currently have.

Now figuring out how to have one "czar" to schedule all these games to attempt to balance things. NFL schedules different conference divisions against each other ever year. Schedule different conferences against one another every year? Sort of like the BIG/PAC alliance that failed but rotate all conferences.

It's almost time for the greatest season in all of sport!

The thing about balancing schedules is that it will be very difficult unless we get rid of conferences. I suppose that's possible if a FAANG company can radically alter the pay model, but I don't think conferences will go away anytime soon.

That being the case, I like the idea of expanding the CFP to 8 and guaranteeing a spot for each P5 conference winner. Beyond that, the other 3 teams can be wildcards. If we're all playing 12 P5 games then I think paring everything down to 8 for a shot at the national title is a reasonable number given all the circumstances.

But yeah, I'm ready for some football!
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(08-16-2019 06:01 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 02:55 PM)cubucks Wrote:  You play all P5 schools and the playoff begins week 1 of the regular season. I like the sound of that. Much better process of elimination than what we currently have.

Now figuring out how to have one "czar" to schedule all these games to attempt to balance things. NFL schedules different conference divisions against each other ever year. Schedule different conferences against one another every year? Sort of like the BIG/PAC alliance that failed but rotate all conferences.

It's almost time for the greatest season in all of sport!

The thing about balancing schedules is that it will be very difficult unless we get rid of conferences. I suppose that's possible if a FAANG company can radically alter the pay model, but I don't think conferences will go away anytime soon.

That being the case, I like the idea of expanding the CFP to 8 and guaranteeing a spot for each P5 conference winner. Beyond that, the other 3 teams can be wildcards. If we're all playing 12 P5 games then I think paring everything down to 8 for a shot at the national title is a reasonable number given all the circumstances.

But yeah, I'm ready for some football!

Well I don't think the FAANGS are going to get involved. Dennis Dodds had a statement today that the Big 10 would be earning 60 million by 2025 and nearly 70 million by 2030. Since their current contract expires in 2024 I am assuming this means they have extended it's contracts with FOX / ESPN / and CBS for basketball until the 2032 season.

I'm glad they did it because that gives our neophyte commissioner a bona fide number to shoot for. If we took the CBS offer of 250 million for T1 now next year we would be at 57. If we insist on escalators then by 2025 we would easily be making 60 plus.

So two things of note here:
1. The FAANGS weren't in on the B1G extension.

2. The extension came before any realignment.

If true what I figure drove this is the Big 10's awareness that the next FOX deal wouldn't be as good and the looming downturn due to loss of Boomers by 2035. Delaney must have thought the peak was being reached in rights and he wanted to extend before market trends really began to erode the numbers.

And if so it makes me think that the SEC will wrap up theirs pretty soon now. And as I said we know what numbers to shoot for.

https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-fo...s-by-2025/

Then click the B1G icon in the row of icons at the top of the page and scroll down until you find the article title.
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(08-16-2019 06:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 06:01 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 02:55 PM)cubucks Wrote:  You play all P5 schools and the playoff begins week 1 of the regular season. I like the sound of that. Much better process of elimination than what we currently have.

Now figuring out how to have one "czar" to schedule all these games to attempt to balance things. NFL schedules different conference divisions against each other ever year. Schedule different conferences against one another every year? Sort of like the BIG/PAC alliance that failed but rotate all conferences.

It's almost time for the greatest season in all of sport!

The thing about balancing schedules is that it will be very difficult unless we get rid of conferences. I suppose that's possible if a FAANG company can radically alter the pay model, but I don't think conferences will go away anytime soon.

That being the case, I like the idea of expanding the CFP to 8 and guaranteeing a spot for each P5 conference winner. Beyond that, the other 3 teams can be wildcards. If we're all playing 12 P5 games then I think paring everything down to 8 for a shot at the national title is a reasonable number given all the circumstances.

But yeah, I'm ready for some football!

Well I don't think the FAANGS are going to get involved. Dennis Dodds had a statement today that the Big 10 would be earning 60 million by 2025 and nearly 70 million by 2030. Since their current contract expires in 2024 I am assuming this means they have extended it's contracts with FOX / ESPN / and CBS for basketball until the 2032 season.

I'm glad they did it because that gives our neophyte commissioner a bona fide number to shoot for. If we took the CBS offer of 250 million for T1 now next year we would be at 57. If we insist on escalators then by 2025 we would easily be making 60 plus.

So two things of note here:
1. The FAANGS weren't in on the B1G extension.

2. The extension came before any realignment.

If true what I figure drove this is the Big 10's awareness that the next FOX deal wouldn't be as good and the looming downturn due to loss of Boomers by 2035. Delaney must have thought the peak was being reached in rights and he wanted to extend before market trends really began to erode the numbers.

And if so it makes me think that the SEC will wrap up theirs pretty soon now. And as I said we know what numbers to shoot for.

https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-fo...s-by-2025/

Then click the B1G icon in the row of icons at the top of the page and scroll down until you find the article title.

I went looking for something from Dodds. This was his tweet:

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Per a February report, @bigten teams will surpass the $60 million mark (per school) in media rights revenue in 2025. By 2029, that figure will be almost $70 million. In 2027, Rutgers will get its first full share as a
@bigten member -- $65.238 million.

1:19 PM · Aug 15, 2019

I'm going to keep looking around and see if I can piece together some more details.
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Florida/Miami schedule a home and home for 2024-2025. Along with their home and homes with Colorado and Texas it looks like they are setting up for 10 P5 games going forward
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