this board became a bore after the hybrid BE expanded. it wasn't even a done deal and several fans of the soon to be FB teams tried to take over and trashtalk the C7. it was primarily two fan bases, but there was more that contributed.

(08-10-2019 05:29 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  this board became a bore after the hybrid BE expanded. it wasn't even a done deal and several fans of the soon to be FB teams tried to take over and trashtalk the C7. it was primarily two fan bases, but there was more that contributed.

Well hopefully you can help get it active again.

(08-10-2019 05:29 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  this board became a bore after the hybrid BE expanded. it wasn't even a done deal and several fans of the soon to be FB teams tried to take over and trashtalk the C7. it was primarily two fan bases, but there was more that contributed.

Oh, I remember. Certain posters from the "new" football schools would criticize the C7 for being a drain in payouts for the value of the conference, yet mocked the same group for departing to seek better value for its basketball product. I remember some of the topics started that were centered around the premise that Temple, UCF, Memphis, Houston, SMU and Tulane (ECU was only a football-only addition at that point) were equal to in value, and had more potential than, the C7.

The C7 being referred to as the "Little Sisters of the Poor Conference", the "CYO" and the "Judas 7" was common vernacular on the boards at the time, and it was repeatedly emphasized that the C7 would be no better than the Atlantic-10, with no possible way that it could still be considered a top basketball conference.

The icing on the cake was that the new additions to this Big East, the football schools, started clamoring that they were more entitled and deserving to the Big East name and brand than the Catholic schools were, and that the brand had more value for the football schools. When the C7 got the name, it was funny how quickly that tune changed (i.e. the Big East is a failed brand, will never again be a recognized power league, NBE, etc.).

In retrospect, UConn's departure from the AAC was a lot of the same views. When UConn was in the AAC, the "AAC had a bright future" that was "anchored by a power basketball program that can compete for national championships". Despite football struggling, it still was a "national brand" and synonymous with a power conference. As soon as UConn announced it was leaving, it quickly switched to: "UConn is no longer a power brand or a power basketball program", "Good riddance, they were a leach anyway (*same comparison used against C7)" and "the AAC will be better and more competitive without UConn".

(08-11-2019 03:46 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(08-10-2019 05:29 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  this board became a bore after the hybrid BE expanded. it wasn't even a done deal and several fans of the soon to be FB teams tried to take over and trashtalk the C7. it was primarily two fan bases, but there was more that contributed.

Oh, I remember. Certain posters from the "new" football schools would criticize the C7 for being a drain in payouts for the value of the conference, yet mocked the same group for departing to seek better value for its basketball product. I remember some of the topics started that were centered around the premise that Temple, UCF, Memphis, Houston, SMU and Tulane (ECU was only a football-only addition at that point) were equal to in value, and had more potential than, the C7.

The C7 being referred to as the "Little Sisters of the Poor Conference", the "CYO" and the "Judas 7" was common vernacular on the boards at the time, and it was repeatedly emphasized that the C7 would be no better than the Atlantic-10, with no possible way that it could still be considered a top basketball conference.

The icing on the cake was that the new additions to this Big East, the football schools, started clamoring that they were more entitled and deserving to the Big East name and brand than the Catholic schools were, and that the brand had more value for the football schools. When the C7 got the name, it was funny how quickly that tune changed (i.e. the Big East is a failed brand, will never again be a recognized power league, NBE, etc.).

In retrospect, UConn's departure from the AAC was a lot of the same views. When UConn was in the AAC, the "AAC had a bright future" that was "anchored by a power basketball program that can compete for national championships". Despite football struggling, it still was a "national brand" and synonymous with a power conference. As soon as UConn announced it was leaving, it quickly switched to: "UConn is no longer a power brand or a power basketball program", "Good riddance, they were a leach anyway (*same comparison used against C7)" and "the AAC will be better and more competitive without UConn".

It's important to note that there are many AAC followers (I'm one) who were not hypocritical like the people you correctly and fairly criticize. I don't know if you follow/support the Big East only. But if you do, you might be a bit apt to emphasize the absurdity of the AAC fans who have taken this approach (I likely find it more distasteful than you do) while less likely to praise those who have been consistent throughout. As I see it, it was great for the AAC to have UConn and it's a blow to lose them. I've seen multiple pro-American posters on this board note this. I just think it's important for me to recognize these folks too if I'm going to be critical of the type fans you note (which I have been in a few previous posts on the AAC and Memphis boards).

What you highlight as a valid criticism of many AAC posters is commonplace among many "fans." They are blinded by their loyalty and, as such, sometimes talk (and make message board posts) that are laughable. It's the nature of being a fan. And it's one reason that 1. I am not a "fan" of any one conference and 2. my "fanship/supportership" of various universities and their athletic programs is done via a very unconventional manner.

I've seen idiocy from fans of many teams and many conferences. In fact, I've acted like an idiot in the past. Those days are behind me. I charge forward free of "blind loyalty." I will criticize those fans who support the teams I like yet act like fools more so than those who support the many college programs I do not.

The folks you are correctly scoffing at are, sadly, too common in our society. They are called apologists (some use the term "homer") and we see them most regarding sports and politics.

I don't/didn't wish that the AAC will/would fail. Being called leeches by the likes of fans from ECU and Memphis certainly challenged that There would not have been a BE had it not been for Providence. 5 of the founding 7 were Catholic 6 of 8 if you count Villanova which agreed to join the BE when 1st proposed but wanted to hold off a year

of course it wasn't all fans from those schools but the ones that criticized the non fb schools were very vocal

water under the bridge. I am all for getting this board active again. I enjoyed the banter we had when the FB schools (original ha ha) were still around. I sot of miss some of the posters from WVU, Cuse and even UConn! shot fired!

(08-12-2019 08:03 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  I don't/didn't wish that the AAC will/would fail. Being called leeches by the likes of fans from ECU and Memphis certainly challenged that There would not have been a BE had it not been for Providence. 5 of the founding 7 were Catholic 6 of 8 if you count Villanova which agreed to join the BE when 1st proposed but wanted to hold off a year

of course it wasn't all fans from those schools but the ones that criticized the non fb schools were very vocal

water under the bridge. I am all for getting this board active again. I enjoyed the banter we had when the FB schools (original ha ha) were still around. I sot of miss some of the posters from WVU, Cuse and even UConn! shot fired!

I've been reading this board since about 2014 and feel that most Big East posters have been respectful of the AAC over the years. There are a few that feel the need to, perhaps more than is necessary, note the BE is better. And I see that (to an extent) as a sign of insecurity. Now these posters might note that flame-throwing AACers are forcing them to stand up for the Big East. So I kind of see that, to be fair.

In contrast, some AAC fans are concerned now because the gap between BE and American hoops could move from solid to rather noticeable. As such, some of them have gotten defensive and hypocritical. But a decent number have been cordial and realistic.

Since I'm not a fan (in the general sense) of either conference and since I follow two teams in each league (and want all four to do well), I try to take a measured and understated approach to my posting about this topic.

I always enjoyed the days of C-USA with Cincy, DePaul, Louisville, Marquette and Memphis, so I want to keep it "clean and respectful."

Bill is a liarface and one of the biggest homers/fanboys on CSNBBS. She try to act above everyone else, but is the absolute WORST offender. It's unfortunate, really.

(08-12-2019 09:46 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Bill is a liarface and one of the biggest homers/fanboys on CSNBBS. She try to act above everyone else, but is the absolute WORST offender. It's unfortunate, really.

It has begun.

(08-12-2019 09:46 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Bill is a liarface and one of the biggest homers/fanboys on CSNBBS. She try to act above everyone else, but is the absolute WORST offender. It's unfortunate, really.

Motivated by HuskyU’s kind words, I shall arrive at the office Wednesday morning dressed like a lady and refer to myself as Willamena “Liarface” Dazzlemont. Politely so, I will ask that my co-workers characterize me throughout the day as a “homer” and a “fanboy” (oh, wait a minute, … should that not be a “homerette” and a “fan lady”?)

I have to say, I'm coming to really like the Big East board recently. Obviously there is a history of bad sportsmanship going back to the realignment times, but y'all are one of the more even-keeled boards in recent times, so it's nice to observe fans (mostly) at peace.

I'll admit, I can be inflammatory in my own posts on Liberty's & A-Sun boards, but that's from being passionate about seeing Liberty set-up for success. Enjoy sharing one sport with y'all, & I look forward to seeing what's to come for y'all.

Godspeed!

(08-15-2019 11:16 AM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  I have to say, I'm coming to really like the Big East board recently. Obviously there is a history of bad sportsmanship going back to the realignment times, but y'all are one of the more even-keeled boards in recent times, so it's nice to observe fans (mostly) at peace.

I'll admit, I can be inflammatory in my own posts on Liberty's & A-Sun boards, but that's from being passionate about seeing Liberty set-up for success. Enjoy sharing one sport with y'all, & I look forward to seeing what's to come for y'all.

Godspeed!

Liberty to the Big East.

(08-15-2019 03:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Liberty to the Big East.

Maybe in the future, but we have more to prove. The Big East would be a great home for our Olympic Sports, but we have to do more in basketball in order to bring in some value. Nonetheless, I do respect the institutions in the Big East and would like to be a travelling partner with Georgetown.

(08-15-2019 11:16 AM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  I have to say, I'm coming to really like the Big East board recently. Obviously there is a history of bad sportsmanship going back to the realignment times, but y'all are one of the more even-keeled boards in recent times, so it's nice to observe fans (mostly) at peace.

I'll admit, I can be inflammatory in my own posts on Liberty's & A-Sun boards, but that's from being passionate about seeing Liberty set-up for success. Enjoy sharing one sport with y'all, & I look forward to seeing what's to come for y'all.

Godspeed!

Well, I'm guessing we'll be playing you in football more or less annually in the near future, so there's that.

(08-10-2019 08:00 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(08-10-2019 05:29 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  this board became a bore after the hybrid BE expanded. it wasn't even a done deal and several fans of the soon to be FB teams tried to take over and trashtalk the C7. it was primarily two fan bases, but there was more that contributed.

Well hopefully you can help get it active again.

Just toss out a thread about how the BE should invite Liberty to the conference. That's a guarantee that board activity will pick up immensely. The howls will begin and expect a 80/20 against/for ratio of response. SunBelt threads were humming with the LU discussion when LU was begging, and willing to pay handsomely to get a SBC invite and the SBC said no. And it ended up with LU being in a stronger position as an indy vs. a member of the SBC.

Well, if VCU is considered the third - at best - program in Virginia (behind Virginia at Virginia Tech, respectively), which would theoretically hurt their candidacy, I have to imagine that Liberty would, even more so, be negatively affected by that perception. VCU is clearly a better basketball program, not to mention higher academic institution, so if they would be eliminated, it cannot bode well for the prospects for Liberty.

c'mon GW11... NewTimes was not seriously throwing Liberty out there... just saying Liberty evokes strong reactions and would increase board traffic.

funny though, Liberty can claim to be a Big East member. whatever reservations there might be about liberty, the BE presidents apparently are fine with them as an associate for field hockey.

(08-19-2019 06:45 PM)trephin Wrote:  c'mon GW11... NewTimes was not seriously throwing Liberty out there... just saying Liberty evokes strong reactions and would increase board traffic.

funny though, Liberty can claim to be a Big East member. whatever reservations there might be about liberty, the BE presidents apparently are fine with them as an associate for field hockey.

It is interesting that LU is a BE member in field hockey. A low profile sport where likely the emphasis is meeting scheduling demands rather than school perception. Moving to FB and basketball, that's a different animal. LU fans are anxious for the Olympic sports to relocate to a higher profile conference. If LU can become a stable and improving FB program and continue to evolve its men's basketball program, it's appeal will increase. For better or worse, things are on the upswing for LU, not necessarily within the BE, but certainly as a program.

(08-20-2019 06:52 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 06:45 PM)trephin Wrote:  c'mon GW11... NewTimes was not seriously throwing Liberty out there... just saying Liberty evokes strong reactions and would increase board traffic.

funny though, Liberty can claim to be a Big East member. whatever reservations there might be about liberty, the BE presidents apparently are fine with them as an associate for field hockey.

It is interesting that LU is a BE member in field hockey. A low profile sport where likely the emphasis is meeting scheduling demands rather than school perception. Moving to FB and basketball, that's a different animal. LU fans are anxious for the Olympic sports to relocate to a higher profile conference. If LU can become a stable and improving FB program and continue to evolve its men's basketball program, it's appeal will increase. For better or worse, things are on the upswing for LU, not necessarily within the BE, but certainly as a program.

No chance LU ever gets added. Only reason a FBS school was added is because there was a preexisting relationship with UConn. They are not going back to having multiple agendas within the conference.