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LIU and UMKC
Both use their rec centers for basketball arenas .
LIU it looks pretty good on TV watching the conference tournament games there 2500 capacity. UMKC not sure they moved games there to save money only 1500 capacity. My kid plays travel basketball at the Myrtle Beach sports arena. Basically eight basketball courts with seating for parents at each court. They can roll large bleachers into place for 2,000 for a big game.The M.B. arena host fifteen million visitors for basketball , volleyball , Cheer and gymnastic competitions its not a traditional arena.

So my question is are there any other programs like LIU with a similar setup .
With newer more flexible bleacher systems some schools with bad basketball facilities could go this route.
Easier to fund raise for arena/ rec center and add practice court for basketball. Than to build a dedicated arena for athletics.
Maybe Sacramento St could use their rec center and convert basketball gym to practice only court.
Might increase attendance since students already frequent the building.
Good temporary bleachers might be an improvement .
Concession and areas can be used more often .
Never been to either LIU 2500 seat rec/arena Sac St nest 1012 capacity.
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(08-03-2019 10:30 AM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Both use their rec centers for basketball arenas .
LIU it looks pretty good on TV watching the conference tournament games there 2500 capacity. UMKC not sure they moved games there to save money only 1500 capacity. My kid plays travel basketball at the Myrtle Beach sports arena. Basically eight basketball courts with seating for parents at each court. They can roll large bleachers into place for 2,000 for a big game.The M.B. arena host fifteen million visitors for basketball , volleyball , Cheer and gymnastic competitions its not a traditional arena.

So my question is are there any other programs like LIU with a similar setup .
With newer more flexible bleacher systems some schools with bad basketball facilities could go this route.
Easier to fund raise for arena/ rec center and add practice court for basketball. Than to build a dedicated arena for athletics.
Maybe Sacramento St could use their rec center and convert basketball gym to practice only court.
Might increase attendance since students already frequent the building.
Good temporary bleachers might be an improvement .
Concession and areas can be used more often .
Never been to either LIU 2500 seat rec/arena Sac St nest 1012 capacity.


The nest is a dump, went to several games there. Sac will never reach their potential as long as they play there.


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(08-03-2019 10:30 AM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Both use their rec centers for basketball arenas .
LIU it looks pretty good on TV watching the conference tournament games there 2500 capacity. UMKC not sure they moved games there to save money only 1500 capacity. My kid plays travel basketball at the Myrtle Beach sports arena. Basically eight basketball courts with seating for parents at each court. They can roll large bleachers into place for 2,000 for a big game.The M.B. arena host fifteen million visitors for basketball , volleyball , Cheer and gymnastic competitions its not a traditional arena.

So my question is are there any other programs like LIU with a similar setup .
With newer more flexible bleacher systems some schools with bad basketball facilities could go this route.
Easier to fund raise for arena/ rec center and add practice court for basketball. Than to build a dedicated arena for athletics.
Maybe Sacramento St could use their rec center and convert basketball gym to practice only court.
Might increase attendance since students already frequent the building.
Good temporary bleachers might be an improvement .
Concession and areas can be used more often .
Never been to either LIU 2500 seat rec/arena Sac St nest 1012 capacity.

Here are a couple from the Southland Conference.

The new Health and Human Performance Education Complex at McNeese State looks like it has functionality similar to LIU's facility. The complex opened last year. At a $41 million cost, I don't believe it was built to save costs. It did get the Cowboys and Cowgirls back on campus, though. The teams had used the Lake Charles Civic Center (3.5 miles from campus) and then Burton Coliseum (2.5 miles from campus) since the '70's and '80's. The complex includes a main arena which seats 3,800 for basketball. A separate arena seats 600 for volleyball. Classrooms, offices, and training facilities are also included in the building. Here's a link from one of the lead architect's site.

https://www.crawfordarch.com/portfolio/h...-building/

Although Texas A&M-Corpus Christi men's basketball team plays most of its home games and the women's team plays some home games at off campus American Bank Center in downtown Corpus Christi and 8.7 miles from campus, the Islanders also have home games at the on-campus Dugan Wellness Center.

https://goislanders.com/sports/2016/8/24...spx?id=170
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(08-03-2019 12:56 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  
(08-03-2019 10:30 AM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Both use their rec centers for basketball arenas .
LIU it looks pretty good on TV watching the conference tournament games there 2500 capacity. UMKC not sure they moved games there to save money only 1500 capacity. My kid plays travel basketball at the Myrtle Beach sports arena. Basically eight basketball courts with seating for parents at each court. They can roll large bleachers into place for 2,000 for a big game.The M.B. arena host fifteen million visitors for basketball , volleyball , Cheer and gymnastic competitions its not a traditional arena.

So my question is are there any other programs like LIU with a similar setup .
With newer more flexible bleacher systems some schools with bad basketball facilities could go this route.
Easier to fund raise for arena/ rec center and add practice court for basketball. Than to build a dedicated arena for athletics.
Maybe Sacramento St could use their rec center and convert basketball gym to practice only court.
Might increase attendance since students already frequent the building.
Good temporary bleachers might be an improvement .
Concession and areas can be used more often .
Never been to either LIU 2500 seat rec/arena Sac St nest 1012 capacity.

Here are a couple from the Southland Conference.

The new Health and Human Performance Education Complex at McNeese State looks like it has functionality similar to LIU's facility. The complex opened last year. At a $41 million cost, I don't believe it was built to save costs. It did get the Cowboys and Cowgirls back on campus, though. The teams had used the Lake Charles Civic Center (3.5 miles from campus) and then Burton Coliseum (2.5 miles from campus) since the '70's and '80's. The complex includes a main arena which seats 3,800 for basketball. A separate arena seats 600 for volleyball. Classrooms, offices, and training facilities are also included in the building. Here's a link from one of the lead architect's site.

https://www.crawfordarch.com/portfolio/h...-building/

Although Texas A&M-Corpus Christi men's basketball team plays most of its home games and the women's team plays some home games at off campus American Bank Center in downtown Corpus Christi and 8.7 miles from campus, the Islanders also have home games at the on-campus Dugan Wellness Center.

https://goislanders.com/sports/2016/8/24...spx?id=170

There's no reason to expect a school with a $12 million athletic budget and less than $3 million in actual annual revenue to have a big-time basketball arena. In fact, it would be crazy if they did have one.
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(08-03-2019 12:56 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  
(08-03-2019 10:30 AM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Both use their rec centers for basketball arenas .
LIU it looks pretty good on TV watching the conference tournament games there 2500 capacity. UMKC not sure they moved games there to save money only 1500 capacity. My kid plays travel basketball at the Myrtle Beach sports arena. Basically eight basketball courts with seating for parents at each court. They can roll large bleachers into place for 2,000 for a big game.The M.B. arena host fifteen million visitors for basketball , volleyball , Cheer and gymnastic competitions its not a traditional arena.

So my question is are there any other programs like LIU with a similar setup .
With newer more flexible bleacher systems some schools with bad basketball facilities could go this route.
Easier to fund raise for arena/ rec center and add practice court for basketball. Than to build a dedicated arena for athletics.
Maybe Sacramento St could use their rec center and convert basketball gym to practice only court.
Might increase attendance since students already frequent the building.
Good temporary bleachers might be an improvement .
Concession and areas can be used more often .
Never been to either LIU 2500 seat rec/arena Sac St nest 1012 capacity.

Here are a couple from the Southland Conference.

The new Health and Human Performance Education Complex at McNeese State looks like it has functionality similar to LIU's facility. The complex opened last year. At a $41 million cost, I don't believe it was built to save costs. It did get the Cowboys and Cowgirls back on campus, though. The teams had used the Lake Charles Civic Center (3.5 miles from campus) and then Burton Coliseum (2.5 miles from campus) since the '70's and '80's. The complex includes a main arena which seats 3,800 for basketball. A separate arena seats 600 for volleyball. Classrooms, offices, and training facilities are also included in the building. Here's a link from one of the lead architect's site.

https://www.crawfordarch.com/portfolio/h...-building/

Although Texas A&M-Corpus Christi men's basketball team plays most of its home games and the women's team plays some home games at off campus American Bank Center in downtown Corpus Christi and 8.7 miles from campus, the Islanders also have home games at the on-campus Dugan Wellness Center.

https://goislanders.com/sports/2016/8/24...spx?id=170
I watched a conference tournament game there on TV a few years ago.
Seemed like LIU has a good game day atmosphere .
How do LIU fans like it and is there any benefit to having the games at the rec center?
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LIU has very rich ancient history that its administration seems determined to kill by retiring the Blackbirds’ nickname.
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(08-03-2019 01:46 PM)Wedge Wrote:  There's no reason to expect a school with a $12 million athletic budget and less than $3 million in actual annual revenue to have a big-time basketball arena. In fact, it would be crazy if they did have one.

I am going to make a wild speculation: UMKC will have an arena within 10 years.

I look at the drive to get an arena a UNOmaha as an example. Technically UNO didn't need the arena for its sports programs; they were playing hockey at CHI arena downtown & basketball at the Ralston arena nearby (both very nice, new facilities). UNO wanted an arena because they don't want to be simply an urban branch campus commuter college. The arena allows for university functions, like graduations and the visit of President Obama. In fact I was told by a UNO employee that the arena is at times overbooked by university functions.

How will UMKC pay for it? UNO's was a private/public deal where some extra acres were sold/leased to developers. Basically the developers paid half the cost of the arena. UMKC's campus footprint is tight, but there are some surface lots and underutilized buildings that could be used.

UMKC will get an arena, not for basketball, but for their growth as a university (but the basketball teams will get to use it). I wouldn't be surprised if UMKC's AD & President haven't already had a conversation with someone at UNO. Certainly Summit League trips to Omaha will help those conversations.
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Davenport U uses a recreation center for basketball it was designed in .
Does not look to bad for an NAIA program.
Coastal has their rec center attached to the 3200 seat arena.
UMKC is spending 2 million on branding at Swinney rec center/athletic center.
If they could add portable baseline seating for 2500 it could work for a while.
An arena on campus would be a lot better eventually.
Building up the fan base at the rec center.

LIU seems to do it the best .
It makes sense to attach an arena or even use the recreation center courts in some cases.
The students already go to the recreation center probably a lot of the ones interested in sports.
The bleachers at the Myrtle beach sports arena do not even attach to the wall. They roll out and are placed in the middle court.
I bet you could place a game day court in the middle on top of the double courts most rec centers have . And place bleachers on all four sides with a little work.
Putting the court together and using arena style goals.
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(08-04-2019 01:01 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote:  
(08-03-2019 01:46 PM)Wedge Wrote:  There's no reason to expect a school with a $12 million athletic budget and less than $3 million in actual annual revenue to have a big-time basketball arena. In fact, it would be crazy if they did have one.

I am going to make a wild speculation: UMKC will have an arena within 10 years.

I look at the drive to get an arena a UNOmaha as an example. Technically UNO didn't need the arena for its sports programs; they were playing hockey at CHI arena downtown & basketball at the Ralston arena nearby (both very nice, new facilities). UNO wanted an arena because they don't want to be simply an urban branch campus commuter college. The arena allows for university functions, like graduations and the visit of President Obama. In fact I was told by a UNO employee that the arena is at times overbooked by university functions.

How will UMKC pay for it? UNO's was a private/public deal where some extra acres were sold/leased to developers. Basically the developers paid half the cost of the arena. UMKC's campus footprint is tight, but there are some surface lots and underutilized buildings that could be used.

UMKC will get an arena, not for basketball, but for their growth as a university (but the basketball teams will get to use it). I wouldn't be surprised if UMKC's AD & President haven't already had a conversation with someone at UNO. Certainly Summit League trips to Omaha will help those conversations.

I don't see it because UMKC is in the wrong part of KC for an arena that size. Also trouble is it would have to be on the Missouri side. The better suburbs for an arena would be on the Kansas side, since the Missouri side has one.
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(08-04-2019 02:25 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I don't see it because UMKC is in the wrong part of KC for an arena that size. Also trouble is it would have to be on the Missouri side. The better suburbs for an arena would be on the Kansas side, since the Missouri side has one.

I'm thinking of a 4,000 to 6,000 seat arena, more like the Independence Arena than the Sprint Center. It would host UMKC events, athletics, concerts. The Ralston (Nebr.) Arena, in addition to the main floor, has also configured some of their lobby space for smaller touring bands (basically a club within the arena) and another side is finished nicely and is used for wedding receptions, business meetings, etc.. An arena in that part of KC could stay busy.
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Ok, I had to give up and google what LIU stood for, but google did not help.
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(08-04-2019 08:19 PM)goofus Wrote:  Ok, I had to give up and google what LIU stood for, but google did not help.

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(08-04-2019 08:19 PM)goofus Wrote:  Ok, I had to give up and google what LIU stood for, but google did not help.

LIU = Long Island University

They have 2 campuses that had 2 separate athletic programs (d1 and d2) that have merged this year into one d1 program. As often happens in these things, a new name was chosen. We welcome the "LIU Sharks" and say farewell to the LIU (Brooklyn) Blackbirds and the LIU (Post) Pioneers.


PS. DFW HOYA must have posted while I was "crafting" my answer. Sorry about the redundancy.
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(08-04-2019 08:19 PM)goofus Wrote:  Ok, I had to give up and google what LIU stood for, but google did not help.

Very common Chinese surname, pronounced "lee OH". But there's gotta be 10m's of LIU's in the world, so it'd be hard to google without a given name ...

... say what? A University? Sheesh, talk about being hard to find on google. Is it too late to change their name to the University of Long Island?
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UMKC has telescoping platform chair back seating for 1500.
The two sides of the stands move into place with a remote control.
Why not add similar remote control bleacher seating on one or both baselines ?
Similar baseline seating if bleachers would be about 500 per side.
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If you go up north, you see schools (even at the D-3 level) building on a fieldhouse facility that they can use for indoor track and University functions (concerts, commencements, etc). Some schools (Binghamton being the one that comes to mind) use this as their basketball gym as well, having built it as part of their move to D-1.
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(08-03-2019 10:30 AM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  So my question is are there any other programs like LIU with a similar setup .
With newer more flexible bleacher systems some schools with bad basketball facilities could go this route.
Easier to fund raise for arena/ rec center and add practice court for basketball. Than to build a dedicated arena for athletics.
Maybe Sacramento St could use their rec center and convert basketball gym to practice only court.
Might increase attendance since students already frequent the building.

Good temporary bleachers might be an improvement .
Concession and areas can be used more often .
Never been to either LIU 2500 seat rec/arena Sac St nest 1012 capacity.

That ain't gonna happen with The WELL. It is a building designed, constructed and financed via fees through a campus referendum specifically for recreational space. More importantly, it does not possess the plumbing nor the concession capabilities for events of that scale.
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(08-04-2019 08:19 PM)goofus Wrote:  Ok, I had to give up and google what LIU stood for, but google did not help.
Get

The university is the top result in Bing, fwiw. Must be a Google problem.
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