Liberty should try and work with the Independent bowl being a permanent tie-in. The bowl appears to be in trouble and Liberty has enough money to help them through it. Get ESPN to provide the other opponent via their bowl pool. Granted they will likely need a waiver from the NCAA with the new "Tie In Rules". Thoughts?

Liberty's athletic director is trying to have multiple tie-ins with the new bowl agreements for 2020-2025. The word he used is "creative" so we'll see what that means.

https://www.newsadvance.com/sports/colle...b309b.html

It is currently an SEC - ACC match up, right? It would be great to get in on that but I don't know if I want Liberty to throw a bunch of money around for this. They already have a bad reputation whether deserved or not. Bowls should be an earned reward, not given because you bought it. I want Liberty to be like any other team and to get a tie-in because they want us there.

(07-24-2019 08:48 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Liberty's athletic director is trying to have multiple tie-ins with the new bowl agreements for 2020-2025. The word he used is "creative" so we'll see what that means.

https://www.newsadvance.com/sports/colle...b309b.html

It is currently an SEC - ACC match up, right? It would be great to get in on that but I don't know if I want Liberty to throw a bunch of money around for this. They already have a bad reputation whether deserved or not. Bowls should be an earned reward, not given because you bought it. I want Liberty to be like any other team and to get a tie-in because they want us there.

Agreed

(07-25-2019 06:55 AM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  

(07-24-2019 08:48 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Liberty's athletic director is trying to have multiple tie-ins with the new bowl agreements for 2020-2025. The word he used is "creative" so we'll see what that means.

https://www.newsadvance.com/sports/colle...b309b.html

It is currently an SEC - ACC match up, right? It would be great to get in on that but I don't know if I want Liberty to throw a bunch of money around for this. They already have a bad reputation whether deserved or not. Bowls should be an earned reward, not given because you bought it. I want Liberty to be like any other team and to get a tie-in because they want us there.

Agreed

Yeah I agree too

Are the the other indies like LU, excluding of course ND? What arrangements, if any, do they have?

(07-25-2019 09:30 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  Are the the other indies like LU, excluding of course ND? What arrangements, if any, do they have?

BYU and Army in the past had particular tie-ins to certain bowls. Army had Armed Forces tie-in. BYU use to have a Poinsettia tie-in until it folded. As an independent, you need to get a tie-in or you will have to hope conferences don't fill the bowl.

Apparently you all have not followed the Independence bowl may be going under. They lost the ACC/SEC starting 2020-2025. Highly unlikely the PAC12 will sign with them. Right now their options are only SB, CUSA, BYU, Army.

Liberty could be the savior for the Independence bowl. Granted tied to the bowl for six years is long, but at least Liberty would have a bowl. If they are successful, then they could merit possible future bowl tie-ins similar to BYU and Army. Remember Army only tie-in was a couple of years with the Armed Forces. Starting as a FBS independent with a guaranteed bowl tie[in is huge. Otherwise if there are extra teams, Liberty could very well be sitting home. Especially if the Independence bowl folds.

You all are FBS now. It is not about being wanted. It is about having a Bowl tie-in for recruits and the extra practices. This also gives another advantage over NMSU and UMASS. Just like when Army or BYU couldn't fill their tie-in, it just goes to another team hoping to get a bowl without a tie-in.

The Bowl cycles are done every 6 years. So that will be the next opportunity to get a tie-in. This is why this would be a win/win for Liberty and the Independence bowl.

(07-25-2019 10:15 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(07-25-2019 09:30 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  Are the the other indies like LU, excluding of course ND? What arrangements, if any, do they have?

BYU and Army in the past had particular tie-ins to certain bowls. Army had Armed Forces tie-in. BYU use to have a Poinsettia tie-in until it folded. As an independent, you need to get a tie-in or you will have to hope conferences don't fill the bowl.

Apparently you all have not followed the Independence bowl may be going under. They lost the ACC/SEC starting 2020-2025. Highly unlikely the PAC12 will sign with them. Right now their options are only SB, CUSA, BYU, Army.

Liberty could be the savior for the Independence bowl. Granted tied to the bowl for six years is long, but at least Liberty would have a bowl. If they are successful, then they could merit possible future bowl tie-ins similar to BYU and Army. Remember Army only tie-in was a couple of years with the Armed Forces. Starting as a FBS independent with a guaranteed bowl tie[in is huge. Otherwise if there are extra teams, Liberty could very well be sitting home. Especially if the Independence bowl folds.

You all are FBS now. It is not about being wanted. It is about having a Bowl tie-in for recruits and the extra practices. This also gives another advantage over NMSU and UMASS. Just like when Army or BYU couldn't fill their tie-in, it just goes to another team hoping to get a bowl without a tie-in.

The Bowl cycles are done every 6 years. So that will be the next opportunity to get a tie-in. This is why this would be a win/win for Liberty and the Independence bowl.

Nobody is saying we don't want a tie-in. We just don't want to throw our money around to make it happen. On top of that, we already have a tie-in for the Cure Bowl and are working on different tie-ins for the next cycle. If push came to shove, we'd take whatever we could get but we don't have to use our money to get anything when there are apparently desperate bowls.

(07-26-2019 05:41 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(07-25-2019 10:15 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(07-25-2019 09:30 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  Are the the other indies like LU, excluding of course ND? What arrangements, if any, do they have?

BYU and Army in the past had particular tie-ins to certain bowls. Army had Armed Forces tie-in. BYU use to have a Poinsettia tie-in until it folded. As an independent, you need to get a tie-in or you will have to hope conferences don't fill the bowl.

Apparently you all have not followed the Independence bowl may be going under. They lost the ACC/SEC starting 2020-2025. Highly unlikely the PAC12 will sign with them. Right now their options are only SB, CUSA, BYU, Army.

Liberty could be the savior for the Independence bowl. Granted tied to the bowl for six years is long, but at least Liberty would have a bowl. If they are successful, then they could merit possible future bowl tie-ins similar to BYU and Army. Remember Army only tie-in was a couple of years with the Armed Forces. Starting as a FBS independent with a guaranteed bowl tie[in is huge. Otherwise if there are extra teams, Liberty could very well be sitting home. Especially if the Independence bowl folds.

You all are FBS now. It is not about being wanted. It is about having a Bowl tie-in for recruits and the extra practices. This also gives another advantage over NMSU and UMASS. Just like when Army or BYU couldn't fill their tie-in, it just goes to another team hoping to get a bowl without a tie-in.

The Bowl cycles are done every 6 years. So that will be the next opportunity to get a tie-in. This is why this would be a win/win for Liberty and the Independence bowl.

Nobody is saying we don't want a tie-in. We just don't want to throw our money around to make it happen. On top of that, we already have a tie-in for the Cure Bowl and are working on different tie-ins for the next cycle. If push came to shove, we'd take whatever we could get but we don't have to use our money to get anything when there are apparently desperate bowls.

Technically you don't have a tie-in, you have a back-up agreement. With the new ESPN Bowl Pool, that will make that harder for any ESPN Owned Bowls. The Cure was bought by ESPN and will start under that ownership in 2020.

Let me put the "Buying" a bowl a different way. If Liberty took less than the normal payout, it helps the bowl stay afloat. Other conferences have done this, IE: AAC did that with Birmingham Bowl to play the SEC.

Liberty paid a million to each team. Lets say Liberty to only 500-750K. Allows the bowl to save money and possibly entice a another conference to tie-in. Technically, the ACC and P12 did not feel all their eligible slots. Honestly I don't think either would fill the slot ever. But imagine if the Indy could get SEC/ACC rotation at 1.5 million because Liberty would take 500K. PR for that would be worth it. Imagine getting a an official tie-in with a P5. Even though it would likely be rare either the ACC/SEC to fill it. Maybe Liberty could get more of the share when it is G5 opponent.

All other bowl tie-ins will likely be conditional backup. Again, the football gods dropped an incredible opportunity in the lap of Liberty, It would be shame if Liberty had this opportunity and let it pass by, You realize Liberty would have a P5 tie-in which SBC and CUSA currently do not have. I know it is wrong, but that would enjoyable to watch their reactions since they refused to let you all in.

(07-26-2019 08:24 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 05:41 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(07-25-2019 10:15 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(07-25-2019 09:30 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  Are the the other indies like LU, excluding of course ND? What arrangements, if any, do they have?

BYU and Army in the past had particular tie-ins to certain bowls. Army had Armed Forces tie-in. BYU use to have a Poinsettia tie-in until it folded. As an independent, you need to get a tie-in or you will have to hope conferences don't fill the bowl.

Apparently you all have not followed the Independence bowl may be going under. They lost the ACC/SEC starting 2020-2025. Highly unlikely the PAC12 will sign with them. Right now their options are only SB, CUSA, BYU, Army.

Liberty could be the savior for the Independence bowl. Granted tied to the bowl for six years is long, but at least Liberty would have a bowl. If they are successful, then they could merit possible future bowl tie-ins similar to BYU and Army. Remember Army only tie-in was a couple of years with the Armed Forces. Starting as a FBS independent with a guaranteed bowl tie[in is huge. Otherwise if there are extra teams, Liberty could very well be sitting home. Especially if the Independence bowl folds.

You all are FBS now. It is not about being wanted. It is about having a Bowl tie-in for recruits and the extra practices. This also gives another advantage over NMSU and UMASS. Just like when Army or BYU couldn't fill their tie-in, it just goes to another team hoping to get a bowl without a tie-in.

The Bowl cycles are done every 6 years. So that will be the next opportunity to get a tie-in. This is why this would be a win/win for Liberty and the Independence bowl.

Nobody is saying we don't want a tie-in. We just don't want to throw our money around to make it happen. On top of that, we already have a tie-in for the Cure Bowl and are working on different tie-ins for the next cycle. If push came to shove, we'd take whatever we could get but we don't have to use our money to get anything when there are apparently desperate bowls.

Technically you don't have a tie-in, you have a back-up agreement. With the new ESPN Bowl Pool, that will make that harder for any ESPN Owned Bowls. The Cure was bought by ESPN and will start under that ownership in 2020.

Let me put the "Buying" a bowl a different way. If Liberty took less than the normal payout, it helps the bowl stay afloat. Other conferences have done this, IE: AAC did that with Birmingham Bowl to play the SEC.

Liberty paid a million to each team. Lets say Liberty to only 500-750K. Allows the bowl to save money and possibly entice a another conference to tie-in. Technically, the ACC and P12 did not feel all their eligible slots. Honestly I don't think either would fill the slot ever. But imagine if the Indy could get SEC/ACC rotation at 1.5 million because Liberty would take 500K. PR for that would be worth it. Imagine getting a an official tie-in with a P5. Even though it would likely be rare either the ACC/SEC to fill it. Maybe Liberty could get more of the share when it is G5 opponent.

All other bowl tie-ins will likely be conditional backup. Again, the football gods dropped an incredible opportunity in the lap of Liberty, It would be shame if Liberty had this opportunity and let it pass by, You realize Liberty would have a P5 tie-in which SBC and CUSA currently do not have. I know it is wrong, but that would enjoyable to watch their reactions since they refused to let you all in.

If we were to do that I would be okay taking a lower payout. I saw the payout was 1.2 million, could be wrong, but let use that figure. If we played a P5 I’d be okay with us taking 200k, to cover travel, and the P5 team could get 1 million. If it was a G5 team an even 50/50 split. Also, in the last ten years, the ACC and SEC filled their slots 3 times.

Liberty should just win games and let their body of work speak for itself until the football world must take notice. We’ll get our share of bowl invites.

(07-27-2019 07:44 AM)army56mike Wrote:  Liberty should just win games and let their body of work speak for itself until the football world must take notice. We’ll get our share of bowl invites.

I wish it was actually like that, but nowadays, even the Big Boys in the P5 have agreements with the bowls. Only way we squeak in anywhere is for not enough schools to qualify. That's why we need agreements with bowl games.

An great example of this are the Rose & Sugar Bowls. The Rose Bowl has an agreement with the Big 10 & Pac 12 conferences, so they get dibs on the highest non-playoff teams from each conference, while the Sugar Bowl gets the same deal with the Big 12 & SEC conferences.

Almost every bowl has some kind of paid agreement with conferences. That's why we need to put our stake into something, otherwise we theoretically could get left out with a great record, unless not enough teams from those conferences qualify.

(07-29-2019 11:01 AM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 07:44 AM)army56mike Wrote:  Liberty should just win games and let their body of work speak for itself until the football world must take notice. We’ll get our share of bowl invites.

I wish it was actually like that, but nowadays, even the Big Boys in the P5 have agreements with the bowls. Only way we squeak in anywhere is for not enough schools to qualify. That's why we need agreements with bowl games.

An great example of this are the Rose & Sugar Bowls. The Rose Bowl has an agreement with the Big 10 & Pac 12 conferences, so they get dibs on the highest non-playoff teams from each conference, while the Sugar Bowl gets the same deal with the Big 12 & SEC conferences.

Almost every bowl has some kind of paid agreement with conferences. That's why we need to put our stake into something, otherwise we theoretically could get left out with a great record, unless not enough teams from those conferences qualify.

UCONN went 9-3 as an Indy and missed a bowl game because of no tie in.