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(07-22-2019 10:01 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
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(07-20-2019 09:38 AM)nole Wrote:  Finances changed the game and many don't seem to understand that.

Miami's location makes them very unique, but they don't have the money to 'make a come back.'

FSU has a bigger booster base, but I am not certain they have the means either.

Every year that goes by, these schools with great locations but lesser means than SEC schools (getting $20 or so million a year more from their conference and bigger booster bases) make it less likely they can come back.

That is the reality. The ACC will likely never admit that reality (which makes things worse because you can't mitigate for issues when you don't admit they are there).

Compare and contrast with Nebraska. The Cornhuskers get a hefty Big 10 paycheck, and I would bet heavily they'll never be close to what they once were

Miami has a winning history and they are in rich recruiting territory. They have a better chance to come back then a lot of schools do


Fantastic comparison. Nail meet EvilVodka -- he just hammered you.

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Due to geography and population dynamics, Nebraska is basically Iowa now. They'll have the occasional 10-2 season, but they will have to endure a lot of 7-5/8-4 and even the occasional sub .500 seasons in between. They'll never be the program they were under Bob Devaney or Tom Osbourne.

I disagree. I disagree with everyone who thinks these teams cant get it back together at a championship level. You get the right coach in there, and it could change very quickly for Nebraska. Scott Frost seems to be the right coach. He went back home to mamma and is in his second year there. Look what he did at UCF in year 2. I wouldn't want my team playing his team in year 2.
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(07-22-2019 10:35 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  I disagree. I disagree with everyone who thinks these teams cant get it back together at a championship level. You get the right coach in there, and it could change very quickly for Nebraska. Scott Frost seems to be the right coach. He went back home to mamma and is in his second year there. Look what he did at UCF in year 2. I wouldn't want my team playing his team in year 2.

Bingo. Some of us remember when Alabama was losing to what is now G5 teams...at home. The Mike Shula era is a forgetful one for those folks. And, they had plenty of money then just as they do now. Look no further than Knoxville and the crap stain of a program they've been since foolishly firing Fulmer. As a Vols fan myself (my son graduated from there), I wonder if the Big Orange ego has been knocked down enough for some to finally realize what rock bottom looks like (0-8 in the SEC a couple of years ago) and admit that firing Fulmer was a dumb idea...at least those who had grown "tired" of 9 and 10 win seasons while not winning a national title like they did under Fulmer 20 or so seasons ago.

Money is of course important. One of the most important factors in fact. But, it isn't a guarantee alone.
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(07-20-2019 01:02 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-20-2019 12:56 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Some of you guys are completely LOCO if you think Miami cant get it back together again. Miami has never had huge attendance or a large booster base, or a lot of money. But they have always thrived. I cant wait to see some of you guys choke on your negativity when Miami gets it together again. I mean someone actually said FSU may never get it together again. FSU just won a dog-on national championship just 4 years ago.

The coaching staff is the one that let it go downhill at FSU. Not the boosters, not the attendance, not the money. JIMBO FISHER is to blame. When Miami gets the right coach, its going to be hard for other programs to go down into south Florida and take the recruits that Miami wants. I know of one certain coach who calls the Carrier Dome home, who would be perfect for Miami and the local recruits. But that's our little secret. Hope he never goes down there. But he would be perfect. But this is a great thread during our dead period, but its crazy.

In my fifty five years of observing college football, the difference is almost always coaching.

That is the case whether it is Miami, FSU, LSU, Alabama, Notre Dame, or Slippery Rock.

Slippery Rock went 11 and 3 last year but lost to West Chester in the PSAC Championship Game 33 to 10. 02-13-banana 03-drunk 03-drunk02-13-banana 02-13-bananaCOGS COGS COGS 04-cheers
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(07-22-2019 10:01 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-22-2019 09:41 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(07-20-2019 04:36 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(07-20-2019 09:38 AM)nole Wrote:  Finances changed the game and many don't seem to understand that.

Miami's location makes them very unique, but they don't have the money to 'make a come back.'

FSU has a bigger booster base, but I am not certain they have the means either.

Every year that goes by, these schools with great locations but lesser means than SEC schools (getting $20 or so million a year more from their conference and bigger booster bases) make it less likely they can come back.

That is the reality. The ACC will likely never admit that reality (which makes things worse because you can't mitigate for issues when you don't admit they are there).

Compare and contrast with Nebraska. The Cornhuskers get a hefty Big 10 paycheck, and I would bet heavily they'll never be close to what they once were

Miami has a winning history and they are in rich recruiting territory. They have a better chance to come back then a lot of schools do


Fantastic comparison. Nail meet EvilVodka -- he just hammered you.

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Due to geography and population dynamics, Nebraska is basically Iowa now. They'll have the occasional 10-2 season, but they will have to endure a lot of 7-5/8-4 and even the occasional sub .500 seasons in between. They'll never be the program they were under Bob Devaney or Tom Osbourne.

But Scott Frost
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Scott Frost?

OK ...

We'll see.

But the Tom Osborne bar is very very high. And Scott Frost ain't coaching in the era Tom Osborne was. Win one tough game against Oklahoma in the Big Eight, and a few years another tough game against Colorado, and then play in the Orange Bowl for a mythical national title.

If Frost had THIS path, then maybe he could duplicate those feats. Still doubtful. But maybe.
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(07-20-2019 09:38 AM)nole Wrote:  Finances changed the game and many don't seem to understand that.

Miami's location makes them very unique, but they don't have the money to 'make a come back.'

FSU has a bigger booster base, but I am not certain they have the means either.

Every year that goes by, these schools with great locations but lesser means than SEC schools (getting $20 or so million a year more from their conference and bigger booster bases) make it less likely they can come back.

That is the reality. The ACC will likely never admit that reality (which makes things worse because you can't mitigate for issues when you don't admit they are there).

By this logic (bolded), Every SEC and B1G team is miles ahead of every ACC, Big12 and PAC12. You mat wish to look at the championship books, most SEC and B1G teams have not even sniffed a championship let alone won the championship. Most teams in the B1G and SEC would struggle in the ACC Atlantic division, and FSU is down at the moment (not for long). Meanwhile, Clemson just spanked Alabama...and Bama has a huge money lead over Clemson!

Don't fret, the money is soon to increase and the ACC is improving overall.
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People seem to casually forget the years immediately before Bama had Saban and Clemson had Dabo. Great programs, but they were middling on the field. Elite coaches make great programs elite.

If Mack had stuck around at UNC, the Heels may have a vacated national championship right now. Cheese for thought.
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What was Mack’s problem the last few years at Texas?
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(07-25-2019 08:42 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  What was Mack’s problem the last few years at Texas?

Carolina in his mind. 04-wine
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(07-25-2019 08:42 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  What was Mack’s problem the last few years at Texas?

0-fer in QB recruiting. Let all the top guns in state go elsewhere. And several of those were his decision, not the recruit's.
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(07-25-2019 08:42 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  What was Mack’s problem the last few years at Texas?

Mack became a Ceo coach and allowed his assistants to make decisions for their own position groups (including recruiting).
That experiment didn't work and won't be repeated.
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