(07-19-2019 12:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 11:55 AM)qwerty1 Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 11:18 AM)vick mike Wrote:  Temple has won an American Conference Championship. Over the life of the American we are the most consistent winning program.

Wow, that is interesting and I never even considered that fact. Nice! And I think Temple is going to have a surprisingly good football season in 2019.

Memphis too had won a conference title, beat UH last 3 yrs. & played UCF for the conference title the last 2 seasons... next tier down?

it'll be three in a row for us over Cinci this year too 8-)~

(07-20-2019 02:22 PM)thefinglonger Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 11:18 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 10:54 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I think you can throw Navy in the mix with those other 4. Sure they may never win the conference but they are a recognized name and play a good yearly OOC schedule against other recognized names and P6 programs.

Temple and Memphis are the next tier down, but would move up to tier 1 with a breakout year if they were to win the conference and have a good showing in a NY6 bowl.

It would seem like it would be in the best interest of the Big12 to form some kind of scheduling alliance with the AAC. They may have to raid the AAC in 5 years if a few key members leave and perception wise it would be better to add P6 teams than G5 teams. Perhaps the AAC can beat them to the punch if they can convince WVU to come back.

Temple has won an American Conference Championship. Over the life of the American we are the most consistent winning program.

It never ceases to amaze me how little respect Temple gets.

Every team in this conference gets little respect. Some more than others. That’s life in the American.

(07-20-2019 02:22 PM)thefinglonger Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 11:18 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 10:54 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I think you can throw Navy in the mix with those other 4. Sure they may never win the conference but they are a recognized name and play a good yearly OOC schedule against other recognized names and P6 programs.

Temple and Memphis are the next tier down, but would move up to tier 1 with a breakout year if they were to win the conference and have a good showing in a NY6 bowl.

It would seem like it would be in the best interest of the Big12 to form some kind of scheduling alliance with the AAC. They may have to raid the AAC in 5 years if a few key members leave and perception wise it would be better to add P6 teams than G5 teams. Perhaps the AAC can beat them to the punch if they can convince WVU to come back.

Temple has won an American Conference Championship. Over the life of the American we are the most consistent winning program.

It never ceases to amaze mWe how little respect Temple gets.

We've done quite well in the AAC in football and will get back to where we were in basketball, but decades of being the worst major D1 program in the country are hard to shake off. If Rutgers suddenly became decent they'd still be Rutgers. (Also it doesn't help we always drop one WTF game a year.)

(07-19-2019 04:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 04:09 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 03:48 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 03:40 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 02:30 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  Don’t think you need to do anything except let things play out until 2025. After that date is when you’ll know a lot more. You’re not getting a GOR.

UCF, USF, Houston, Cincy, Temple, and Memphis are all hoping for the Big 12 come 2025 as are several MWC teams and BYU.

Navy isn’t going anywhere except back to Indy if the Big 12 does poach I can tell you that. You don’t have to worry about us.

Texas and Oklahoma have zero incentive to expand the Big XII, and make no mistake that decision runs through Austin and Norman. Thinking otherwise is foolish.

Well obviously. Those schools are hoping to be backfill if UT/OU leave. That’s well documented after the previous non expansion.

I've said it a hundreds of times... What's the point Houston joining the Big12 if OU and UT aren't no longer there... Only reason I want back with UT is so that we can revive our heated games and make their fans feel like 5h1+ after Houston leaves Austin with the W.

Yes. And it remains a silly thing to say. By most any objective manner the Big12 minus UT and OK would still be a better, higher paying, more prestigious, better perceived, more geographically coherent conference than the AAC is for schools like Houston, Memphis. SMU, Cinci, Tulane, and Tulsa. People are different. So I get that you may prefer the AAC over s rebuilt Big12—but I assure you the Houston administration and the vast majority of UH fans would not share your preference.

Agree 100 percent.

(07-19-2019 04:35 PM)hobucken0 Wrote:  The big impact is going to be how ESPN promotes us. Aresco made the comment that they were going to really promote our league. I think the word has probably gone out that they want their $1billion dollar investment to bring returns. Think the days of the AAC being belittled may be in the past.

Would really like to see and hear that from ESPiN. This year will tell if that is true.

I think the moral of this thread is that Garrettabc needs to stay in his own lane....and his lane isnt AAC football.

(07-20-2019 08:27 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  I think the moral of this thread is that Garrettabc needs to stay in his own lane....and his lane isnt AAC football.

In his defense, this board gets the most traffic by far. There is much more to discuss here. We are the Power Conference here.

This thread wasn't started by Garrettabc, but he was the first to post a reply.

I welcome posts from former power programs

(07-20-2019 09:01 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  I welcome posts from former power programs

LOL, coming from a former FSU fan.

Teams in the AAC that have history as a Power conference member:

Temple (BIG EAST)
UConn (BIG EAST)
Cincinnati (BIG EAST)
South Florida (BIG EAST)
UCF (AAC 2013*)
Memphis (AAC 2013*)
Houston (SWC & AAC 2013*)
SMU (SWC & AAC 2013*)
Tulane (SEC & AAC 2013*)

* 2013 was the last year that the AAC (The American) had an automatic berth for a BCS Bowl Game.

(07-19-2019 05:07 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 04:59 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 04:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 04:09 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 03:48 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  Well obviously. Those schools are hoping to be backfill if UT/OU leave. That’s well documented after the previous non expansion.

I've said it a hundreds of times... What's the point Houston joining the Big12 if OU and UT aren't no longer there... Only reason I want back with UT is so that we can revive our heated games and make their fans feel like 5h1+ after Houston leaves Austin with the W.

Yes. And it remains a silly thing to say. By most any objective manner the Big12 minus UT and OK would still be a better, higher paying, more prestigious, better perceived, more geographically coherent conference than the AAC is for schools like Houston, Memphis. SMU, Cinci, Tulane, and Tulsa. People are different. So I get that you may prefer the AAC over s rebuilt Big12—but I assure you the Houston administration and the vast majority of UH fans would not share your preference.

If the only teams left are kansas state, baylor, iow state, tcu, and wvu it’s still an upgrade.

It’d be a hell of an upgrade. Add BYU to that mix plus the Top 6 of the AAC and you have a power level conference even if not in Name. Silly to turn that down.

If it’s not a power conference and the tv deal is basically the same (which it would be) it wouldn’t be much of an upgrade. I do understand wanting closer teams for regional travel but that’s the upgrade imo.

Take away Texas and OU and K St, Kansas, Baylor, Iowa St just don’t move the needle any more than the current AAC teams. Less in fact than some AAC teams. They have just benefited from BCS status and P5 status grandfathered on them bc of their affiliation w OU and TX. Nothing more.

(07-20-2019 09:24 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 05:07 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 04:59 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 04:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 04:09 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I've said it a hundreds of times... What's the point Houston joining the Big12 if OU and UT aren't no longer there... Only reason I want back with UT is so that we can revive our heated games and make their fans feel like 5h1+ after Houston leaves Austin with the W.

Yes. And it remains a silly thing to say. By most any objective manner the Big12 minus UT and OK would still be a better, higher paying, more prestigious, better perceived, more geographically coherent conference than the AAC is for schools like Houston, Memphis. SMU, Cinci, Tulane, and Tulsa. People are different. So I get that you may prefer the AAC over s rebuilt Big12—but I assure you the Houston administration and the vast majority of UH fans would not share your preference.

If the only teams left are kansas state, baylor, iow state, tcu, and wvu it’s still an upgrade.

It’d be a hell of an upgrade. Add BYU to that mix plus the Top 6 of the AAC and you have a power level conference even if not in Name. Silly to turn that down.

If it’s not a power conference and the tv deal is basically the same (which it would be) it wouldn’t be much of an upgrade. I do understand wanting closer teams for regional travel but that’s the upgrade imo.

Take away Texas and OU and K St, Kansas, Baylor, Iowa St just don’t move the needle any more than the current AAC teams. Less in fact than some AAC teams. They have just benefited from BCS status and P5 status grandfathered on them bc of their affiliation w OU and TX. Nothing more.

I just don’t see that. You have a lot of folks pointing to ODU as the best addition simply because they have a budget that’s within 10-15 million of most current AAC schools and they sell out a little 20K stadium. Good grief—-any leftover from the Big12 would blow away the school half the people here think is a “good fit”. TaKe four leftover B12 schools— add in BYU and the best AAC teams—give the group a nice boost with a war chest of 300 million in Big12 exit fees and a decent bowl lineup—-No AAC member is saying no to that. If there are 6 Big12 schools left it’s even better.

(07-20-2019 09:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-20-2019 09:24 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 05:07 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 04:59 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 04:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Yes. And it remains a silly thing to say. By most any objective manner the Big12 minus UT and OK would still be a better, higher paying, more prestigious, better perceived, more geographically coherent conference than the AAC is for schools like Houston, Memphis. SMU, Cinci, Tulane, and Tulsa. People are different. So I get that you may prefer the AAC over s rebuilt Big12—but I assure you the Houston administration and the vast majority of UH fans would not share your preference.

If the only teams left are kansas state, baylor, iow state, tcu, and wvu it’s still an upgrade.

It’d be a hell of an upgrade. Add BYU to that mix plus the Top 6 of the AAC and you have a power level conference even if not in Name. Silly to turn that down.

If it’s not a power conference and the tv deal is basically the same (which it would be) it wouldn’t be much of an upgrade. I do understand wanting closer teams for regional travel but that’s the upgrade imo.

Take away Texas and OU and K St, Kansas, Baylor, Iowa St just don’t move the needle any more than the current AAC teams. Less in fact than some AAC teams. They have just benefited from BCS status and P5 status grandfathered on them bc of their affiliation w OU and TX. Nothing more.

I just don’t see that. You have a lot of folks pointing to ODU as the best addition simply because they have a budget that’s within 10-15 million of most current AAC and sell out a 20K. Good grief—-any leftover from the Big12 would blow away the school half the people here think is a “good fit”. TaKe four leftover B12 schools— add in BYU and the best AAC teams—give the group a nice boost with a war chest of 300 million in Big12 exit fees and a decent bowl lineup—-No AAC member is saying no to that. .

ODU is being discussed strictly by fans on this or other message boars, just leke some fans of teams in the AAC are pushing for their team to the Big XII, even if it's all AAC teams rebranded... IMHO, neither will happen.

The Big XII is stronger and more stable than ever. I don’t think Texas and Oklahoma are going anywhere. The conference will most likely stay intact. As for expansion, I’ve read a recent article that points to Arizona and Arizona State as potential targets from the PAC 12 if they decide to expand. The PAC 12 is not doing as well.

(07-20-2019 09:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-20-2019 09:24 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 05:07 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 04:59 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 04:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Yes. And it remains a silly thing to say. By most any objective manner the Big12 minus UT and OK would still be a better, higher paying, more prestigious, better perceived, more geographically coherent conference than the AAC is for schools like Houston, Memphis. SMU, Cinci, Tulane, and Tulsa. People are different. So I get that you may prefer the AAC over s rebuilt Big12—but I assure you the Houston administration and the vast majority of UH fans would not share your preference.

If the only teams left are kansas state, baylor, iow state, tcu, and wvu it’s still an upgrade.

It’d be a hell of an upgrade. Add BYU to that mix plus the Top 6 of the AAC and you have a power level conference even if not in Name. Silly to turn that down.

If it’s not a power conference and the tv deal is basically the same (which it would be) it wouldn’t be much of an upgrade. I do understand wanting closer teams for regional travel but that’s the upgrade imo.

Take away Texas and OU and K St, Kansas, Baylor, Iowa St just don’t move the needle any more than the current AAC teams. Less in fact than some AAC teams. They have just benefited from BCS status and P5 status grandfathered on them bc of their affiliation w OU and TX. Nothing more.

I just don’t see that. You have a lot of folks pointing to ODU as the best addition simply because they have a budget that’s within 10-15 million of most current AAC and sell out a 20K. Good grief—-any leftover from the Big12 would blow away the school half the people here think is a “good fit”. TaKe four leftover B12 schools— add in BYU and the best AAC teams—give the group a nice boost with a war chest of 300 million in Big12 exit fees and a decent bowl lineup—-No AAC member is saying no to that. .

Not to mention having an already established P5 brand in the “Big 12”. Crazy not see that as an upgrade.

It would be a comparable situation to the zombie Big East, probably a bit better actually. The BE was the 6th best conference out of 11, a stretch power conference in the power system that people liked to underrate. Had teams people knew but no big time program to lead the way so the perception needed more time than just a decade to be changed.

(07-20-2019 09:18 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Teams in the AAC that have history as a Power conference member:

Temple (BIG EAST)
UConn (BIG EAST)
Cincinnati (BIG EAST)
South Florida (BIG EAST)
UCF (AAC 2013*)
Memphis (AAC 2013*)
Houston (SWC & AAC 2013*)
SMU (SWC & AAC 2013*)
Tulane (SEC & AAC 2013*)

* 2013 was the last year that the AAC (The American) had an automatic berth for a BCS Bowl Game.

Back in the 80's Memphis and Cincinnati played in the Metro conference along side Georgia Tech, Florida State, South Carolina, Virginia Tech, Louisville, and several other schools during that decade.

While most were independent in football, I would also consider the Metro a power conference simply because of the aforementioned schools that played BB in that conference.

(07-20-2019 08:27 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  I think the moral of this thread is that Garrettabc needs to stay in his own lane....and his lane isnt AAC football.

His post about Memphis and Temple was too ignorant to respond to.

I’m not a fan of the P6 narrative (though I admit it has created some positive results). When you have to give yourself credit for something, it makes you look insecure — and invites criticism. I follow two AAC programs (both since the 1970s) and want the league to succeed but I don’t consider it a “power conference” in football. Now in men’s basketball, I do feel it is a “high major league overall” with multiple individual power programs. It is clearly a power conference in baseball. In terms of — more broadly — academics, overall athletic budgets, enrollments, overall budgets, fan bases, endowments, etc., it has some of the characteristics of a power conference.

(07-21-2019 07:31 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I’m not a fan of the P6 narrative (though I admit it has created some positive results). When you have to give yourself credit for something, it makes you look insecure — and invites criticism. I follow two AAC programs (both since the 1970s) and want the league to succeed but I don’t consider it a “power conference” in football. Now in men’s basketball, I do feel it is a “high major league overall” with multiple individual power programs. It is clearly a power conference in baseball. In terms of — more broadly — academics, overall athletic budgets, enrollments, overall budgets, fan bases, endowments, etc., it has some of the characteristics of a power conference.

Have you read the Conference's Strategic Plan, bill?
http://theamerican.org/sports/2017/4/28/...0Plan.aspx

What you are saying is actually very much aligned with what P6 is all about. It is by no means a claim that the AAC is the equivalent of the SEC or B1G today. It is saying we have more characteristics in common with those five than with the four conferences behind us, therefore group us with the five ahead of us than the other four. It is also saying that we will do everything we can - on field as well as in academics, overall athletic budgets, enrollments, overall budgets, fan behavior - to keep pace with the autonomy conferences, and separate from the group of four behind us. The objective isnt today, it's whatever restructure may be coming in 2025.