(01-06-2020 02:22 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 11:51 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I would be very pleased with Army/VCU or Air Force/VCU.

I would also be fine with Boise, Air Force and Colorado State to go to 14.

And I don't think Buffalo should be dismissed (a strong academic institution that is putting money into its sports programs).

Conversely, I will not be pleased if the American does not add quality universities/athletic programs. There is "strength in numbers" and there is the "perception consideration." Most folks I talk to (and I've followed college sports since about 1969) feel the AAC took a prestige hit with the loss of UConn. I strongly feel that way, too. As bad as UConn football is, the university historically has enjoyed outstanding men's and women's hoops, has a very good baseball program and is a state flagship with fine academics and a history of associations with top-notch universities and athletic programs.

The American is now down to only three schools (Temple, Navy and Wichita) that were never part of C-USA. Ponder that.

Another reason to avoid adding another CUSA school. Adding a school like S Miss or UAB will seem an awful lot like getting the old CUSA band back together. Thats a PR problem that needs to be avoided at all costs. The AAC has spent 6 years trying to prove its not just CUSA spelled sideways. It's important that the conference not start looking too much like its morphing into CUSA circa 2011.

Oh, that more people would realize this...

(01-06-2020 03:29 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 02:28 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  .
The AAC does not add another school, for now. This is the best option.

This may be "the best option" in one person's opinion, but there have been numerous threads, including some data collection (polls) on this topic, and the majority of readers on this site don't agree with the above statement.

The way this was written, it comes across as if it were the concluding sentence in a lawyer's argument on behalf of his client, after completing a thorough and comprehensive presentation of all the pertinent evidence.

However, as one of the jurors, my observation would be that a hasty and thus necessarily false conclusion has been set before the jury, based on a highly selective (i.e., biased) and unrepresentative collection of evidence.

Another way of putting it is that the argument consisted of nothing more than building a straw man (portraying the argument for replacing UConn FB & BB as if it is entirely worthless) and proceeding to throw it into a burning fire.

In short, my vote would go the other way, based on the observation that the argument put before the jury doesn't begin to resemble a convincing case.

If you would like to try to convince people of your argument, you'll have to do a lot more research and do a serious comparison of the pros and cons.

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Given that democracy rules in such matters, discussion is not about to stop simply because one poster issues what he or she considers to be an authoritative statement on the matter.

I think you are badly misreading the results of those polls. If I remember correctly, no option other than AF/BYU/Army has even come close to getting a majority of the poll result (much less a super majority of 75% that would be required to earn an AAC invite). My guess is a majority of folks would prefer it if the AAC was a 12 football member conference (count me as a "yes" with respect to that question).

The problem is, there is no single school capable of capturing the super majority needed to obtain an invite. In other words, if you ask the question in a more real world manner---as in----"Would you prefer to stay at 11 or add team "X" to be #12----you dont get a majority unless team "X" is BYU/Army/Air Force. Thats where most are. I think very few are interested in going to 12 if it means adding a UAB, ODU, or Georgia St type team to the conference.

(01-06-2020 01:09 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 11:51 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I would be very pleased with Army/VCU or Air Force/VCU.

I would also be fine with Boise, Air Force and Colorado State to go to 14.

And I don't think Buffalo should be dismissed (a strong academic institution that is putting money into its sports programs).

Conversely, I will not be pleased if the American does not add quality universities/athletic programs. There is "strength in numbers" and there is the "perception consideration." Most folks I talk to (and I've followed college sports since about 1969) feel the AAC took a prestige hit with the loss of UConn. I strongly feel that way, too. As bad as UConn football is, the university historically has enjoyed outstanding men's and women's hoops, has a very good baseball program and is a state flagship with fine academics and a history of associations with top-notch universities and athletic programs.

The American is now down to only three schools (Temple, Navy and Wichita) that were never part of C-USA. Ponder that.

I would love to have VCU in the AAC, but only if it is paired with Air Force or Army.

Who ever come in from either East or West of the Mississippi should be All sports W/Football.

(SDSU, BSU, BYU, CSU, and Buffalo)

I agree with this.

(01-06-2020 07:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 03:29 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 02:28 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  .
The AAC does not add another school, for now. This is the best option.

This may be "the best option" in one person's opinion, but there have been numerous threads, including some data collection (polls) on this topic, and the majority of readers on this site don't agree with the above statement.

The way this was written, it comes across as if it were the concluding sentence in a lawyer's argument on behalf of his client, after completing a thorough and comprehensive presentation of all the pertinent evidence.

However, as one of the jurors, my observation would be that a hasty and thus necessarily false conclusion has been set before the jury, based on a highly selective (i.e., biased) and unrepresentative collection of evidence.

Another way of putting it is that the argument consisted of nothing more than building a straw man (portraying the argument for replacing UConn FB & BB as if it is entirely worthless) and proceeding to throw it into a burning fire.

In short, my vote would go the other way, based on the observation that the argument put before the jury doesn't begin to resemble a convincing case.

If you would like to try to convince people of your argument, you'll have to do a lot more research and do a serious comparison of the pros and cons.

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Given that democracy rules in such matters, discussion is not about to stop simply because one poster issues what he or she considers to be an authoritative statement on the matter.

I think you are badly misreading the results of those polls. If I remember correctly, no option other than AF/BYU/Army has even come close to getting a majority of the poll result (much less a super majority of 75% that would be required to earn an AAC invite). My guess is a majority of folks would prefer it if the AAC was a 12 football member conference (count me as a "yes" with respect to that question).

The problem is, there is no single school capable of capturing the super majority needed to obtain an invite. In other words, if you ask the question in a more real world manner---as in----"Would you prefer to stay at 11 or add team "X" to be #12----you dont get a majority unless team "X" is BYU/Army/Air Force. Thats where most are. I think very few are interested in going to 12 if it means adding a UAB, ODU, or Georgia St type team to the conference.

Excellent point, A-Coog. I strongly feel the AAC does not need to add a C-USA program for various reasons. There are some that "make sense" in some ways (UAB and Rice) and some that show very solid potential long-term (ODU). But the American needs to (at least as best as it can) shed the C-USA image.

Now let me be clear. I like C-USA. I'm a Middle Tennessee State graduate and want the league to do well. It has an interesting mix of universities. I just don't see much positive for the AAC adding a C-USA program.

C-USA doesn't have any State Flagship Universities as far as I know so there are no viable candidates in C-USA.

(01-07-2020 12:13 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  C-USA doesn't have any State Flagship Universities as far as I know so there are no viable candidates in C-USA.

If academics matter greatly, Rice would have to be a strong candidate. But that's not going to happen.

I wish C-USA well, but no addition to the AAC from C-USA.

(01-07-2020 01:15 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 12:13 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  C-USA doesn't have any State Flagship Universities as far as I know so there are no viable candidates in C-USA.

If academics matter greatly, Rice would have to be a strong candidate. But that's not going to happen.

I wish C-USA well, but no addition to the AAC from C-USA.

IF academics matter... Not saying that Buffalo Should/Would be added but they are State Flagship, R1 Research, AAU member, and top 50 media market and possibly the only FBS level Flagship that has the potential to be "top dog" in it's state .

(01-07-2020 03:14 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 01:15 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 12:13 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  C-USA doesn't have any State Flagship Universities as far as I know so there are no viable candidates in C-USA.

If academics matter greatly, Rice would have to be a strong candidate. But that's not going to happen.

I wish C-USA well, but no addition to the AAC from C-USA.

IF academics matter... Not saying that Buffalo Should/Would be added but they are State Flagship, R1 Research, AAU member, and top 50 media market and possibly the only FBS level Flagship that has the potential to be "top dog" in it's state .

No doubt, Buffalo should be considered for No. 12. But if the AAC is considering Buffalo, UMass should be considered, too.

Not sure UMass can dominate the Boston market anytime soon, although they did at one point in basketball with John Calipari, 1988-89 - 1996-97.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calipari#College

(01-06-2020 02:28 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  The AAC does not add another school, for now. This is the best option.

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There is value out there right now... Adding Air Force(FB)/VCU Olympics is a value add to the Media contract, and if Aresco can't negotiate that with that combination he is not doing his job.

The addition of Colorado/National w/Air Force and the Richmond Virginia Market for VCU is 3x better than what UConn delivered regarding eyeballs.

I don't think any add will increase the revenue per team more than a few $$. ESPN has 0 reason to give us a raise at this point, unless they want a MWC school for late night programing.

(01-08-2020 05:39 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I don't think any add will increase the revenue per team more than a few $$. ESPN has 0 reason to give us a raise at this point, unless they want a MWC school for late night programing.

If the MWC truly does go with Fox or CBS, I think we are in prime position to pick off the best MWC schools to get them back in the ESPN inventory and absolutely KILL OFF the MWC.

(01-08-2020 05:42 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-08-2020 05:39 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  .
I don't think any add will increase the revenue per team more than a few $$. ESPN has 0 reason to give us a raise at this point, unless they want a MWC school for late night programing.

jed clampett's reply to goodknightfl:

PERHAPS NOT DURING CONTRACT YEARS 1-12, BUT WE'RE PLAYING A LONG GAME, AND THE AAC MIGHT WELL BE A HOT COMMODITY WHEN THE DEAL EXPIRES (e.g., if Air Force and VCU were to join the conference). IF SO, ADDING A GOOD MWC FB TEAM MIGHT HELP THE AAC's BROADCASTING PAYMENTS TO DOUBLE (or possibly triple to the $20 million range).


geosnooker's reply to goodknightfl:

If the MWC truly does go with Fox or CBS, I think we are in prime position to pick off the best MWC schools to get them back in the ESPN inventory and absolutely KILL OFF the MWC.

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jed clampett's reply to geosnooker:

Most of the discussion has been about simply replacing UConn, but with the possibility of being raided by the Big-12 in the next 6 years (by 2026), perhaps the AAC members could be convinced that they can best guarantee the conference's survival beyond 2026 by expanding to 14.

It could be argued that the most prudent and responsible step forward would be to try to bring 3 MWC teams into the AAC. Wonder whether ESPN would be interested in taking such a bold step, and if approached by ESPN with the suggestion, would the AAC members approve?

It can equally be argued that remaining at 11 teams beyond 2022 might be fiscally imprudent and irresponsible, since it is definitely possible that the Big 12 or other P5s might grab two teams from the AAC by 2026.

Since a few AAC schools were unwilling to assent to a grant of rights (GOR), which it would make it harder for the P5 to grab any conference teams, the possibility of being raided may actually turn out to be a low to moderate probability.

LINK: https://apnews.com/APTop25CollegeFootbal...ce=Twitter

2019 Final AP 25 ranking: Conference breakdown

1. Big 10 ..............................6 teams (3. Ohio State, 9. Penn State, 10. Minnesota, 11. Wisconsin, 15. Iowa, 18. Michigan)

2. SEC .................................5 teams (1. LSU, 4. Georgia, 6. Florida, 8. Alabama, 14. Auburn)

3. AAC .................................4 teams (17. Memphis, 20. Navy, 21. Cincinnati, 24. UCF)

4. Big XII .............................3 teams (7. Oklahoma, 13. Baylor, 25. Texas)

5. PAC-12 ............................2 teams (5. Oregon, 16. Utah)

6. MW ..................................2 teams (22. Air Force, 23. Boise State)

7. ACC .................................1 teams (2. Clemson)

8. IND .................................1 teams (12. Notre Dame)

9. SB ...................................1 teams (19. Appalachian State)

10. .......................................0 teams (CUSA, MAC)

Air Force finishing ahead of Boise State... My point for Air Force and VCU as balance addition for #12

AMERICAN POW6R

(01-14-2020 10:57 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  LINK: https://apnews.com/APTop25CollegeFootbal...ce=Twitter

2019 Final AP 25 ranking: Conference breakdown

1. Big 10 ..............................6 teams (3. Ohio State, 9. Penn State, 10. Minnesota, 11. Wisconsin, 15. Iowa, 18. Michigan)

2. SEC .................................5 teams (1. LSU, 4. Georgia, 6. Florida, 8. Alabama, 14. Auburn)

3. AAC .................................4 teams (17. Memphis, 20. Navy, 21. Cincinnati, 24. UCF)

4. Big XII .............................3 teams (7. Oklahoma, 13. Baylor, 25. Texas)

5. PAC-12 ............................2 teams (5. Oregon, 16. Utah)

6. MW ..................................2 teams (22. Air Force, 23. Boise State)

7. ACC .................................1 teams (2. Clemson)

8. IND .................................1 teams (12. Notre Dame)

9. SB ...................................1 teams (19. Appalachian State)

10. .......................................0 teams (CUSA, MAC)

Air Force finishing ahead of Boise State... My point for Air Force and VCU as balance addition for #12

AMERICAN POW6R

That's a very concise and informative list.

It conveys the AAC FB's near-parity with the Big XII, PAC, and ACC in 2019 better than just about any other set of comparisons, and it brings the point home more effectively than the conference rankings.

The AAC's bowl record lines up pretty well with the data in the above list.

The AAC ranked #3 in winning percentage (57%).

According to the Massey Composite, the average of dozens of FB ranking systems ranks the AAC in 5th place, ahead of the ACC.

https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

But I prefer your list. Thanks for posting!

(07-19-2019 10:10 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  According to this article it looks like the Nationl perception off the AAC is changing for the better.

https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...gger-goals

- Did you know that the top half of the AAC is 22–14 vs. the Power 5?

-Fickell opposes the notion of a single, defining line separating the haves and have-nots of college football. Cincinnati is one of the few programs outside the Power 5 — along with UCF, USF and Houston — that’s arguably comparable in talent, resources, support and desirable geography.

- Everyone bought in, which is why you’ll see the AAC playing a slew of top-30 programs in the first three weeks of the 2019 season: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Washington State, Stanford, Wisconsin, Michigan State, NC State, Ohio State and Auburn.

Today's College Football News all bowl team players. AAC well represented:
Offense:
25. Brady White, QB Memphis

32-of-51 passes for 454 yards with two interceptions, and he ran for a score, in the 53-39 loss to Penn State.

13. Desmond Ridder, QB Cincinnati

14-of-24 for 95 yards and a score, and 21 carries for 105 yards and three scores, in the 38-6 win over Boston College.

7. Malcolm Perry, QB Navy

5-of-7 passes for 57 yards and a score, and 28 carries for 213 yards in the 20-17 win over Kansas State.

Defense:
23. Tre’Mon Morris-Brash, DE UCF

Three tackles – all solo – with two tackles for loss, two recovered fumbles, and a touchdown in the 48-25 win over Marshall.

20. Diego Fagot, LB Navy

Team-high seven tackles – all solo – with two sacks in the 20-17 win over Kansas State.

Special Teams:
3. Riley Patterson, PK Memphis

He hit all six of his field goal attempts – including a 51-yarder – and hit all three of his extra points in the 53-39 loss to Penn State.

Seems like the respect we are earning on the playing field. P6 Baby.

(01-15-2020 04:30 PM)USNA 77 Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 10:10 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  According to this article it looks like the Nationl perception off the AAC is changing for the better.

https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...gger-goals

- Did you know that the top half of the AAC is 22–14 vs. the Power 5?

-Fickell opposes the notion of a single, defining line separating the haves and have-nots of college football. Cincinnati is one of the few programs outside the Power 5 — along with UCF, USF and Houston — that’s arguably comparable in talent, resources, support and desirable geography.

- Everyone bought in, which is why you’ll see the AAC playing a slew of top-30 programs in the first three weeks of the 2019 season: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Washington State, Stanford, Wisconsin, Michigan State, NC State, Ohio State and Auburn.

Today's College Football News all bowl team players. AAC well represented:
Offense:
25. Brady White, QB Memphis

32-of-51 passes for 454 yards with two interceptions, and he ran for a score, in the 53-39 loss to Penn State.

13. Desmond Ridder, QB Cincinnati

14-of-24 for 95 yards and a score, and 21 carries for 105 yards and three scores, in the 38-6 win over Boston College.

7. Malcolm Perry, QB Navy

5-of-7 passes for 57 yards and a score, and 28 carries for 213 yards in the 20-17 win over Kansas State.

Defense:
23. Tre’Mon Morris-Brash, DE UCF

Three tackles – all solo – with two tackles for loss, two recovered fumbles, and a touchdown in the 48-25 win over Marshall.

20. Diego Fagot, LB Navy

Team-high seven tackles – all solo – with two sacks in the 20-17 win over Kansas State.

Special Teams:
3. Riley Patterson, PK Memphis

He hit all six of his field goal attempts – including a 51-yarder – and hit all three of his extra points in the 53-39 loss to Penn State.

Seems like the respect we are earning on the playing field. P6 Baby.

This is good, wow, we have an credible range of athletes at QB, great D despite some saying that the AAC is an offensive minded league...