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RE: BB Rosters are set ????
Below is a post from a KSU fan on our board. It's got nothing to do specifically with the upcoming season, but I think it's interesting because it includes four former MAC recruits.


(09-23-2019 02:53 PM)Older and Older Wrote:  Tallahassee Community College.

If you remember back a couple months, I noted that a number of MAC players were transferring to TCC. Well, here's another. To date, TCC has added (all from D-1 programs):

DeAndre Gholston (Kent State)
Christian Guess (Missouri)
Jordan Guest (Boston University)
Eric Hester (Akron)
Isaih Moore (College of Charleston)
Tariq Silver (Eastern Michigan)
Daivon Stephens (Eastern Michigan)

That's 7 D-1 recruits that have transferred to Tallahassee Community College to play next season. SEVEN!!!!

Granted, none of these guys made any type of impact for their teams last season but they were all D-1 recruits and two of them (Guest and Hester) were 3* recruits.
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I was bummed when Silver transferred. He had some potential as a catch-and-shoot guy. Pretty stroke, but the game seemed a little too fast for him (as it does with many freshmen). He will probably do very well in JUCO. Daivon Stephens didn’t seem like a D1 player.
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And last but not least , probabilities to win MAC championship. Preseason last year I had Buffalo at around 68% to win the MAC Championship. Pretty good bunching in probabilities this year:

1. Ball State 24%
2. BGSU 18%
3. Toledo 18%
4. Buffalo 14%
5. Kent State 11%
6. CMU 6%
7. NIU 4%
8. Akron 3%
9. Miami 1%
10. Ohio <1%
11. WMU <1%
12. EMU <1%
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typically MAC is won by the team with the best perimeter players.

this year that would appear to be buffalo with toledo bg and maybe kent next and then ball st plus niu with a puncher's chance behind german.

ball st might have the most frontcourt depth and some of those guys can slide out and shoot the ball, but i don't see a ton of true proven perimeter ballhandlers and play makers.

so, while ball st could be good. i'd still give any odds starting with buffalo and getting progressively higher with toledo bg kent ball st and niu. akron, possibly has a case with some solid guard experience. maybe, throw cmu in there but that depends on how well their new pg fits.
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(09-25-2019 04:43 AM)pono Wrote:  typically MAC is won by the team with the best perimeter players.

this year that would appear to be buffalo with toledo bg and maybe kent next and then ball st plus niu with a puncher's chance behind german.

ball st might have the most frontcourt depth and some of those guys can slide out and shoot the ball, but i don't see a ton of true proven perimeter ballhandlers and play makers.

so, while ball st could be good. i'd still give any odds starting with buffalo and getting progressively higher with toledo bg kent ball st and niu. akron, possibly has a case with some solid guard experience. maybe, throw cmu in there but that depends on how well their new pg fits.

Soooo ... you're saying 6 and maybe 7 teams are better than Ball State???
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No question you have to have good guards/perimeter players, but take a second look at the backcourt experience on that roster. The sum, I believe, is greater than the individual parts. And they have played together for a couple of years, albeit in secondary roles.
At worst ... this is a Top 4 MAC team.
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(09-25-2019 07:32 AM)cleveland Wrote:  
(09-25-2019 04:43 AM)pono Wrote:  typically MAC is won by the team with the best perimeter players.

this year that would appear to be buffalo with toledo bg and maybe kent next and then ball st plus niu with a puncher's chance behind german.

ball st might have the most frontcourt depth and some of those guys can slide out and shoot the ball, but i don't see a ton of true proven perimeter ballhandlers and play makers.

so, while ball st could be good. i'd still give any odds starting with buffalo and getting progressively higher with toledo bg kent ball st and niu. akron, possibly has a case with some solid guard experience. maybe, throw cmu in there but that depends on how well their new pg fits.

Soooo ... you're saying 6 and maybe 7 teams are better than Ball State???
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No question you have to have good guards/perimeter players, but take a second look at the backcourt experience on that roster. The sum, I believe, is greater than the individual parts. And they have played together for a couple of years, albeit in secondary roles.
At worst ... this is a Top 4 MAC team.

They were supposed to be a top 4 MAC team at worst last year and finished 5th in the West and 11th overall. They lost 2 of their 3 best players in Persons & Moses and they always seem to under perform in March when it matters most. Teague, Mallers and Walton are fine MAC players but I don't see them as a lock for top 4 in the MAC by any means.
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Out of curiosity why is everyone so high on Ball St? They went 6-12 in the MAC last season and between Persons and Moses they lost a combined 25.2 10.9 6.9 per game. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying they can't win the MAC as frankly I feel the MAC as a whole will be down and is wide open for the taking. I'm just curious where this hype for Ball St. is coming from.
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It's a paper thin separation at the top between BG/BSU/Toledo/Buffalo/. I have all these teams winning 11 or 12.games. Health will probably have a lot to say who emerges. Ball State could not stay healthy last season
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(09-25-2019 02:31 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  It's a paper thin separation at the top between BG/BSU/Toledo/Buffalo/. I have all these teams winning 11 or 12.games. Health will probably have a lot to say who emerges. Ball State could not stay healthy last season

In this era of high transfers by season it is easy to overlook all the players who return with experience for Ball State ... not like Buffalo last year, but this team has more combined experience than just about everybody in the league.

No, they haven't done it ... but neither has Bowling Green and I don't see many folks questioning them. (And I pick BG by the way that's not a knock, just a comparison.)

Fading at the end is a valid point but in a balanced league, perhaps that experience will hold up at the end. The other point is, after Toledo which has injury issues and many new faces, who else in the West is a solid $$$ bet?
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(09-25-2019 07:32 AM)cleveland Wrote:  
(09-25-2019 04:43 AM)pono Wrote:  typically MAC is won by the team with the best perimeter players.

this year that would appear to be buffalo with toledo bg and maybe kent next and then ball st plus niu with a puncher's chance behind german.

ball st might have the most frontcourt depth and some of those guys can slide out and shoot the ball, but i don't see a ton of true proven perimeter ballhandlers and play makers.

so, while ball st could be good. i'd still give any odds starting with buffalo and getting progressively higher with toledo bg kent ball st and niu. akron, possibly has a case with some solid guard experience. maybe, throw cmu in there but that depends on how well their new pg fits.

Soooo ... you're saying 6 and maybe 7 teams are better than Ball State???
Didn't know weed was legal in every state yet.
No question you have to have good guards/perimeter players, but take a second look at the backcourt experience on that roster. The sum, I believe, is greater than the individual parts. And they have played together for a couple of years, albeit in secondary roles.
At worst ... this is a Top 4 MAC team.

sooo, I'm high for saying a 6-12 team should move up into the middle of the pack and maybe sniff the lead, because that's too low of a prognostication? maybe, you need to hit this...
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So trying to analyze which teams are going to be good this year -

Who's lost a lot this year? 3 teams return less than 26ppg - Buffalo [25.3 ppg], Ohio [19.6 ppg], and EM [19.4 ppg]. Miami, BG, and Ball all return 56 ppg.

Looking at returning players who actually played last year - WM and Kent are the only teams that return 5 players who played at least 500 minutes last year. That 500 minute level shows that the players were productive last year. Unfortunately for Kent, they are only returning 5 players who played last year (though Danny Pippen was injured last year and played in 17/18). Going down to the 200 minute level - so to include supporting players from last year that might see 5-10 minutes per game - Ball and Miami have 7; WM, Toledo, NI, CM, BG, and Akron have 6. Ohio has just 3 and Buffalo 4.

Looking at returning players from the All-MAC teams - and this is depressing, but there were a lot of seniors honored last year - there are 4 - BG's Justin Turner, 1st team; NI's Eugene German, 2nd team; Miami's Nike Sibande, 3rd team; and Toledo's Marreon Jackson, who was HM. The All-freshmen team looks to all be back.

I noticed - there are 184 players on MAC rosters at this time; of these, 92 [or exactly half] didn't play at all for their team last year. 48 of these are freshmen
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(09-26-2019 07:35 AM)Slinkin Street Flash Wrote:  So trying to analyze which teams are going to be good this year -

Who's lost a lot this year? 3 teams return less than 26ppg - Buffalo [25.3 ppg], Ohio [19.6 ppg], and EM [19.4 ppg]. Miami, BG, and Ball all return 56 ppg.

Looking at returning players who actually played last year - WM and Kent are the only teams that return 5 players who played at least 500 minutes last year. That 500 minute level shows that the players were productive last year. Unfortunately for Kent, they are only returning 5 players who played last year (though Danny Pippen was injured last year and played in 17/18). Going down to the 200 minute level - so to include supporting players from last year that might see 5-10 minutes per game - Ball and Miami have 7; WM, Toledo, NI, CM, BG, and Akron have 6. Ohio has just 3 and Buffalo 4.

Looking at returning players from the All-MAC teams - and this is depressing, but there were a lot of seniors honored last year - there are 4 - BG's Justin Turner, 1st team; NI's Eugene German, 2nd team; Miami's Nike Sibande, 3rd team; and Toledo's Marreon Jackson, who was HM. The All-freshmen team looks to all be back.

I noticed - there are 184 players on MAC rosters at this time; of these, 92 [or exactly half] didn't play at all for their team last year. 48 of these are freshmen

For Ohio, they're also getting the 13.1 PPG from Jordan Dartis coming off a redshirt year. Assuming he's healthy / back to playing at the level he was previously, he also has a shot at breaking the MAC all time 3 point field goal record. As an Ohio fan, I'm excited to see how the 6 freshman Boals brought in will play together as well.
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I think CMU will finish higher than BSU ...

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My pick for the four who go straight to Cleveland (in no particular order):

Ball State
Bowling Green
Buffalo
Kent State
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(09-26-2019 05:48 PM)Dwight Wrote:  My pick for the four who go straight to Cleveland (in no particular order):

Ball State
Bowling Green
Buffalo
Kent State

No particular order? The alphabet disagrees!
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I'm rooting for Northern Illinois' Chris Johnson to have a big year, graduate, then transfer. So far, his college career is the antithesis for those who appreciate 4-year players -

2016-2017 - played at Division III Malone; 2.9ppg
2017-2018 - moved up Rt 43 to Kent State, redshirted a year
2018-2019 - played at Division II JUCO South Suburban College, 9.7ppg
2019-2020 - on the Northern Illinois roster as a redshirt junior
2020-2021 - ???

4 schools in 4 years, I'd like to see him get 5 for 5. He's a 6'7" forward who can rebound, so I'm sure he'll be able to find a place to play
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(09-20-2019 10:48 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Akron OOC games of note.

@ WVU
@ Louisville
Neutral - Tulane (Cupcake but AAC opponent)
Neutral - Liberty/Towson (Liberty would be a quality matchup, Towson not so much)
UMass (Not good, but A10 opponent)
@Marshall (Should be a solid C-USA team)

The rest of the schedule is bottom feeders.

Wish my backup was not on vacation. Akron is a possible road trip. Good luck and will see how the young roster is playing. People are high on Tre Mitchell. It's possible if Buggs is ok and a good pg, well be decent.
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(09-26-2019 07:35 AM)Slinkin Street Flash Wrote:  So trying to analyze which teams are going to be good this year -

Who's lost a lot this year? 3 teams return less than 26ppg - Buffalo [25.3 ppg], Ohio [19.6 ppg], and EM [19.4 ppg]. Miami, BG, and Ball all return 56 ppg.

Looking at returning players who actually played last year - WM and Kent are the only teams that return 5 players who played at least 500 minutes last year. That 500 minute level shows that the players were productive last year. Unfortunately for Kent, they are only returning 5 players who played last year (though Danny Pippen was injured last year and played in 17/18). Going down to the 200 minute level - so to include supporting players from last year that might see 5-10 minutes per game - Ball and Miami have 7; WM, Toledo, NI, CM, BG, and Akron have 6. Ohio has just 3 and Buffalo 4.

Looking at returning players from the All-MAC teams - and this is depressing, but there were a lot of seniors honored last year - there are 4 - BG's Justin Turner, 1st team; NI's Eugene German, 2nd team; Miami's Nike Sibande, 3rd team; and Toledo's Marreon Jackson, who was HM. The All-freshmen team looks to all be back.

I noticed - there are 184 players on MAC rosters at this time; of these, 92 [or exactly half] didn't play at all for their team last year. 48 of these are freshmen

true, the MAC is unlikely to sustain last year's stronger than usual national profile. still, there are potentially good teams and minutes returning numbers are important to dig into. buffalo, for example returns 2 of the best guards in the league-graves and jordan, guys who can matchup with anyone. they also return 2 rotation guys who didn't play big minutes because they were true freshmen, segu and williams, who are very good. and, they bring back two 5th year guys who took a rs last year-johnson and grant-who are both good. so, right there they got a core of 6 good players, plus their other transfers and recruits and returnees. toledo only returns 4 guys who played big minutes, but they are 4 key guys-m jackson, w jackson, knapke, littleson-with a ton of experience and are each among mac best at pg, rebounder, center, and perimeter defender. add in the star of their 2018 class- saunders- who took a rs behind jaelen sanford and you add in a veteran role player in alderson and you have a solid core of 6 guys not including the recruiting class. BG has almost everyone back. kent has a lot returning, plus a key guy coming back from injury, plus a big incoming class with a couple of older eligible transfers with talent. miami is in show and prove mode with most of their talented players in their prime years. niu has a 4 year starter star at lead guard and some veteran guys around him. akron has some solid veteran guards and a big and a deeper overall roster. western has a veteran team that will be improved. ohio has a good class with talented freshmen a legit grad transfer the return of a veteran guard from injury and a couple decent players back. they won't be great but they could a have a decent core group. cmu lost a pair of good guards but has a lot back too and does a good job of bringing in veteran transfer guards. i see a mac that is down a notch but not a huge one.
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