(06-25-2019 11:13 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote: I would almost suggest a counter raid here. Offer Villanova for basketball, sell Army on football, and we actually come out stronger and in a possible position to renegotiate. Plus you get a Philadelphia Big 5 rivalry into the conference (Temple-Villanova) and you can preserve the Army-Navy game. Besides, this is the American conference. What's more American than Army-Navy?
(06-25-2019 11:13 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote: I would almost suggest a counter raid here. Offer Villanova for basketball, sell Army on football, and we actually come out stronger and in a possible position to renegotiate. Plus you get a Philadelphia Big 5 rivalry into the conference (Temple-Villanova) and you can preserve the Army-Navy game. Besides, this is the American conference. What's more American than Army-Navy?
lol cluelessness
1. Nova has no reason to come to the AAC...NONE. Might as well try and get Duke or Alabama while you're at it.
2. Temple would veto any Philly 5 school as they should.
(06-25-2019 11:13 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote: I would almost suggest a counter raid here. Offer Villanova for basketball, sell Army on football, and we actually come out stronger and in a possible position to renegotiate. Plus you get a Philadelphia Big 5 rivalry into the conference (Temple-Villanova) and you can preserve the Army-Navy game. Besides, this is the American conference. What's more American than Army-Navy?
lol cluelessness
1. Nova has no reason to come to the AAC...NONE. Might as well try and get Duke or Alabama while you're at it.
2. Temple would veto any Philly 5 school as they should.
(06-25-2019 12:14 PM)templefootballfan Wrote: The easy answer is Conn FB
Replacing Conn BB will be impossible
Replacing UConn’s prestige and pedigree (4 NC’s!) is impossible, but replacing or exceeding their actual production since their last NC is very doable.
(06-25-2019 10:22 AM)Foreverandever Wrote: It's obviously not a one way street, so again I say good, with no exclusive period if I am Aresco I have people at Fox, NBC, and CBS's lobby waiting to meet, so when ESPN makes that call we can actually shop around and get input on, our value at eleven, what school adds would boost our value, and who wants to sign a six year contract. With MW still not signing we are back to being at our strongest position. We can literally pick and choose both teams and where we set our deal with out ESPN having any advantages.
So in the world you live in these networks are chomping at.the bit to give AAc a better deal? And you would choose Fox over ESPN? Thats not how business works.
That seems to be how business works. I do, however, agree with you in that I doubt we went in blind on the re-up with ESPN. Lots of money was a stake. I imagine we had an idea of the level of interest from other networks, and would have gone farther down that road had someone made a real play for us.
ESPN was the best move for the AAC. It’s still the king and everyone knows it. Aresco has been in tv for a long time. The money we are getting isn’t P5 but it’s much better and the exposure is P5 level.
UConn is making a mistake going to Fox but they’ve wanted to be back in the Big East since day 1. That said, this isn’t your daddy’s Big East anymore.
ESPN isn't king of anything, they don't even have control of their most valuable properties instead they share them with CBS (SEC) and Fox (Big 10, Big Xii, PAC). They own the ACC. They don't win the ratings war, no one watches their talking heads.
ESPN may be the best deal, but I'm not letting anyone slap me in the face, then get into my pockets for some money, and telling them thank you. You reopen the contract you reopen the contract, so if NBC or someone offers a better deal you take it and ESPN knows that in the back of their mind when they try and screw us, which they will because you know, business.
Capitalism is the system in which monetary reward is gained through exploitation (resources, labor, capital, or intelectual), I'd rather do the exploiting than be exploited.
I have to chime in with regards to your last paragraph: Capitalism is not what you say it is. Rather, it is a means of allocating goods and resources in a mutually beneficial, voluntary manner.
With this in mind and understanding free market economics, it’s never a good idea to “screw” anyone because they may turn around and do the same thing to you. Hence, conducting “good faith” business transactions is always preferable.
I’ve learned this in business. That, and to never shake hands with a Belgian... because he might not give it back to you when he’s done.
Anyway, just pick a 12th team (BYU, Army or AFA) or go to 14 teams for FB and 16 for Olympics (add three of the usual suspects out west plus Gonzaga for Olympics). That’s my two cents.
(06-25-2019 10:32 AM)baruna falls Wrote: So in the world you live in these networks are chomping at.the bit to give AAc a better deal? And you would choose Fox over ESPN? Thats not how business works.
That seems to be how business works. I do, however, agree with you in that I doubt we went in blind on the re-up with ESPN. Lots of money was a stake. I imagine we had an idea of the level of interest from other networks, and would have gone farther down that road had someone made a real play for us.
ESPN was the best move for the AAC. It’s still the king and everyone knows it. Aresco has been in tv for a long time. The money we are getting isn’t P5 but it’s much better and the exposure is P5 level.
UConn is making a mistake going to Fox but they’ve wanted to be back in the Big East since day 1. That said, this isn’t your daddy’s Big East anymore.
ESPN isn't king of anything, they don't even have control of their most valuable properties instead they share them with CBS (SEC) and Fox (Big 10, Big Xii, PAC). They own the ACC. They don't win the ratings war, no one watches their talking heads.
ESPN may be the best deal, but I'm not letting anyone slap me in the face, then get into my pockets for some money, and telling them thank you. You reopen the contract you reopen the contract, so if NBC or someone offers a better deal you take it and ESPN knows that in the back of their mind when they try and screw us, which they will because you know, business.
Capitalism is the system in which monetary reward is gained through exploitation (resources, labor, capital, or intelectual), I'd rather do the exploiting than be exploited.
I have to chime in with regards to your last paragraph: Capitalism is not what you say it is. Rather, it is a means of allocating goods and resources in a mutually beneficial, voluntary manner.
With this in mind and understanding free market economics, it’s never a good idea to “screw” anyone because they may turn around and do the same thing to you. Hence, conducting “good faith” business transactions is always preferable.
I’ve learned this in business. That, and to never shake hands with a Belgian... because he might not give it back to you when he’s done.
Anyway, just pick a 12th team (BYU, Army or AFA) or go to 14 teams for FB and 16 for Olympics (add three of the usual suspects out west plus Gonzaga for Olympics). That’s my two cents.
No that's what capitalism is, you can be nice or mean about it, but capitalism is based on profit, profit is created by exploiting the previously mentioned resources. The Belgian will smile and be polite, but he's keeping that hand the resource. That is exploitation, he is selling the hand for profit, that is capitalism.
(06-25-2019 09:49 AM)CougarRed Wrote: John Ourand of Sports Business Daily reports today that ESPN has the right to open up the AAC contract under the composition clause and seek a reduction. But they could choose not to, given that the contract is football-driven, and UConn was the worst football program.
He says a source tells him ESPN will first wait and see how the American fills the hole vacated by UConn before making any decision.
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Even if they sought a reduction, I can’t imagine that they would seek to rescind more than what UConn was going to be paid under the deal. In other words, our pro rata share would stay the same.
Thank you. My guess is ESPN will not stand idle, but partner with the AAC on a replacement (if any).
Seems like the best guess. ESPN wants 12 FB and for ESPN plus wants 12 BB.
(06-25-2019 10:45 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote: That seems to be how business works. I do, however, agree with you in that I doubt we went in blind on the re-up with ESPN. Lots of money was a stake. I imagine we had an idea of the level of interest from other networks, and would have gone farther down that road had someone made a real play for us.
ESPN was the best move for the AAC. It’s still the king and everyone knows it. Aresco has been in tv for a long time. The money we are getting isn’t P5 but it’s much better and the exposure is P5 level.
UConn is making a mistake going to Fox but they’ve wanted to be back in the Big East since day 1. That said, this isn’t your daddy’s Big East anymore.
ESPN isn't king of anything, they don't even have control of their most valuable properties instead they share them with CBS (SEC) and Fox (Big 10, Big Xii, PAC). They own the ACC. They don't win the ratings war, no one watches their talking heads.
ESPN may be the best deal, but I'm not letting anyone slap me in the face, then get into my pockets for some money, and telling them thank you. You reopen the contract you reopen the contract, so if NBC or someone offers a better deal you take it and ESPN knows that in the back of their mind when they try and screw us, which they will because you know, business.
Capitalism is the system in which monetary reward is gained through exploitation (resources, labor, capital, or intelectual), I'd rather do the exploiting than be exploited.
I have to chime in with regards to your last paragraph: Capitalism is not what you say it is. Rather, it is a means of allocating goods and resources in a mutually beneficial, voluntary manner.
With this in mind and understanding free market economics, it’s never a good idea to “screw” anyone because they may turn around and do the same thing to you. Hence, conducting “good faith” business transactions is always preferable.
I’ve learned this in business. That, and to never shake hands with a Belgian... because he might not give it back to you when he’s done.
Anyway, just pick a 12th team (BYU, Army or AFA) or go to 14 teams for FB and 16 for Olympics (add three of the usual suspects out west plus Gonzaga for Olympics). That’s my two cents.
No that's what capitalism is, you can be nice or mean about it, but capitalism is based on profit, profit is created by exploiting the previously mentioned resources. The Belgian will smile and be polite, but he's keeping that hand the resource. That is exploitation, he is selling the hand for profit, that is capitalism.
I love side-debates that have nothing to do with the subject matter of the thread LOL.
The Belgian can keep your hand either via a mutually voluntary or involuntary transaction, with the latter representing nothing more than theft. In that case, he’s acting outside of the bounds of defined free markets and Capitalism.
By definition, corruption has no place in any currently accepted economic system. It is a problem in free markets but it is not a direct result of free market practices.
(06-25-2019 10:53 AM)First Mate Wrote: ESPN was the best move for the AAC. It’s still the king and everyone knows it. Aresco has been in tv for a long time. The money we are getting isn’t P5 but it’s much better and the exposure is P5 level.
UConn is making a mistake going to Fox but they’ve wanted to be back in the Big East since day 1. That said, this isn’t your daddy’s Big East anymore.
ESPN isn't king of anything, they don't even have control of their most valuable properties instead they share them with CBS (SEC) and Fox (Big 10, Big Xii, PAC). They own the ACC. They don't win the ratings war, no one watches their talking heads.
ESPN may be the best deal, but I'm not letting anyone slap me in the face, then get into my pockets for some money, and telling them thank you. You reopen the contract you reopen the contract, so if NBC or someone offers a better deal you take it and ESPN knows that in the back of their mind when they try and screw us, which they will because you know, business.
Capitalism is the system in which monetary reward is gained through exploitation (resources, labor, capital, or intelectual), I'd rather do the exploiting than be exploited.
I have to chime in with regards to your last paragraph: Capitalism is not what you say it is. Rather, it is a means of allocating goods and resources in a mutually beneficial, voluntary manner.
With this in mind and understanding free market economics, it’s never a good idea to “screw” anyone because they may turn around and do the same thing to you. Hence, conducting “good faith” business transactions is always preferable.
I’ve learned this in business. That, and to never shake hands with a Belgian... because he might not give it back to you when he’s done.
Anyway, just pick a 12th team (BYU, Army or AFA) or go to 14 teams for FB and 16 for Olympics (add three of the usual suspects out west plus Gonzaga for Olympics). That’s my two cents.
No that's what capitalism is, you can be nice or mean about it, but capitalism is based on profit, profit is created by exploiting the previously mentioned resources. The Belgian will smile and be polite, but he's keeping that hand the resource. That is exploitation, he is selling the hand for profit, that is capitalism.
I love side-debates that have nothing to do with the subject matter of the thread LOL.
The Belgian can keep your hand either via a mutually voluntary or involuntary transaction, with the latter representing nothing more than theft. In that case, he’s acting outside of the bounds of defined free markets and Capitalism.
By definition, corruption has no place in any currently accepted economic system. It is a problem in free markets but it is not a direct result of free market practices.
Let’s get back to sports, Communist Heathen.
Theft assumes regulations, that's not a true free market....didn't say I was against capatilism, just defined it. But back to the bread and circus for us.
Nobody is taking advice from the school throwing away a century of history to focus on social justice warrior teachings (Tulsa President’s terminology not mine).
(06-25-2019 07:19 PM)Pony94 Wrote: Nobody is taking advice from the school throwing away a century of history to focus on social justice warrior teachings (Tulsa President’s terminology not mine).
(06-25-2019 10:45 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote: That seems to be how business works. I do, however, agree with you in that I doubt we went in blind on the re-up with ESPN. Lots of money was a stake. I imagine we had an idea of the level of interest from other networks, and would have gone farther down that road had someone made a real play for us.
ESPN was the best move for the AAC. It’s still the king and everyone knows it. Aresco has been in tv for a long time. The money we are getting isn’t P5 but it’s much better and the exposure is P5 level.
UConn is making a mistake going to Fox but they’ve wanted to be back in the Big East since day 1. That said, this isn’t your daddy’s Big East anymore.
ESPN isn't king of anything, they don't even have control of their most valuable properties instead they share them with CBS (SEC) and Fox (Big 10, Big Xii, PAC). They own the ACC. They don't win the ratings war, no one watches their talking heads.
ESPN may be the best deal, but I'm not letting anyone slap me in the face, then get into my pockets for some money, and telling them thank you. You reopen the contract you reopen the contract, so if NBC or someone offers a better deal you take it and ESPN knows that in the back of their mind when they try and screw us, which they will because you know, business.
Capitalism is the system in which monetary reward is gained through exploitation (resources, labor, capital, or intelectual), I'd rather do the exploiting than be exploited.
I have to chime in with regards to your last paragraph: Capitalism is not what you say it is. Rather, it is a means of allocating goods and resources in a mutually beneficial, voluntary manner.
With this in mind and understanding free market economics, it’s never a good idea to “screw” anyone because they may turn around and do the same thing to you. Hence, conducting “good faith” business transactions is always preferable.
I’ve learned this in business. That, and to never shake hands with a Belgian... because he might not give it back to you when he’s done.
Anyway, just pick a 12th team (BYU, Army or AFA) or go to 14 teams for FB and 16 for Olympics (add three of the usual suspects out west plus Gonzaga for Olympics). That’s my two cents.
No that's what capitalism is, you can be nice or mean about it, but capitalism is based on profit, profit is created by exploiting the previously mentioned resources. The Belgian will smile and be polite, but he's keeping that hand the resource. That is exploitation, he is selling the hand for profit, that is capitalism.
(06-25-2019 10:53 AM)First Mate Wrote: ESPN was the best move for the AAC. It’s still the king and everyone knows it. Aresco has been in tv for a long time. The money we are getting isn’t P5 but it’s much better and the exposure is P5 level.
UConn is making a mistake going to Fox but they’ve wanted to be back in the Big East since day 1. That said, this isn’t your daddy’s Big East anymore.
ESPN isn't king of anything, they don't even have control of their most valuable properties instead they share them with CBS (SEC) and Fox (Big 10, Big Xii, PAC). They own the ACC. They don't win the ratings war, no one watches their talking heads.
ESPN may be the best deal, but I'm not letting anyone slap me in the face, then get into my pockets for some money, and telling them thank you. You reopen the contract you reopen the contract, so if NBC or someone offers a better deal you take it and ESPN knows that in the back of their mind when they try and screw us, which they will because you know, business.
Capitalism is the system in which monetary reward is gained through exploitation (resources, labor, capital, or intelectual), I'd rather do the exploiting than be exploited.
I have to chime in with regards to your last paragraph: Capitalism is not what you say it is. Rather, it is a means of allocating goods and resources in a mutually beneficial, voluntary manner.
With this in mind and understanding free market economics, it’s never a good idea to “screw” anyone because they may turn around and do the same thing to you. Hence, conducting “good faith” business transactions is always preferable.
I’ve learned this in business. That, and to never shake hands with a Belgian... because he might not give it back to you when he’s done.
Anyway, just pick a 12th team (BYU, Army or AFA) or go to 14 teams for FB and 16 for Olympics (add three of the usual suspects out west plus Gonzaga for Olympics). That’s my two cents.
No that's what capitalism is, you can be nice or mean about it, but capitalism is based on profit, profit is created by exploiting the previously mentioned resources. The Belgian will smile and be polite, but he's keeping that hand the resource. That is exploitation, he is selling the hand for profit, that is capitalism.
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