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Dead silence from ESPN, AAC, & FB schools.
I don't think Conn FB going anywhere
Let SNY pay Conn & split the money
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RE: Navy AD Speaks
To the Navy AD's point, there aren't many schools that will add value at this point.

I suppose there is a chance that ESPN could talk BYU into that move since ESPN is already their overlord, but I don't think that's likely.

Boise State has no reason to make that move...same for Air Force.

I think Army is a realistic candidate, but that would make the Army/Navy game a conference affair and would everyone go for that? You'd have to put them in the same division so they didn't play twice and you'd have to give the game an earlier date. All very doable, but will the powers that be want to give up their exclusive time slot to become another regular season game?
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RE: Navy AD Speaks
(06-24-2019 09:15 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 08:20 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 08:08 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Some good info there.

Apparently, ESPN pays the American the same (or virtually the same) pot of money whether UConn is in the league or not.

I guess ESPN doesn't value schools who go 11-37 over six years of American football league play.

But But But UCONN was our most valuable brand. Is ESPN gone crazy!?!?04-jawdrop

I think some on here misunderstand the usage and meaning of the term brand.
The strongest brand is not necessarily the one that goes undefeated and appears in a NY6 bowl, nor is it necessarily the one that recently made a Sweet 16. UConn has had the highest levels of corporate sponsorship, advertising and licensing in the AAC. They clearly were the most valuable brand in that conference.

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Hey explain that to ESPN. They're the ones that determined that the American is worth this amount with or without UCONN men/women basketball,,,,,But hey fox might decide that they're worth another figure, who knows. I remember hearing on these boards way back during the 1st contract when an unknown conference with no name got 2mil a team and the 7 teams that left them got 4mil per and the everyone shouted that "you are worth what someone is willing to pay you". Well,,,, here it is. 07-coffee3
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(06-24-2019 09:31 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 09:27 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 09:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 09:12 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 08:46 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I thought such hybrid deals were the devil...

Only when it's between two evil entities 05-stirthepot

So UConn and the Big East are evil ? 05-stirthepot

I do find it ironic that a fan base (UConn) who incessantly trashed ND's hybrid deals and football independence are now embracing it as a great idea and one that works for.....them.

Well they aren't apples to apples. The Big East doesn't have FB unlike the ACC.

They trashed the very concept of putting all other sports in a conference and having football be independent.

Their stance was consistently that FBS football programs needed to "join a conference".

So, its the same.
That's how they felt when they were hoping to ride Notre Dames' coattails into the ACC. 07-coffee3
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RE: Navy AD Speaks
(06-24-2019 10:11 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 09:51 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 08:38 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  To me the top choices for the AAC are Buffalo, ODU, Army (if they even want to be in a conference), UAB and WKU.

There are, at most, only four schools who will be offered UConn's spot:

Army, Air Force, BYU and Boise

If none of those come, the American will stand pat and each member will share part of UConn's TV money.

Once again, you will never see any MAC, CUSA, Sun Belt or independent school not named BYU or Army replacing UConn.

Thats not true, you aren't in charge of making that decision ESPN is. You just signed a 1 billion dollar contract with them they own you. BYU, Boise and Air Force aren't coming. The choice will underwhelm you, if you think otherwise then you haven't been paying attention to how this story plays out. It will be a MAC or CUSA school or Army if they decide to actually join a conference.
Wow,,,Dude smoke one drink one and calm down. It's not personal. 07-coffee307-coffee3
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(06-24-2019 10:11 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Thats not true, you aren't in charge of making that decision ESPN is. You just signed a 1 billion dollar contract with them they own you. BYU, Boise and Air Force aren't coming. The choice will underwhelm you, if you think otherwise then you haven't been paying attention to how this story plays out. It will be a MAC or CUSA school or Army if they decide to actually join a conference.

Silly to raid conference you already own to be replaced by a lower valued replacement, when you could raid a conference with a CBS Sports deal. Especially when that also lines up with a chance to pick a school in a local area with a growing share of US population rather than declining or stable population and shrinking population share.
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(06-24-2019 11:34 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  To the Navy AD's point, there aren't many schools that will add value at this point.

I suppose there is a chance that ESPN could talk BYU into that move since ESPN is already their overlord, but I don't think that's likely.

Boise State has no reason to make that move...same for Air Force.

I think Army is a realistic candidate, but that would make the Army/Navy game a conference affair and would everyone go for that? You'd have to put them in the same division so they didn't play twice and you'd have to give the game an earlier date. All very doable, but will the powers that be want to give up their exclusive time slot to become another regular season game?
Well the thing with Boise is that even though they have a sweetheart deal with the Mwc, their TV negotiations have cratered and they can't get a new deal done. 7mill sure looks purty standing next to 1.8mill.04-cheers
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RE: Navy AD Speaks
(06-24-2019 10:11 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 09:51 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 08:38 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  To me the top choices for the AAC are Buffalo, ODU, Army (if they even want to be in a conference), UAB and WKU.

There are, at most, only four schools who will be offered UConn's spot:

Army, Air Force, BYU and Boise

If none of those come, the American will stand pat and each member will share part of UConn's TV money.

Once again, you will never see any MAC, CUSA, Sun Belt or independent school not named BYU or Army replacing UConn.

Thats not true, you aren't in charge of making that decision ESPN is. You just signed a 1 billion dollar contract with them they own you. BYU, Boise and Air Force aren't coming. The choice will underwhelm you, if you think otherwise then you haven't been paying attention to how this story plays out. It will be a MAC or CUSA school or Army if they decide to actually join a conference.

And frankly—last I checked—you aren’t in charge of the selection either. I agree—ESPN will have a huge hand in selection. They already have the rights to all the MAC/CUSA/SB schools for 500K each. No need to pay any of them 7 million. If ESPN is at the controls—dont be surprised if it’s a MW school—where they are currently in negotiations. That’s a good way to get first tier tights for a team they want while knocking down the value of the entire package. Nobody knows that ESPN trick better than former Big East schools.
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(06-25-2019 12:09 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 11:34 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  To the Navy AD's point, there aren't many schools that will add value at this point.

I suppose there is a chance that ESPN could talk BYU into that move since ESPN is already their overlord, but I don't think that's likely.

Boise State has no reason to make that move...same for Air Force.

I think Army is a realistic candidate, but that would make the Army/Navy game a conference affair and would everyone go for that? You'd have to put them in the same division so they didn't play twice and you'd have to give the game an earlier date. All very doable, but will the powers that be want to give up their exclusive time slot to become another regular season game?
Well the thing with Boise is that even though they have a sweetheart deal with the Mwc, their TV negotiations have cratered and they can't get a new deal done. 7mill sure looks purty standing next to 1.8mill.04-cheers

Except that BSU won't get paid $7 million as a football-only member of the AAC; their share will be more like $4 million. Meanwhile the MWC is due for a raise which conservatively should be worth $3 million per school and potentially more for BSU. So does BSU throw its non-football sports under the bus and significantly increase its football road travel for a no more than million dollar raise? Very doubtful.
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Yikes at some of these C-USA/MAC/even Sun Belt schools I thought I seen on the last page. The only teams worth considering for the AAC are Army/BYU/Boise State/Air Force.
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(06-25-2019 12:23 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 10:11 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 09:51 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 08:38 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  To me the top choices for the AAC are Buffalo, ODU, Army (if they even want to be in a conference), UAB and WKU.

There are, at most, only four schools who will be offered UConn's spot:

Army, Air Force, BYU and Boise

If none of those come, the American will stand pat and each member will share part of UConn's TV money.

Once again, you will never see any MAC, CUSA, Sun Belt or independent school not named BYU or Army replacing UConn.

Thats not true, you aren't in charge of making that decision ESPN is. You just signed a 1 billion dollar contract with them they own you. BYU, Boise and Air Force aren't coming. The choice will underwhelm you, if you think otherwise then you haven't been paying attention to how this story plays out. It will be a MAC or CUSA school or Army if they decide to actually join a conference.

And frankly—last I checked—you aren’t in charge of the selection either. I agree—ESPN will have a huge hand in selection. They already have the rights to all the MAC/CUSA/SB schools for 500K each. No need to pay any of them 7 million. If ESPN is at the controls—dont be surprised if it’s a MW school—where they are currently in negotiations. That’s a good way to get first tier tights for a team they want while knocking down the value of the entire package. Nobody knows that ESPN trick better than former Big East schools.

Exactly. ESPN does "own" the AAC, but why would they want to take properties they also own for nothing and add them to the AAC and pay them like 10x more? ESPN is going to look at this as a business decision and what makes the most sense for their bottom line. From everything that's come out it doesn't sound like they have a legal leg to stand on to void the AAC deal, or even really to drastically drop it from UCONN leaving. ESPN already owns all of Buffalo's content for pennies, why would they want to move them to another wholly owned entity and pay multiple times more for it? The only additions that make strategic sense from both the AAC and ESPN's perspective are entities that either they don't wholly own (Air Force, Boise, Army) or from an entity they own but could maybe save some money by lumping it into the AAC deal (BYU).
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(06-25-2019 06:22 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 12:23 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  ESPN will have a huge hand in selection. They already have the rights to all the MAC/CUSA/SB schools for 500K each. No need to pay any of them 7 million. If ESPN is at the controls—dont be surprised if it’s a MW school—where they are currently in negotiations. That’s a good way to get first tier tights for a team they want while knocking down the value of the entire package. Nobody knows that ESPN trick better than former Big East schools.

Exactly. ESPN does "own" the AAC, but why would they want to take properties they also own for nothing and add them to the AAC and pay them like 10x more? ESPN is going to look at this as a business decision and what makes the most sense for their bottom line. From everything that's come out it doesn't sound like they have a legal leg to stand on to void the AAC deal, or even really to drastically drop it from UCONN leaving. ESPN already owns all of Buffalo's content for pennies, why would they want to move them to another wholly owned entity and pay multiple times more for it? The only additions that make strategic sense from both the AAC and ESPN's perspective are entities that either they don't wholly own (Air Force, Boise, Army) or from an entity they own but could maybe save some money by lumping it into the AAC deal (BYU).

Exactly why I said what I said. Allow me to repeat:

There are, at most, only four schools who will be offered UConn's spot:

Army, Air Force, BYU and Boise

I would add that if certain other MWC schools applied (say Colo St), they would be strongly considered. But I could not predict what the verdict would be because their TV ratings aren't particularly strong.
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Never declarations are for fools but as I've said repeatedly. There is no one in 2019 that fits AAC's branding position except for Army, BYU, and upper MWC none of whom seem likely to move. But never? Yeah once upon a time it seemed likely that a "member of the club" would NEVER get kicked to the curb to fend for themselves.
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(06-24-2019 07:23 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Putting independence to bed.








I assume by "putting independence to bed" you mean independence for Navy, not UConn. I must have missed the part where the Navy AD addressed either topic.
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(06-24-2019 10:29 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Dead silence from ESPN, AAC, & FB schools.
I don't think Conn FB going anywhere
Let SNY pay Conn & split the money

UConn FB is NOT staying in the AAC. Navy AD already said that publicly.
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(06-24-2019 10:29 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Dead silence from ESPN, AAC, & FB schools.
I don't think Conn FB going anywhere
Let SNY pay Conn & split the money

There’s no way the AAC will let UConn keep their football team there. They’re not Notre Dame or even BYU. UConn football sucks
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(06-25-2019 10:14 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 10:29 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Dead silence from ESPN, AAC, & FB schools.
I don't think Conn FB going anywhere
Let SNY pay Conn & split the money

There’s no way the AAC will let UConn keep their football team there. They’re not Notre Dame or even BYU. UConn football sucks

Sucks is being kind. More like worst in FBS. And reportedly, CUSA and the MAC are not interested in UConn football, so why should the AAC be, and give that program about a 70% share just for football?
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(06-24-2019 09:15 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 08:20 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 08:08 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Some good info there.

Apparently, ESPN pays the American the same (or virtually the same) pot of money whether UConn is in the league or not.

I guess ESPN doesn't value schools who go 11-37 over six years of American football league play.

But But But UCONN was our most valuable brand. Is ESPN gone crazy!?!?04-jawdrop

I think some on here misunderstand the usage and meaning of the term brand.
The strongest brand is not necessarily the one that goes undefeated and appears in a NY6 bowl, nor is it necessarily the one that recently made a Sweet 16. UConn has had the highest levels of corporate sponsorship, advertising and licensing in the AAC. They clearly were the most valuable brand in that conference.

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Golden Warrior, where did you find
that information about corporate sponsorship, advertising, and licensing?? I would like to look up some other NCAA teams that are not in the AAC.
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(06-25-2019 10:19 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 09:15 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 08:20 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 08:08 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Some good info there.

Apparently, ESPN pays the American the same (or virtually the same) pot of money whether UConn is in the league or not.

I guess ESPN doesn't value schools who go 11-37 over six years of American football league play.

But But But UCONN was our most valuable brand. Is ESPN gone crazy!?!?04-jawdrop

I think some on here misunderstand the usage and meaning of the term brand.
The strongest brand is not necessarily the one that goes undefeated and appears in a NY6 bowl, nor is it necessarily the one that recently made a Sweet 16. UConn has had the highest levels of corporate sponsorship, advertising and licensing in the AAC. They clearly were the most valuable brand in that conference.

[Image: D9xPIYkX4AA7ilO.jpg:large]

Golden Warrior, where did you find
that information about corporate sponsorship, advertising, and licensing?? I would like to look up some other NCAA teams that are not in the AAC.

Same here!
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(06-25-2019 09:54 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 07:23 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Putting independence to bed.








I assume by "putting independence to bed" you mean independence for Navy, not UConn. I must have missed the part where the Navy AD addressed either topic.

Yeah, you missed it.
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