Given the news of UCONN ... how does this sound for a hardball play:

Cincinnati is given an ACC invite ... but with a payout that splits the difference between the AAC and ACC payouts for the next 10 years. That leftover money is distributed among the rest of the ACC members That's probably less money than Rutgers and Maryland had to leave behind to join the B1G. Everybody should get more money. The ACC adds Ohio to the in-state ACCN rate and gets another major media market and a much needed travel partner and rival for Louisville.

(06-24-2019 09:57 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Given the news of UCONN ... how does this sound for a hardball play:

Cincinnati is given an ACC invite ... but with a payout that splits the difference between the AAC and ACC payouts for the next 10 years. That leftover money is distributed among the rest of the ACC members That's probably less money than Rutgers and Maryland had to leave behind to join the B1G. Everybody should get more money. The ACC adds Ohio to the in-state ACCN rate and gets another major media market and a much needed travel partner and rival for Louisville.

You could play harder ball than this ...

Invite Cincy to the ACC, at the current AAC payout for ten years. Then a full ACC share after that.

Cincy would be foolish to NOT take that deal. In fact, I bet if you poll their message board on this deal, the majority would jump at it.


Instead of Tulane on their schedule, they get Florida State.
Instead of East Carolina on their schedule, they get North Carolina.
Instead of Temple, they get Duke.
Oh ... and by the way ... they get to renew their hatred of Louisville, which has been on hold for a while.

- Their season tickets instantly sell out, and they could even charge a higher price for those tickets.
- They get on the ACC Network.
- They get to stick it to Ohio State, which has actively tried to "keep them down" forever.
- They get to tell Mick Cronin to shove it, as they are now in the big boys club.
- They get to tell Luke Fickell "why change jobs? You're in the big boy club now."
- ALL sports instantly upgrade.


The ACC gets access to Ohio. And suddenly Ohio State gets increased competition for recruits in the Buckeye state ... from not only Cincy, but Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, and other ACC schools that can market games in their home state.


It wouldn't necessarily be a win-win, but Cincy would jump at that invite.

(06-24-2019 10:50 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 09:57 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Given the news of UCONN ... how does this sound for a hardball play:

Cincinnati is given an ACC invite ... but with a payout that splits the difference between the AAC and ACC payouts for the next 10 years. That leftover money is distributed among the rest of the ACC members That's probably less money than Rutgers and Maryland had to leave behind to join the B1G. Everybody should get more money. The ACC adds Ohio to the in-state ACCN rate and gets another major media market and a much needed travel partner and rival for Louisville.

You could play harder ball than this ...

Invite Cincy to the ACC, at the current AAC payout for ten years. Then a full ACC share after that.

Cincy would be foolish to NOT take that deal. In fact, I bet if you poll their message board on this deal, the majority would jump at it.


Instead of Tulane on their schedule, they get Florida State.
Instead of East Carolina on their schedule, they get North Carolina.
Instead of Temple, they get Duke.
Oh ... and by the way ... they get to renew their hatred of Louisville, which has been on hold for a while.

- Their season tickets instantly sell out, and they could even charge a higher price for those tickets.
- They get on the ACC Network.
- They get to stick it to Ohio State, which has actively tried to "keep them down" forever.
- They get to tell Mick Cronin to shove it, as they are now in the big boys club.
- They get to tell Luke Fickell "why change jobs? You're in the big boy club now."
- ALL sports instantly upgrade.


The ACC gets access to Ohio. And suddenly Ohio State gets increased competition for recruits in the Buckeye state ... from not only Cincy, but Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, and other ACC schools that can market games in their home state.


It wouldn't necessarily be a win-win, but Cincy would jump at that invite.

If divisionless scheduling is approved, I think this would be worth considering (at 15 teams for FB). I just don't see a viable 16th team unless it was Notre Dame.

(06-24-2019 10:50 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 09:57 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Given the news of UCONN ... how does this sound for a hardball play:

Cincinnati is given an ACC invite ... but with a payout that splits the difference between the AAC and ACC payouts for the next 10 years. That leftover money is distributed among the rest of the ACC members That's probably less money than Rutgers and Maryland had to leave behind to join the B1G. Everybody should get more money. The ACC adds Ohio to the in-state ACCN rate and gets another major media market and a much needed travel partner and rival for Louisville.

You could play harder ball than this ...

Invite Cincy to the ACC, at the current AAC payout for ten years. Then a full ACC share after that.

Cincy would be foolish to NOT take that deal. In fact, I bet if you poll their message board on this deal, the majority would jump at it.


Instead of Tulane on their schedule, they get Florida State.
Instead of East Carolina on their schedule, they get North Carolina.
Instead of Temple, they get Duke.
Oh ... and by the way ... they get to renew their hatred of Louisville, which has been on hold for a while.

- Their season tickets instantly sell out, and they could even charge a higher price for those tickets.
- They get on the ACC Network.
- They get to stick it to Ohio State, which has actively tried to "keep them down" forever.
- They get to tell Mick Cronin to shove it, as they are now in the big boys club.
- They get to tell Luke Fickell "why change jobs? You're in the big boy club now."
- ALL sports instantly upgrade.


The ACC gets access to Ohio. And suddenly Ohio State gets increased competition for recruits in the Buckeye state ... from not only Cincy, but Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, and other ACC schools that can market games in their home state.


It wouldn't necessarily be a win-win, but Cincy would jump at that invite.

Just make it happen.

I don’t want to pick apart the AAC, leave them be. As a token of our peace we offer them Wake Forest.

(06-24-2019 12:49 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I don’t want to pick apart the AAC, leave them be. As a token of our peace we offer them Wake Forest.

There are only about 3 schools (ND, Penn State, Texas) that would add any money to the ACC. Cinci isn't close to being one of them.

...............ummmm no, to the topic!

I'm with nole on this one!!!

(06-24-2019 02:04 PM)nole Wrote:  There are only about 3 schools (ND, Penn State, Texas) that would add any money to the ACC. Cinci isn't close to being one of them.

You got it.

No need to tinker. And, if you do, shoot above what you have. Don't settle (for purgatory).

(06-24-2019 02:42 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  You got it.

No need to tinker. And, if you do, shoot above what you have. Don't settle (for purgatory).

There is the "corporate merger strategy" vis-a-vis Fuhrer Mickey reshuffling assets he more or less owns outright in the three big conferences. But if you think the NCAA is a dark side just wait until you see what Disney can do.

I just want to be clear, I do not hate Cinci and think they are one of the most valuable members of the AAC, probably more valuable than a few existing ACC members. If ESPN wants to help keep the AAC a viable conference they could encourage the ACC and SEC to play the AAC teams in a 1-1 deals. Of course, I don’t know how far ESPN tampering will go. It seems to me that it’s in ESPNs best interest for the AAC to be a P6 conference and strengthen their position so they are in a position to be the hunter and not the hunted.

It's always humorous to me how much crap folks throw at ESPN, but they darn well take their money while they provide visibility at the highest levels, promote their universities, etc.

Very odd.

Reminds me of a bitter old man yelling at the clouds. We got in bed with ESPN because they pay better than any of the other johns we could've hooked up with. Smoke a cigarette, act like you enjoy it, and move on.

These kids today with their rock 'n roll, long hair, baggy pants, multi-million dollar deals and TV exposure. Who needs 'em? BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

(06-24-2019 02:04 PM)nole Wrote:  There are only about 3 schools (ND, Penn State, Texas) that would add any money to the ACC. Cinci isn't close to being one of them.

Notre Dame will NEVER become a full member of The ACC. That’s a pipe dream.

Penn State isn’t worth the headache. Everything but football sucks at PSU. Don’t see their Olympic Sports adding much to The ACC Network.

Texas, on the other hand, would be an excellent associate member like Notre Dame. Their Olympic Sports would be a welcome addition to The ACC Network. Easy to roll The LHN into The ACC Network.

I’m prettttyy sure Ohio State didn’t suffer AT ALL during the time Cincinnati was in a BCS conference, so that argument is a big fail.

A wise strategy would be to NOT increase competition for Pitt and Louisville on the recruiting trail by promoting another school in their general region.

This isn’t rocket science, we don’t need teams rejected by the Big XII eating our pie without bringing any more to the round table! C’mon man!

(06-24-2019 09:29 PM)esayem Wrote:  I’m prettttyy sure Ohio State didn’t suffer AT ALL during the time Cincinnati was in a BCS conference, so that argument is a big fail.

A wise strategy would be to NOT increase competition for Pitt and Louisville on the recruiting trail by promoting another school in their general region.

This isn’t rocket science, we don’t need teams rejected by the Big XII eating our pie without bringing any more to the round table! C’mon man!

Amen!

I'm glad the ACC Leadership and the Presidents, Athletic Directors and Faculty Reps at the 15 member institutions aren't sitting around trying to lower the standards we have in place now or wasting a lot of time trying to configure the 500 thousand different permutations of divisional alignments.

(06-24-2019 03:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 02:42 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  You got it.

No need to tinker. And, if you do, shoot above what you have. Don't settle (for purgatory).

There is the "corporate merger strategy" vis-a-vis Fuhrer Mickey reshuffling assets he more or less owns outright in the three big conferences. But if you think the NCAA is a dark side just wait until you see what Disney can do.

When you see that the ACC is sending NC State to the SEC in return for Vanderbilt, then you will know that the Mouse shuffle is "ON".
If the Mouse is going to reshuffle assets, then it only makes sense to start splitting additional states so that dual marketing can take place in Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Kentucky and Tennessee, but I'm personally drawing the line at having to accept a school from the State of Alabama for Virginia Tech....we have been soiled enough.

(06-25-2019 07:27 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 03:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 02:42 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  You got it.

No need to tinker. And, if you do, shoot above what you have. Don't settle (for purgatory).

There is the "corporate merger strategy" vis-a-vis Fuhrer Mickey reshuffling assets he more or less owns outright in the three big conferences. But if you think the NCAA is a dark side just wait until you see what Disney can do.

When you see that the ACC is sending NC State to the SEC in return for Vanderbilt, then you will know that the Mouse shuffle is "ON".
If the Mouse is going to reshuffle assets, then it only makes sense to start splitting additional states so that dual marketing can take place in Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Kentucky and Tennessee, but I'm personally drawing the line at having to accept a school from the State of Alabama for Virginia Tech....we have been soiled enough.

Disney/ESPN isn't shuffling anything. They don't have that kind of power and there are long-binding contracts by the member institutions that are much more powerful than a TV network partnership.

(06-25-2019 05:29 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 09:29 PM)esayem Wrote:  I’m prettttyy sure Ohio State didn’t suffer AT ALL during the time Cincinnati was in a BCS conference, so that argument is a big fail.

A wise strategy would be to NOT increase competition for Pitt and Louisville on the recruiting trail by promoting another school in their general region.

This isn’t rocket science, we don’t need teams rejected by the Big XII eating our pie without bringing any more to the round table! C’mon man!

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Amen!

I'm glad the ACC Leadership and the Presidents, Athletic Directors and Faculty Reps at the 15 member institutions aren't sitting around trying to lower the standards we have in place now or wasting a lot of time trying to configure the 500 thousand different permutations of divisional alignments.

Dude, you are a James Madison fan, get off your high horse.

And FWIW, I understand the reasons why UC will never be invited to the ACC

(06-25-2019 08:08 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 05:29 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 09:29 PM)esayem Wrote:  I’m prettttyy sure Ohio State didn’t suffer AT ALL during the time Cincinnati was in a BCS conference, so that argument is a big fail.

A wise strategy would be to NOT increase competition for Pitt and Louisville on the recruiting trail by promoting another school in their general region.

This isn’t rocket science, we don’t need teams rejected by the Big XII eating our pie without bringing any more to the round table! C’mon man!

.
Amen!

I'm glad the ACC Leadership and the Presidents, Athletic Directors and Faculty Reps at the 15 member institutions aren't sitting around trying to lower the standards we have in place now or wasting a lot of time trying to configure the 500 thousand different permutations of divisional alignments.

Dude, you are a James Madison fan, get off your high horse.

And FWIW, I understand the reasons why UC will never be invited to the ACC

I am a proud fan of JMU indeed. I am also a proud fan of the ACC. And, I'm an alum of an ACC institution. What any of that has to do with anything is beyond me. Completely irrelevant on all counts. Not on any high horse. Just agreeing with esayem's commentary. Good luck to you and Cincy.