(06-23-2019 09:55 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 09:24 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 09:06 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 07:46 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  What made you rank MTSU, UTEP, and WKU ahead of Marshall in terms of market?

Huntington-Charleston media market is bigger than all 3 of theirs. Please don't try to add MTSU in with Nashville.

If you're including charleston why shouldnt they be allowed to include Nashville? Theyre closer to nashville than Marshall is to Charleston.

I'm not the one including Charleston. That's how Nielsen has them. Just like they do with a lot of other areas.

MT is in the Nashville-Murfeesboro-Franklin metropolitan area. We are definitely in the Nashville market. Its absurd to argue otherwise but somehow I suspect you will.

No I'm not. I checked and I admitted I was wrong earlier in this thread.

(06-23-2019 10:25 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 09:55 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 09:24 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 09:06 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 07:46 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  What made you rank MTSU, UTEP, and WKU ahead of Marshall in terms of market?

Huntington-Charleston media market is bigger than all 3 of theirs. Please don't try to add MTSU in with Nashville.

If you're including charleston why shouldnt they be allowed to include Nashville? Theyre closer to nashville than Marshall is to Charleston.

I'm not the one including Charleston. That's how Nielsen has them. Just like they do with a lot of other areas.

MT is in the Nashville-Murfeesboro-Franklin metropolitan area. We are definitely in the Nashville market. Its absurd to argue otherwise but somehow I suspect you will.

No I'm not. I checked and I admitted I was wrong earlier in this thread.

Yeah, we settled that question a while back.

ONLY doing top 6: I seriously doubt we expand but BYU + VCU/Dayton would be #1 option.

1. ODU
2. Charlotte
3. UAB
4. UNT
5. UTSA
6. FAU

W. Kentucky would be #7
Marshall academic admissions are not up to AAC standards
S. Miss is too broke to remotely compete at AAC-level.
FIU facilities need to be torn down
Rice can't get the budget needed.
UTEP can't get the budget needed.
L. Tech is not an Urban university and not near the Airport so travel is PITA.

(06-23-2019 10:45 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  ONLY doing top 6: I seriously doubt we expand but BYU + VCU/Dayton would be #1 option.

1. ODU
2. Charlotte
3. UAB
4. UNT
5. UTSA
6. FAU

W. Kentucky would be #7
Marshall academic admissions are not up to AAC standards
S. Miss is too broke to remotely compete at AAC-level.
FIU facilities need to be torn down
Rice can't get the budget needed.
UTEP can't get the budget needed.
L. Tech is not an Urban university and not near the Airport so travel is PITA.

Rice has an endowment larger than the ego of the typical UCF fan.

They can play a decade with no profit, and be fine.

Marshall and academics? Are you talking about grey shirts/props?

I’m of the opinion they have a place, but that’s an entirely too long philosophical discussion...

(06-23-2019 10:45 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  ONLY doing top 6: I seriously doubt we expand but BYU + VCU/Dayton would be #1 option.

1. ODU
2. Charlotte
3. UAB
4. UNT
5. UTSA
6. FAU

W. Kentucky would be #7
Marshall academic admissions are not up to AAC standards
S. Miss is too broke to remotely compete at AAC-level.
FIU facilities need to be torn down
Rice can't get the budget needed.
UTEP can't get the budget needed.
L. Tech is not an Urban university and not near the Airport so travel is PITA.

I love flat out ignorant comments like this. You just informed everyone that you don’t know what you are talking about.

(06-23-2019 10:53 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:45 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  

Marshall and academics? Are you talking about grey shirts/props?

I’m of the opinion they have a place, but that’s an entirely too long philosophical discussion...

Yes not allowed in AAC, NCAA minimum is minimum for admission to the university.

(06-23-2019 10:45 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  Marshall academic admissions are not up to AAC standards

They don't like National Research Universities?

(06-23-2019 11:37 PM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:45 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  

I love flat out ignorant comments like this. You just informed everyone that you don’t know what you are talking about.

(06-23-2019 11:38 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:53 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:45 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  

Marshall and academics? Are you talking about grey shirts/props?

I’m of the opinion they have a place, but that’s an entirely too long philosophical discussion...

Yes not allowed in AAC, NCAA minimum is minimum for admission to the university.

S.Miss needs to double its budget, needs to quit bitching about $ if they have so much $$$. The years of bitching about $$ is not a good look for a school who wants to move up. If they have the $ they should start spending all they find bc in AAC it is expected to improve your facilities and increase your budget. The few million increases in AAC contract will be less than the expected budget increase from S.Miss current level.

As for Marshall, everybody is Carnegie classification school so that means nothing. Most of AAC has been in conference with Marshall and Presidents/Boosters have seen who they get on their team. MU has had a competitive advantage yet people know MU can't pull that in AAC; so that's a huge negative indicator wither MU can be competitive in FB.

Not starting a fight just saying the CUSA MU will be a better team than AAC MU. You should want the truth and I don't want you to get your hopes up.

(06-24-2019 12:29 AM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 11:37 PM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:45 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  

I love flat out ignorant comments like this. You just informed everyone that you don’t know what you are talking about.

(06-23-2019 11:38 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:53 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:45 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  

Marshall and academics? Are you talking about grey shirts/props?

I’m of the opinion they have a place, but that’s an entirely too long philosophical discussion...

Yes not allowed in AAC, NCAA minimum is minimum for admission to the university.

S.Miss needs to double its budget, needs to quit bitching about $ if they have so much $$$. The years of bitching about $$ is not a good look for a school who wants to move up. If they have the $ they should start spending all they find bc in AAC it is expected to improve your facilities and increase your budget. The few million increases in AAC contract will be less than the expected budget increase from S.Miss current level.

As for Marshall, everybody is Carnegie classification school so that means nothing. Most of AAC has been in conference with Marshall and Presidents/Boosters have seen who they get on their team. MU has had a competitive advantage yet people know MU can't pull that in AAC; so that's a huge negative indicator wither MU can be competitive in FB.

Not starting a fight just saying the CUSA MU will be a better team than AAC MU. You should want the truth and I don't want you to get your hopes up.

So, doubling down on the ignorance. Please, continue telling us what we need to do while essentially saying nothing of substance.

AAC sponsored sports. Football, Baseball, Basketball, VolleyBall, Cross Country, Track, Tennis, Swimming/Diving, Golf, Softball, LAX, Rowing and Soccer.

I think participation in sponsored sports will have an impact on the AAC's decision.

Southern Miss doesn't participate in LAX, Rowing, Men's Soccer and Swimming/Diving.

UAB doesn't participate in LAX, Swimming/Diving and Rowing

Georgia State doesn't participate in LAX, Swimming/Diving and Rowing.

Charlotte doesn't participate in LAX, Swimming/Diving and Rowing,

Old Dominion doesn't participate in Softball, Track and Cross Country. ODU is already an AAC member in Rowing. Plays LAX in the Big East.



With 7 Catholic members, I see the A10 affected by UCONN's decision as the Big East may pluck one of them.

A move to the AAC may not necessarily improve ODU basketball (See UCONN). A move to the A10 with 3 instant rivalries would, in my opinion.

If the A10 has an opening, ODU goes to the A10 and moves football to the MAC with UCONN and maybe JMU and Liberty. ODU is already a MAC member in Wrestling.

If VCU is invited to the Big East, I believe ODU would lobby for one as well. I'm sure ODU would accept a Big East invite over one from the AAC if they both happened at the same time. ODU already has LAX and Field Hockey in the Big East. However, a full invite is a long shot for sure.

Of course, if the AAC invites us before any of these scenarios, ODU would accept it.

(06-24-2019 12:29 AM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 11:37 PM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:45 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  

I love flat out ignorant comments like this. You just informed everyone that you don’t know what you are talking about.

(06-23-2019 11:38 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:53 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:45 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  

Marshall and academics? Are you talking about grey shirts/props?

I’m of the opinion they have a place, but that’s an entirely too long philosophical discussion...

Yes not allowed in AAC, NCAA minimum is minimum for admission to the university.

S.Miss needs to double its budget, needs to quit bitching about $ if they have so much $$$. The years of bitching about $$ is not a good look for a school who wants to move up. If they have the $ they should start spending all they find bc in AAC it is expected to improve your facilities and increase your budget. The few million increases in AAC contract will be less than the expected budget increase from S.Miss current level.

As for Marshall, everybody is Carnegie classification school so that means nothing. Most of AAC has been in conference with Marshall and Presidents/Boosters have seen who they get on their team. MU has had a competitive advantage yet people know MU can't pull that in AAC; so that's a huge negative indicator wither MU can be competitive in FB.

Not starting a fight just saying the CUSA MU will be a better team than AAC MU. You should want the truth and I don't want you to get your hopes up.

While you are correct that USM’s budget is an issue, there’s also the apathy factor our fans are dealing with after being passed up twice and now playing schools in conference no one cares about. Joining the AAC would boost our giving dramatically more than people believe.

(06-24-2019 05:47 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  I'm sure ODU would accept a Big East invite over one from the AAC if they both happened at the same time.

I'm not even going to bother replying to the olympic sports because they don't matter. The only other sport that might matter after football and basketball is Baseball because they are down to 7 teams.
As for the quoted part there is no way ODU takes the Big East offer over AAC if they come in at the same time.

(06-24-2019 07:24 AM)benny_t Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 05:47 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  I'm sure ODU would accept a Big East invite over one from the AAC if they both happened at the same time.

I'm not even going to bother replying to the olympic sports because they don't matter. The only other sport that might matter after football and basketball is Baseball because they are down to 7 teams.
As for the quoted part there is no way ODU takes the Big East offer over AAC if they come in at the same time.

You mean y'all wouldn't want less money and no home for football?

I'm going to defend Southern Miss for a minute.

Budgets are so overblown in this conversation. Southern Miss is one of the most consistent, if not top level brand available. Their lack of budget certainly hasn't stopped them from being competitive,

Did it stop them from owning most of you when you were here a few short years ago?

A big hole will need to be filled if Southern Miss ends up being the team to go.

As for the prop conversation. Let me just give you some perspective.

I worked in the Marshall athletic department a decade ago, got both my bachelor's and master's in athletics. Worked around many great student-athletes at the time, was very integral in the HELP program.

The use of props it's so overblown in this conversation. If Marshall were offered a chance to go to the American, they would stop the practice in a heartbeat.

However, there is a great place for bringing in individuals, who for whatever reason didn't score well enough on a standardized test. Many of these students just need a little bit of coaching academically, and many find their footing after a few years. I have personally seen firsthand student-athletes work very hard and improving their academics, and I've seen others go by the wayside. It's completely up to them. They pay their own way, they do their own work.

I know you're too lazy to probably read any of that so I'm not going to expect a proper response.

(06-24-2019 07:24 AM)benny_t Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 05:47 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  I'm sure ODU would accept a Big East invite over one from the AAC if they both happened at the same time.

I'm not even going to bother replying to the olympic sports because they don't matter. The only other sport that might matter after football and basketball is Baseball because they are down to 7 teams.
As for the quoted part there is no way ODU takes the Big East offer over AAC if they come in at the same time.

There are only a few football teams that matter in the FBS and you can count them all on one hand. The rest of the P5's and G5's don't matter. An ODU vs Navy game played a few miles away from the largest Naval Base in the World may be nice but it doesn't move the needle for ODU football.

Basketball is the only sport where mid-majors (ODU) can compete with P5's. We've already made a bad football decision which also damaged basketball so ODU will be extra careful since it's only a matter of time when conference realignment emerges from hibernation and the AAC isn't the same conference ODU is looking to joined.

That's why a basketball/olympics sports conference (A10/Big East) is in the best interest of ODU athletics.

Quick question - do you think the Big 10 considered performance when they invited Rutgers?

My only suggestion here is try to look at the big picture, I am not sure past performance and brand recognition is any indicator. Otherwise why would Marshall and USM still be in CUSA after all these rounds of realignment?

ODU is currently in the largest market that does not have a professional sports franchise at the highest level (NBA, NHL, MLB, NFL). Which means we compete with nobody, and there are a lot of sports fans who live here. The fan support was exceptionally higher than what people predicted when we started football. It was an instant hit, playing at the 1-AA level. Fast forward to last year, we raised more private donations than any other G5 except for UCF.

Our attendance dwindled last year as the novelty of a new program wore off and the headaches of watching a game from an 80 year old stadium were apparent. That all changes this year with the opening of a new stadium.

Anyway, pimping our own schools has gotten a bit old over the last couple of days, but at least we have something fun to do this offseason. It will probably be all for naught and the AAC will hold until 2025 or whatever year they actually need to do something. In the meantime, ODU/Charlotte/UAB/UNT will continue to grow, as recent trends indicate. Maybe there will be an obvious choice in the coming years and it won't be the 4 I mentioned.

(06-23-2019 10:01 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 09:58 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 09:50 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 08:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Top 5 in C-USA

2017 Athletics Spending
1. ODU $46 million
2. North Texas $36 million
3. FAU $34.1 million
4. MTSU $34 million
5. Charlotte $33.2 million

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

2018 Attendance
1. UTSA- 24,710 (6)
2. UAB- 24,291 (6)
3. Marshall- 24,063 (6)
4. North Texas- 23,355 (6)
5. So Miss- 21,615 (6)

Football Coaches Salaries
1. North Texas- S. Littrell $1,425,000
2. UTSA- F. Wilson $1,100,000
3. FAU- L. Kiffen $1,000,000
4. FIU- B. Davis $945,000
5. UAB- B Clark $900,000

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Football Staff Salaries
1. North Texas- $1,720,000
2. FIU- $1,597,814
3. FAU- $1,500,000
4. UTSA- $1,370,000
5. UTEP- $1,317,500

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salarie.../assistant

Media Markets Rankings
1. North Texas- 5th
2. UAB- 9th
3. Rice- 10th
4. FIU- 16th
5. Charlotte- 24th

Records & Winning Percentages Since Joining C-USA 3.0
1. Marshall 53-26 .670%
2. WKU 40-26 .606% (5 seasons played in C-USA)
3. LA Tech 46-33 .582%
4. MTSU 44-34 .564%
5. UAB 27-24 .5.29% (4 seasons played in C-USA)

Where is record and winning percentage for mens basketball. I think thats a valid category.

I don't have those numbers. I can't do all the work for you guys.

So basically you only included categories that had NT in the top 5. Gotcha.

you might want to read the post again

Boy am I glad UConn left. Things were getting dull around here.

This is a very real possibility because I dont think things are finished. Cincy could go to the Big 12 and AAC adds ODU, UAB and VCU. 14 BBall, 12 football

Football

East
Temple
Navy
ECU
ODU
UCF
USF

West
UAB
Tulsa
Tulane
SMU
Houston
Memphis

BB Only
Wichita St
VCU