(06-27-2019 08:09 AM)army56mike Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 09:50 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  How many bids do you think that would generate? Just looking at the amount of mouths to feed...

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One and possibly two if only the those top two teams had only loss to one another in Conference plus having a great Pre- Conference having defeated at least two of the top 40 in NET.

(06-27-2019 05:58 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Do you guys know how hard it is to get two bids? I don't think there is any one school (or maybe even two) we can add that would put us over the top to getting two bids. The conferences that got multiple bids last season were the Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Big 12, Pac 12, Big East, AAC, A-10, and maybe the WCC. I may be forgetting one (did Belmont get an at-large?) but regardless, it's incredibly hard for a conference like ours. If Liberty didn't win the tournament, they weren't getting a bid. Lipscomb obviously didn't get one and they were arguably better than Liberty. St. Mary's is always on the bubble, typically out if they don't win the WCC over Gonzaga, and they are typically better than our champion. What we really need is to lift the bottom of our conference so that we have less dead weight. Maybe there should be some sort of performance incentives/disincentives to keep schools from falling into the sub 300 RPI/NET or reward those above 150 or whatever the targets.

You are absolutely right, even the CUSA, MAC, and SUNBELT usually doesn’t have more than one.

(06-27-2019 08:32 AM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 08:09 AM)army56mike Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 09:50 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  How many bids do you think that would generate? Just looking at the amount of mouths to feed...

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One and possibly two if only the those top two teams had only loss to one another in Conference plus having a great Pre- Conference having defeated at least two of the top 40 in NET.

Reasons Lipscomb missed out on a bid, unfortunately. That FGCU loss killed their at-large bid. They were in that First Four out, weren't they?

(06-27-2019 08:40 AM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 08:32 AM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 08:09 AM)army56mike Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 09:50 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  How many bids do you think that would generate? Just looking at the amount of mouths to feed...

1

One and possibly two if only the those top two teams had only loss to one another in Conference plus having a great Pre- Conference having defeated at least two of the top 40 in NET.

Reasons Lipscomb missed out on a bid, unfortunately. That FGCU loss killed their at-large bid. They were in that First Four out, weren't they?

Yep, but Liberty winning the tournament killed any other chance of 2 bids. If Lipscomb would have won, Liberty had a better outside shot at an at large.

(06-27-2019 08:38 AM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 05:58 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Do you guys know how hard it is to get two bids? I don't think there is any one school (or maybe even two) we can add that would put us over the top to getting two bids. The conferences that got multiple bids last season were the Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Big 12, Pac 12, Big East, AAC, A-10, and maybe the WCC. I may be forgetting one (did Belmont get an at-large?) but regardless, it's incredibly hard for a conference like ours. If Liberty didn't win the tournament, they weren't getting a bid. Lipscomb obviously didn't get one and they were arguably better than Liberty. St. Mary's is always on the bubble, typically out if they don't win the WCC over Gonzaga, and they are typically better than our champion. What we really need is to lift the bottom of our conference so that we have less dead weight. Maybe there should be some sort of performance incentives/disincentives to keep schools from falling into the sub 300 RPI/NET or reward those above 150 or whatever the targets.

You are absolutely right, even the CUSA, MAC, and SUNBELT usually doesn’t have more than one.

So your saying that C-USA, MAC and Sun Belt are realistically no better moves for someone out of the ASun?

I agree if that's what you are saying.

(06-27-2019 12:34 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 08:38 AM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 05:58 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Do you guys know how hard it is to get two bids? I don't think there is any one school (or maybe even two) we can add that would put us over the top to getting two bids. The conferences that got multiple bids last season were the Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Big 12, Pac 12, Big East, AAC, A-10, and maybe the WCC. I may be forgetting one (did Belmont get an at-large?) but regardless, it's incredibly hard for a conference like ours. If Liberty didn't win the tournament, they weren't getting a bid. Lipscomb obviously didn't get one and they were arguably better than Liberty. St. Mary's is always on the bubble, typically out if they don't win the WCC over Gonzaga, and they are typically better than our champion. What we really need is to lift the bottom of our conference so that we have less dead weight. Maybe there should be some sort of performance incentives/disincentives to keep schools from falling into the sub 300 RPI/NET or reward those above 150 or whatever the targets.

You are absolutely right, even the CUSA, MAC, and SUNBELT usually doesn’t have more than one.

So your saying that C-USA, MAC and Sun Belt are realistically no better moves for someone out of the ASun?

I agree if that's what you are saying.

Yes! If you take FBS football out of the equation.

(06-27-2019 12:34 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 08:38 AM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 05:58 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Do you guys know how hard it is to get two bids? I don't think there is any one school (or maybe even two) we can add that would put us over the top to getting two bids. The conferences that got multiple bids last season were the Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Big 12, Pac 12, Big East, AAC, A-10, and maybe the WCC. I may be forgetting one (did Belmont get an at-large?) but regardless, it's incredibly hard for a conference like ours. If Liberty didn't win the tournament, they weren't getting a bid. Lipscomb obviously didn't get one and they were arguably better than Liberty. St. Mary's is always on the bubble, typically out if they don't win the WCC over Gonzaga, and they are typically better than our champion. What we really need is to lift the bottom of our conference so that we have less dead weight. Maybe there should be some sort of performance incentives/disincentives to keep schools from falling into the sub 300 RPI/NET or reward those above 150 or whatever the targets.

You are absolutely right, even the CUSA, MAC, and SUNBELT usually doesn’t have more than one.

So your saying that C-USA, MAC and Sun Belt are realistically no better moves for someone out of the ASun?

I agree if that's what you are saying.

Bigger fan bases, better name brands, better tv deals, nicer facilities... there are a lot of reasons the SBC is better than the ASUN. I’m not going to compare it to the MAC because that is a lot different than our conference.

(06-27-2019 02:17 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 12:34 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 08:38 AM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 05:58 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Do you guys know how hard it is to get two bids? I don't think there is any one school (or maybe even two) we can add that would put us over the top to getting two bids. The conferences that got multiple bids last season were the Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Big 12, Pac 12, Big East, AAC, A-10, and maybe the WCC. I may be forgetting one (did Belmont get an at-large?) but regardless, it's incredibly hard for a conference like ours. If Liberty didn't win the tournament, they weren't getting a bid. Lipscomb obviously didn't get one and they were arguably better than Liberty. St. Mary's is always on the bubble, typically out if they don't win the WCC over Gonzaga, and they are typically better than our champion. What we really need is to lift the bottom of our conference so that we have less dead weight. Maybe there should be some sort of performance incentives/disincentives to keep schools from falling into the sub 300 RPI/NET or reward those above 150 or whatever the targets.

You are absolutely right, even the CUSA, MAC, and SUNBELT usually doesn’t have more than one.

So your saying that C-USA, MAC and Sun Belt are realistically no better moves for someone out of the ASun?

I agree if that's what you are saying.

Bigger fan bases, better name brands, better tv deals, nicer facilities... there are a lot of reasons the SBC is better than the ASUN. I’m not going to compare it to the MAC because that is a lot different than our conference.

Facilities are misleading, that would be an assumption, but not always true. As far as fan base, not as it seems either, why would Arkansas Little Rock stay in the Sun Belt over moving to the ASun? I'm sure they don't get any football money. Back to facilities, I can point to a Big 10 school that across the board has worse facilities than most of the ASun schools. Rutgers, look at their baseball and softball facilities respectively. And if there is a school in a P5 conference with facilities like that, you know there are more in G5 and FCS conferences.

(06-27-2019 02:43 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 02:17 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 12:34 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 08:38 AM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 05:58 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Do you guys know how hard it is to get two bids? I don't think there is any one school (or maybe even two) we can add that would put us over the top to getting two bids. The conferences that got multiple bids last season were the Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Big 12, Pac 12, Big East, AAC, A-10, and maybe the WCC. I may be forgetting one (did Belmont get an at-large?) but regardless, it's incredibly hard for a conference like ours. If Liberty didn't win the tournament, they weren't getting a bid. Lipscomb obviously didn't get one and they were arguably better than Liberty. St. Mary's is always on the bubble, typically out if they don't win the WCC over Gonzaga, and they are typically better than our champion. What we really need is to lift the bottom of our conference so that we have less dead weight. Maybe there should be some sort of performance incentives/disincentives to keep schools from falling into the sub 300 RPI/NET or reward those above 150 or whatever the targets.

You are absolutely right, even the CUSA, MAC, and SUNBELT usually doesn’t have more than one.

So your saying that C-USA, MAC and Sun Belt are realistically no better moves for someone out of the ASun?

I agree if that's what you are saying.

Bigger fan bases, better name brands, better tv deals, nicer facilities... there are a lot of reasons the SBC is better than the ASUN. I’m not going to compare it to the MAC because that is a lot different than our conference.

Facilities are misleading, that would be an assumption, but not always true. As far as fan base, not as it seems either, why would Arkansas Little Rock stay in the Sun Belt over moving to the ASun? I'm sure they don't get any football money. Back to facilities, I can point to a Big 10 school that across the board has worse facilities than most of the ASun schools. Rutgers, look at their baseball and softball facilities respectively. And if there is a school in a P5 conference with facilities like that, you know there are more in G5 and FCS conferences.

I am talking about the SBC. You can’t be this oblivious to reality...

(06-27-2019 02:51 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 02:43 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 02:17 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 12:34 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 08:38 AM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  You are absolutely right, even the CUSA, MAC, and SUNBELT usually doesn’t have more than one.

So your saying that C-USA, MAC and Sun Belt are realistically no better moves for someone out of the ASun?

I agree if that's what you are saying.

Bigger fan bases, better name brands, better tv deals, nicer facilities... there are a lot of reasons the SBC is better than the ASUN. I’m not going to compare it to the MAC because that is a lot different than our conference.

Facilities are misleading, that would be an assumption, but not always true. As far as fan base, not as it seems either, why would Arkansas Little Rock stay in the Sun Belt over moving to the ASun? I'm sure they don't get any football money. Back to facilities, I can point to a Big 10 school that across the board has worse facilities than most of the ASun schools. Rutgers, look at their baseball and softball facilities respectively. And if there is a school in a P5 conference with facilities like that, you know there are more in G5 and FCS conferences.

I am talking about the SBC. You can’t be this oblivious to reality...

I'm talking overall, not just the SBC, and all together, the fan bases in the SBC isnt that great, Georgia Southern is good, Troy is good, after that it's down hill, especially when you watch a game that claims they have 20k there and you can only see about 5k.

(06-27-2019 06:05 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 02:51 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 02:43 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 02:17 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 12:34 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  So your saying that C-USA, MAC and Sun Belt are realistically no better moves for someone out of the ASun?

I agree if that's what you are saying.

Bigger fan bases, better name brands, better tv deals, nicer facilities... there are a lot of reasons the SBC is better than the ASUN. I’m not going to compare it to the MAC because that is a lot different than our conference.

Facilities are misleading, that would be an assumption, but not always true. As far as fan base, not as it seems either, why would Arkansas Little Rock stay in the Sun Belt over moving to the ASun? I'm sure they don't get any football money. Back to facilities, I can point to a Big 10 school that across the board has worse facilities than most of the ASun schools. Rutgers, look at their baseball and softball facilities respectively. And if there is a school in a P5 conference with facilities like that, you know there are more in G5 and FCS conferences.

I am talking about the SBC. You can’t be this oblivious to reality...

I'm talking overall, not just the SBC, and all together, the fan bases in the SBC isnt that great, Georgia Southern is good, Troy is good, after that it's down hill, especially when you watch a game that claims they have 20k there and you can only see about 5k.

Just in basketball alone they average 550 more fans per game than the ASUN. 2050 to 1500.

(06-27-2019 09:21 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 06:05 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 02:51 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 02:43 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 02:17 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Bigger fan bases, better name brands, better tv deals, nicer facilities... there are a lot of reasons the SBC is better than the ASUN. I’m not going to compare it to the MAC because that is a lot different than our conference.

Facilities are misleading, that would be an assumption, but not always true. As far as fan base, not as it seems either, why would Arkansas Little Rock stay in the Sun Belt over moving to the ASun? I'm sure they don't get any football money. Back to facilities, I can point to a Big 10 school that across the board has worse facilities than most of the ASun schools. Rutgers, look at their baseball and softball facilities respectively. And if there is a school in a P5 conference with facilities like that, you know there are more in G5 and FCS conferences.

I am talking about the SBC. You can’t be this oblivious to reality...

I'm talking overall, not just the SBC, and all together, the fan bases in the SBC isnt that great, Georgia Southern is good, Troy is good, after that it's down hill, especially when you watch a game that claims they have 20k there and you can only see about 5k.

Just in basketball alone they average 550 more fans per game than the ASUN. 2050 to 1500.

9 schools vs 13? And only 550 more average... seems to me like the ASUN has more fans per school...

(06-28-2019 12:12 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 09:21 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 06:05 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 02:51 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 02:43 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  Facilities are misleading, that would be an assumption, but not always true. As far as fan base, not as it seems either, why would Arkansas Little Rock stay in the Sun Belt over moving to the ASun? I'm sure they don't get any football money. Back to facilities, I can point to a Big 10 school that across the board has worse facilities than most of the ASun schools. Rutgers, look at their baseball and softball facilities respectively. And if there is a school in a P5 conference with facilities like that, you know there are more in G5 and FCS conferences.

I am talking about the SBC. You can’t be this oblivious to reality...

I'm talking overall, not just the SBC, and all together, the fan bases in the SBC isnt that great, Georgia Southern is good, Troy is good, after that it's down hill, especially when you watch a game that claims they have 20k there and you can only see about 5k.

Just in basketball alone they average 550 more fans per game than the ASUN. 2050 to 1500.

9 schools vs 13? And only 550 more average... seems to me like the ASUN has more fans per school...

It’s the average for the conference? So it doesn’t matter how many teams they have. They have much better attendance than the ASUN.

Not to mention that’s with FGCU really boosting our averages. I had to use 2018 season because the NCAA hasn’t put out last years totals. My point is if you want this conference to be what you expect then we need the fan bases to show more support and the admin to invest more into facilities. 1500 a game is pretty bad for D1. I know Liberty’s attendance went up a decent bit this year but even in 2018 we averaged over 2k a game. Our goal (Liberty) should be 3k per game. The conference should try to push to 2k.

(06-28-2019 01:23 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 12:12 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 09:21 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 06:05 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 02:51 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  I am talking about the SBC. You can’t be this oblivious to reality...

I'm talking overall, not just the SBC, and all together, the fan bases in the SBC isnt that great, Georgia Southern is good, Troy is good, after that it's down hill, especially when you watch a game that claims they have 20k there and you can only see about 5k.

Just in basketball alone they average 550 more fans per game than the ASUN. 2050 to 1500.

9 schools vs 13? And only 550 more average... seems to me like the ASUN has more fans per school...

It’s the average for the conference? So it doesn’t matter how many teams they have. They have much better attendance than the ASUN.

550 is not that much better.

(06-28-2019 02:21 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 01:23 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 12:12 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 09:21 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 06:05 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  I'm talking overall, not just the SBC, and all together, the fan bases in the SBC isnt that great, Georgia Southern is good, Troy is good, after that it's down hill, especially when you watch a game that claims they have 20k there and you can only see about 5k.

Just in basketball alone they average 550 more fans per game than the ASUN. 2050 to 1500.

9 schools vs 13? And only 550 more average... seems to me like the ASUN has more fans per school...

It’s the average for the conference? So it doesn’t matter how many teams they have. They have much better attendance than the ASUN.

550 is not that much better.

When we are talking about adding 36% of our current attendance on top, it is a lot. To each their own though.

(06-28-2019 03:19 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 02:21 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 01:23 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 12:12 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 09:21 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Just in basketball alone they average 550 more fans per game than the ASUN. 2050 to 1500.

9 schools vs 13? And only 550 more average... seems to me like the ASUN has more fans per school...

It’s the average for the conference? So it doesn’t matter how many teams they have. They have much better attendance than the ASUN.

550 is not that much better.

When we are talking about adding 36% of our current attendance on top, it is a lot. To each their own though.

That could/would be the difference in someone like Kennesaw pr UNF or UNA haveing a good year or not.


But the point is, I would rather have FGCU, Liberty, UNF, Lipscomb, KSU over most of the sun Belt, UNA is basically, minus number of students, same as Troy, South Alabama and Jacksonville State, the Alabama school system pretty much makes sure of that.

But as you said, to each their own.

Looks like maybe no trickle down effect. AAC looks like they may stay at 11. That seems kinda strange. But it’ll save potential heartache and hand wringing from other conferences.

(06-29-2019 06:50 PM)army56mike Wrote:  Looks like maybe no trickle down effect. AAC looks like they may stay at 11. That seems kinda strange. But it’ll save potential heartache and hand wringing from other conferences.

11 is a good number when you consider not having to split revenue an extra way, and scheduling is still easy to do.

(06-28-2019 01:27 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  My point is if you want this conference to be what you expect then we need the fan bases to show more support and the admin to invest more into facilities. 1500 a game is pretty bad for D1. I know Liberty’s attendance went up a decent bit this year but even in 2018 we averaged over 2k a game. Our goal (Liberty) should be 3k per game. The conference should try to push to 2k.

Not to worry -- Bellarmine to the rescue!

I'm being flippant and just goofing around, but BU has averaged close to 2K fans in D-II, and I think that number may go up somewhat in the ASUN.