(06-23-2019 12:20 PM)UCF_SystemsEng Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:09 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 11:48 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  UConn's hasn't made the NCAA in 4 seasons...stay at 11

Except we would lose our AAC CCG in football.

I don't see anything that says you can't have uneven divisions (it only says you have to play everyone in your division)...6/5 works for me.

East: Cincy, Temple, Navy, ECU, USF, UCF
West: Houston, Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane

When UMass was recently in the MAC they had uneven divisions but still held a CCG.

yep...just stay at 11 with 2 divisions 6/5

(06-23-2019 12:19 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:16 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:01 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 11:58 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  Why is everyone so anxious to grab a g4 program that is not capable of adding cash value to our programs (VCU and others)? Just like the NBE and UCONN are basically calling for a do over, we should do the same. We have to also think strategic. First offer Boise and SDSU again ( as full members) because there is no way in either would refuse this time especially for 7mill. Now not only have we vastly improved the football side, but we will be leaving the g4 even farther behind in performance and perception while locking down the ny6 bowl. With those two I'd feel fairly confident that any 3rd team that we would want will see the writing on the wall and jump at an invitation (CSU, Fresno, Airforce, maybe even byu). At that point we will have a genuine western wing that will allow Gonzaga to come in.
14 football members
15 basketball members.
West
SDSU
Boise
Airforce/Gonzaga or byu
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Navy
East-----‐
Memphis
Cincy
Temple
UCF
USF
ECU
Tulane
Now would ESPN help IDK, but there's only one way to find out. This situation is like a free play in football because the defense jumped off sides. THROW IT DEEP LOLOL.

stay at 11

Like I said it's a free play. Go big. The worst thing that can happen is we'll still end up at 11, which is where we are at anyway. We literally have nothing to lose or to be afraid of.

splitting the pie 11 ways means more pie for us...I don't want to share with another team nor do we want to give ESPN a chance to lower our deal.

stay at 11 and ride out our 12 year contract as is...split 11 ways.

Well we would have to go to ESPN first anyway because they would have to greenlight any additions that they'll have to pay for .

(06-23-2019 12:33 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:19 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:16 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:01 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 11:58 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  Why is everyone so anxious to grab a g4 program that is not capable of adding cash value to our programs (VCU and others)? Just like the NBE and UCONN are basically calling for a do over, we should do the same. We have to also think strategic. First offer Boise and SDSU again ( as full members) because there is no way in either would refuse this time especially for 7mill. Now not only have we vastly improved the football side, but we will be leaving the g4 even farther behind in performance and perception while locking down the ny6 bowl. With those two I'd feel fairly confident that any 3rd team that we would want will see the writing on the wall and jump at an invitation (CSU, Fresno, Airforce, maybe even byu). At that point we will have a genuine western wing that will allow Gonzaga to come in.
14 football members
15 basketball members.
West
SDSU
Boise
Airforce/Gonzaga or byu
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Navy
East-----‐
Memphis
Cincy
Temple
UCF
USF
ECU
Tulane
Now would ESPN help IDK, but there's only one way to find out. This situation is like a free play in football because the defense jumped off sides. THROW IT DEEP LOLOL.

stay at 11

Like I said it's a free play. Go big. The worst thing that can happen is we'll still end up at 11, which is where we are at anyway. We literally have nothing to lose or to be afraid of.

splitting the pie 11 ways means more pie for us...I don't want to share with another team nor do we want to give ESPN a chance to lower our deal.

stay at 11 and ride out our 12 year contract as is...split 11 ways.

Well we would have to go to ESPN first anyway because they would have to greenlight any additions that they'll have to pay for .

which is why no one should be added...leave the conference and contract as it is.

I don't think AAC hoops is as dire as some people think. We still have an improving Memphis, a Cincy team that might be able to get past the 1st round of the tournament with a new coach, and Houston. That's a good base.

Just a few schools stepping up should get us 4-5 teams in the tournament most years.

(06-23-2019 12:21 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:20 PM)UCF_SystemsEng Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:09 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 11:48 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  UConn's hasn't made the NCAA in 4 seasons...stay at 11

Except we would lose our AAC CCG in football.

I don't see anything that says you can't have uneven divisions (it only says you have to play everyone in your division)...6/5 works for me.

East: Cincy, Temple, Navy, ECU, USF, UCF
West: Houston, Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane

When UMass was recently in the MAC they had uneven divisions but still held a CCG.

yep...just stay at 11 with 2 divisions 6/5

How do you equalize the number of conference games played with uneven divisions? I haven't figured out a way.

The east division would have an extra OOC game to schedule every year...either 5 OOC games instead of 4...or 4 OOC games instead of 3. Plus I don't see how to equalize the cross division games.

didn't the Big 10 do it for years? you don't have to play everyone...just everyone in your division

(06-23-2019 08:30 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Any way you slice it, losing UCONN is a hit to the AAC hoops and a win for the Big East. We were already facing the 'mid major' moniker by many talking heads while the Big East was seen as Power. This will only add to that.

And while the AAC schools will 'get' to continue to play lame butt conference tourney in a member school arena, UCONN will be highlighted in MSG for the Big East tourney and believe me, it will be packed when they play there, just like it used to be.

I realize football drives the bus yada yada yada and yes, this is the death stroke to UCONN football, but I think they already gave up so they don't care.

There is no add in hoops that will help this. We can add a fb brand that will be an increase, but not hoops.

I have zero faith in AAC leadership and see another CUSA/MAC/Sunbelt team added all sports which, when paired with ecu, tulsa, tulane will only further dilute the conference.

I'm not happy about this and it make me want to see UC get out asap. Alas, there is no place to go right now.

Army football (or BYU) plus VCU basketball and all other sports would make the UConn loss negligible. VCU has probably made the tournament just as much or more than UConn lately. Army or BYU would be a huge upgrade from UConn in football.

No one in Cusa or Sun Belt, MAC, whatever is a legit candidate. If you can’t get BYU or Army just stay at 11. Still a very solid league and P6. Even without UConn

(06-23-2019 02:14 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  I don't think AAC hoops is as dire as some people think. We still have an improving Memphis, a Cincy team that might be able to get past the 1st round of the tournament with a new coach, and Houston. That's a good base.

Just a few schools stepping up should get us 4-5 teams in the tournament most years.

We have the foundation programs in basketball. Even with the UConn surrender, we're in good shape. The problem has always been the bottom of the conference.

(06-23-2019 12:09 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 11:48 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  UConn's hasn't made the NCAA in 4 seasons...stay at 11

Except we would lose our AAC CCG in football.

I don't see anything that says you can't have uneven divisions (it only says you have to play everyone in your division)...6/5 works for me.

East: Cincy, Temple, Navy, ECU, USF, UCF
West: Houston, Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane

Right, you can do that, but it causes problems with everybody's conference schedule. Aresco has said in the past we may ditch divisions, but we don't want unbalanced divisions. It isn't really fair to have one side competing with 5 schools and the other with 6, to get to the CCG.

Also, the division with 6 teams needs 3 more conference games, but the division with 5 teams needs 4 more conference games. Try making that work mathematically, and keeping everybody happy. It's just not clean like the balanced divisions that we have now.

Bottom line is it's unlikely we drop the CCG, and it's unlikely that enough schools would approve going to an unbalanced schedule.

I prefer staying at 11, but I think we'll add somebody (one school or a FO+OO), even if it's not ideal. JMO.

P.S. You moved Navy to the East, and they want to play Tulsa, Tulane and SMU each year, so they are staying West.

(06-23-2019 02:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:09 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 11:48 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  UConn's hasn't made the NCAA in 4 seasons...stay at 11

Except we would lose our AAC CCG in football.

I don't see anything that says you can't have uneven divisions (it only says you have to play everyone in your division)...6/5 works for me.

East: Cincy, Temple, Navy, ECU, USF, UCF
West: Houston, Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane

Right, you can do that, but it causes problems with everybody's conference schedule. Aresco has said in the past we may ditch divisions, but we don't want unbalanced divisions. It isn't really fair to have one side competing with 5 schools and the other with 6, to get to the CCG.

Also, the division with 6 teams needs 3 more conference games, but the division with 5 teams needs 4 more conference games. Try making that work mathematically, and keeping everybody happy. It's just not clean like the balanced divisions that we have now.

Bottom line is it's unlikely we drop the CCG, and it's unlikely that enough schools would approve going to an unbalanced schedule.

I prefer staying at 11, but I think we'll add somebody (one school or a FO+OO), even if it's not ideal. JMO.

P.S. You moved Navy to the East, and they want to play Tulsa, Tulane and SMU each year, so they are staying West.

OK, put us in the East...we can deal with the headache of unbalanced divisions.

only other way is a 10 game conference schedule or drop the champ game. (neither of which is preferable)

unless BYU, Army, or Air Force want to join Football only I don't support expansion.

(06-23-2019 02:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  didn't the Big 10 do it for years? you don't have to play everyone...just everyone in your division

B1G didn’t start having a championship game until Nebraska joined as #12

(06-23-2019 02:33 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 02:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  didn't the Big 10 do it for years? you don't have to play everyone...just everyone in your division

B1G didn’t start having a championship game until Nebraska joined as #12

OK, MAC did it when they had UMass football

(06-23-2019 02:14 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  I don't think AAC hoops is as dire as some people think. We still have an improving Memphis, a Cincy team that might be able to get past the 1st round of the tournament with a new coach, and Houston. That's a good base.

Just a few schools stepping up should get us 4-5 teams in the tournament most years.

Oops...forgot to mention Wichita St as another really good team. I mentioned them in a Tweet on the same subject but forgot about them here.

Hopefully last year was just an anomaly with a lot of players that graduated from the year before.

http://twitter.com/AeroApe51/status/1142988366310494210

(06-23-2019 02:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 02:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:09 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 11:48 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  UConn's hasn't made the NCAA in 4 seasons...stay at 11

Except we would lose our AAC CCG in football.

I don't see anything that says you can't have uneven divisions (it only says you have to play everyone in your division)...6/5 works for me.

East: Cincy, Temple, Navy, ECU, USF, UCF
West: Houston, Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane

Right, you can do that, but it causes problems with everybody's conference schedule. Aresco has said in the past we may ditch divisions, but we don't want unbalanced divisions. It isn't really fair to have one side competing with 5 schools and the other with 6, to get to the CCG.

Also, the division with 6 teams needs 3 more conference games, but the division with 5 teams needs 4 more conference games. Try making that work mathematically, and keeping everybody happy. It's just not clean like the balanced divisions that we have now.

Bottom line is it's unlikely we drop the CCG, and it's unlikely that enough schools would approve going to an unbalanced schedule.

I prefer staying at 11, but I think we'll add somebody (one school or a FO+OO), even if it's not ideal. JMO.

P.S. You moved Navy to the East, and they want to play Tulsa, Tulane and SMU each year, so they are staying West.

OK, put us in the East...we can deal with the headache of unbalanced divisions.

only other way is a 10 game conference schedule or drop the champ game. (neither of which is preferable)

unless BYU, Army, or Air Force want to join Football only I don't support expansion.

You said earlier it was easy. Here is an example of how it would have to work, and you tell me if this is easy, or even acceptable, and would make anybody happy.

It ain't easy, nor pretty nor desirable, but it can be done.

Div A has 6 teams and Div B has 5 teams.

A1 plays A2-6 + B1-3
A2 plays A1, A3-6 + B1-3
A3 plays As + B1-3
A4 plays As + B1-3
A5 plays As + B4-5 + one OOC designated as conf game (for example, Navy could count Air Force)
A6 plays As + B4-5 + one OOC designated as conf game

B1 plays B2-5 + A1-4
Same for B2, B3
B4 plays B1-3+B5, + A5, A6 and 2 OOC designated as conf games
Same for B5

Then rotate through the system each year, moving everybody down a line.

Everybody plays 8 "conference" games every year. But 6 of them total are really OOC games which count in the standings. But still, you played round robin within your division.

THAT's why staying at 11 is a pain in the butt, assuming to you want to keep the CCG.

Hell, even without the CCG, you still would have the same unbalanced scheduling issues.

(06-23-2019 11:12 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 02:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 02:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:09 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Except we would lose our AAC CCG in football.

I don't see anything that says you can't have uneven divisions (it only says you have to play everyone in your division)...6/5 works for me.

East: Cincy, Temple, Navy, ECU, USF, UCF
West: Houston, Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane

Right, you can do that, but it causes problems with everybody's conference schedule. Aresco has said in the past we may ditch divisions, but we don't want unbalanced divisions. It isn't really fair to have one side competing with 5 schools and the other with 6, to get to the CCG.

Also, the division with 6 teams needs 3 more conference games, but the division with 5 teams needs 4 more conference games. Try making that work mathematically, and keeping everybody happy. It's just not clean like the balanced divisions that we have now.

Bottom line is it's unlikely we drop the CCG, and it's unlikely that enough schools would approve going to an unbalanced schedule.

I prefer staying at 11, but I think we'll add somebody (one school or a FO+OO), even if it's not ideal. JMO.

P.S. You moved Navy to the East, and they want to play Tulsa, Tulane and SMU each year, so they are staying West.

OK, put us in the East...we can deal with the headache of unbalanced divisions.

only other way is a 10 game conference schedule or drop the champ game. (neither of which is preferable)

unless BYU, Army, or Air Force want to join Football only I don't support expansion.

You said earlier it was easy. Here is an example of how it would have to work, and you tell me if this is easy, or even acceptable, and would make anybody happy.

It ain't easy, nor pretty nor desirable, but it can be done.

Div A has 6 teams and Div B has 5 teams.

A1 plays A2-6 + B1-3
A2 plays A1, A3-6 + B1-3
A3 plays As + B1-3
A4 plays As + B1-3
A5 plays As + B4-5 + one OOC designated as conf game (for example, Navy could count Air Force)
A6 plays As + B4-5 + one OOC designated as conf game

B1 plays B2-5 + A1-4
Same for B2, B3
B4 plays B1-3+B5, + A5, A6 and 2 OOC designated as conf games
Same for B5

Then rotate through the system each year, moving everybody down a line.

Everybody plays 8 "conference" games every year. But 6 of them total are really OOC games which count in the standings. But still, you played round robin within your division.

THAT's why staying at 11 is a pain in the butt, assuming to you want to keep the CCG.

Hell, even without the CCG, you still would have the same unbalanced scheduling issues.

you're right. That ain't pretty...I mean, Navy could pull it off by designating Air Force but yeah...some one would get shafted.

you've pretty much got me convinced. How do you feel about Air Force football only or CSU all sports?

I feel like Tulane hoops needs to start winning NOW. With no UConn, there won't be margin for error in having bad teams.

In football there is no change in the narrative.

(06-23-2019 11:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 11:12 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 02:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 02:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:09 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I don't see anything that says you can't have uneven divisions (it only says you have to play everyone in your division)...6/5 works for me.

East: Cincy, Temple, Navy, ECU, USF, UCF
West: Houston, Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane

Right, you can do that, but it causes problems with everybody's conference schedule. Aresco has said in the past we may ditch divisions, but we don't want unbalanced divisions. It isn't really fair to have one side competing with 5 schools and the other with 6, to get to the CCG.

Also, the division with 6 teams needs 3 more conference games, but the division with 5 teams needs 4 more conference games. Try making that work mathematically, and keeping everybody happy. It's just not clean like the balanced divisions that we have now.

Bottom line is it's unlikely we drop the CCG, and it's unlikely that enough schools would approve going to an unbalanced schedule.

I prefer staying at 11, but I think we'll add somebody (one school or a FO+OO), even if it's not ideal. JMO.

P.S. You moved Navy to the East, and they want to play Tulsa, Tulane and SMU each year, so they are staying West.

OK, put us in the East...we can deal with the headache of unbalanced divisions.

only other way is a 10 game conference schedule or drop the champ game. (neither of which is preferable)

unless BYU, Army, or Air Force want to join Football only I don't support expansion.

You said earlier it was easy. Here is an example of how it would have to work, and you tell me if this is easy, or even acceptable, and would make anybody happy.

It ain't easy, nor pretty nor desirable, but it can be done.

Div A has 6 teams and Div B has 5 teams.

A1 plays A2-6 + B1-3
A2 plays A1, A3-6 + B1-3
A3 plays As + B1-3
A4 plays As + B1-3
A5 plays As + B4-5 + one OOC designated as conf game (for example, Navy could count Air Force)
A6 plays As + B4-5 + one OOC designated as conf game

B1 plays B2-5 + A1-4
Same for B2, B3
B4 plays B1-3+B5, + A5, A6 and 2 OOC designated as conf games
Same for B5

Then rotate through the system each year, moving everybody down a line.

Everybody plays 8 "conference" games every year. But 6 of them total are really OOC games which count in the standings. But still, you played round robin within your division.

THAT's why staying at 11 is a pain in the butt, assuming to you want to keep the CCG.

Hell, even without the CCG, you still would have the same unbalanced scheduling issues.

you're right. That ain't pretty...I mean, Navy could pull it off by designating Air Force but yeah...some one would get shafted.

you've pretty much got me convinced. How do you feel about Air Force football only or CSU all sports?

I think Air Force football only + VCU would be fine.

Same with Army, but a little more clunky with Navy here.

Given neither possibility, I guess CSU all sports would be about the best single combo of football and basketball realistically available. But it wouldn't get me too excited.

It also would likely move Memphis to the East, which I would like, b/c we would get to play UC and UCF every year.

I would prefer Boise or BYU football only + VCU, but I'm sure neither of those will happen.

(06-23-2019 10:34 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  http://twitter.com/AeroApe51/status/1142988366310494210

lol....I dont care what they say---that there is some funny stuff.

(06-24-2019 12:43 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 11:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 11:12 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 02:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 02:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Right, you can do that, but it causes problems with everybody's conference schedule. Aresco has said in the past we may ditch divisions, but we don't want unbalanced divisions. It isn't really fair to have one side competing with 5 schools and the other with 6, to get to the CCG.

Also, the division with 6 teams needs 3 more conference games, but the division with 5 teams needs 4 more conference games. Try making that work mathematically, and keeping everybody happy. It's just not clean like the balanced divisions that we have now.

Bottom line is it's unlikely we drop the CCG, and it's unlikely that enough schools would approve going to an unbalanced schedule.

I prefer staying at 11, but I think we'll add somebody (one school or a FO+OO), even if it's not ideal. JMO.

P.S. You moved Navy to the East, and they want to play Tulsa, Tulane and SMU each year, so they are staying West.

OK, put us in the East...we can deal with the headache of unbalanced divisions.

only other way is a 10 game conference schedule or drop the champ game. (neither of which is preferable)

unless BYU, Army, or Air Force want to join Football only I don't support expansion.

You said earlier it was easy. Here is an example of how it would have to work, and you tell me if this is easy, or even acceptable, and would make anybody happy.

It ain't easy, nor pretty nor desirable, but it can be done.

Div A has 6 teams and Div B has 5 teams.

A1 plays A2-6 + B1-3
A2 plays A1, A3-6 + B1-3
A3 plays As + B1-3
A4 plays As + B1-3
A5 plays As + B4-5 + one OOC designated as conf game (for example, Navy could count Air Force)
A6 plays As + B4-5 + one OOC designated as conf game

B1 plays B2-5 + A1-4
Same for B2, B3
B4 plays B1-3+B5, + A5, A6 and 2 OOC designated as conf games
Same for B5

Then rotate through the system each year, moving everybody down a line.

Everybody plays 8 "conference" games every year. But 6 of them total are really OOC games which count in the standings. But still, you played round robin within your division.

THAT's why staying at 11 is a pain in the butt, assuming to you want to keep the CCG.

Hell, even without the CCG, you still would have the same unbalanced scheduling issues.

you're right. That ain't pretty...I mean, Navy could pull it off by designating Air Force but yeah...some one would get shafted.

you've pretty much got me convinced. How do you feel about Air Force football only or CSU all sports?

I think Air Force football only + VCU would be fine.

Same with Army, but a little more clunky with Navy here.

Given neither possibility, I guess CSU all sports would be about the best single combo of football and basketball realistically available. But it wouldn't get me too excited.

It also would likely move Memphis to the East, which I would like, b/c we would get to play UC and UCF every year.

I would prefer Boise or BYU football only + VCU, but I'm sure neither of those will happen.

Im good with any of those options.