(06-24-2019 07:11 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  @geminicoog

app st and rice?????????? NO!


keep your day job

How did a troll account get 6,000 posts?

Army, football only. No add for basketball.

Army has a die-hard following and will put people in seats, home and away. And you might get the chance to visit the most scenic college football venue on the planet for a game in October against your team. Army and Navy in the same conference multiplies the conference visibility. And don't kid yourself, now that Army has tasted recent football success, it's not likely to drop back to bottom-10 status anytime soon.

And no add for basketball, less teams equals faster rivalry development. Answer this question: How amped were you to see UConn basketball against your team? My guess, you yawned.

Sorry, I don't see UConn as a loss to the AAC unless they regain year-in, year-out final four contender. And even then, losing UConn Football is just upside for the AAC.

(06-24-2019 11:27 AM)qwerty1 Wrote:  And don't kid yourself, now that Army has tasted recent football success, it's not likely to drop back to bottom-10 status anytime soon.

How do you figure this?

(06-24-2019 11:27 AM)qwerty1 Wrote:  And no add for basketball, less teams equals faster rivalry development.

Can you explain your reasoning here too?

(06-24-2019 11:27 AM)qwerty1 Wrote:  Army, football only. No add for basketball.

Army has a die-hard following and will put people in seats, home and away. And you might get the chance to visit the most scenic college football venue on the planet for a game in October against your team. Army and Navy in the same conference multiplies the conference visibility. And don't kid yourself, now that Army has tasted recent football success, it's not likely to drop back to bottom-10 status anytime soon.

And no add for basketball, less teams equals faster rivalry development. Answer this question: How amped were you to see UConn basketball against your team? My guess, you yawned.

Sorry, I don't see UConn as a loss to the AAC unless they regain year-in, year-out final four contender. And even then, losing UConn Football is just upside for the AAC.

Qwerty1, man what an original username. You really put some thought into that one.

Putting that aside, Army has some benefits, to be sure, but I can't get over the fact that they were terrible for so long until the very recent uptick. I mean they could barely win a game. They sucked in CUSA. Are we now to believe they are gonna come in and be consistently decent in the AAC? I mean, sure, they can't be worse that UConn. But, I just fear we may see the return of bad Army football for the next 20 years.

(06-22-2019 07:52 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  This is a great opportunity for us. UCONN sucks in football and will never be good.

We want to be P6 we need a football school. Not many options but we get the right program we gain a lot from this.

I think that we should look at this move strategically and look at teams like UNLV, San Diego State, and Air Force. I like you and UNLV and San Diego State because of their final four appearances in basketball and the possibility of their local bowl games becoming part of the AAC Bowl Game lineup.

(06-24-2019 11:38 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 11:27 AM)qwerty1 Wrote:  Army, football only. No add for basketball.

Army has a die-hard following and will put people in seats, home and away. And you might get the chance to visit the most scenic college football venue on the planet for a game in October against your team. Army and Navy in the same conference multiplies the conference visibility. And don't kid yourself, now that Army has tasted recent football success, it's not likely to drop back to bottom-10 status anytime soon.

And no add for basketball, less teams equals faster rivalry development. Answer this question: How amped were you to see UConn basketball against your team? My guess, you yawned.

Sorry, I don't see UConn as a loss to the AAC unless they regain year-in, year-out final four contender. And even then, losing UConn Football is just upside for the AAC.

Qwerty1, man what an original username. You really put some thought into that one.

Putting that aside, Army has some benefits, to be sure, but I can't get over the fact that they were terrible for so long until the very recent uptick. I mean they could barely win a game. They sucked in CUSA. Are we now to believe they are gonna come in and be consistently decent in the AAC? I mean, sure, they can't be worse that UConn. But, I just fear we may see the return of bad Army football for the next 20 years.

I would take them simply because they bring an actual, national fanbase. Like BYU, they bring real eyeballs. Their fans will fill our stadiums on gamedays, and their draw will help our ratings. This is true whether they are 10-2 or 2-10.

I'll take that over a team with zero interest that just happens to have an empty stadium located in a big city. In other words, I don't subscribe to the C-USA expansion philosophy.

(06-24-2019 11:10 AM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 07:11 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  @geminicoog

app st and rice?????????? NO!


keep your day job

How did a troll account get 6,000 posts?

Because I'm not a troll account. Surely you can't be serious?

(06-24-2019 07:11 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  @geminicoog

app st and rice?????????? NO!


keep your day job

What's wrong with App State as a football only member?

Army has next to nothing to gain by joining a G5 conference other than losing 100% autonomy. Boise State is in a conference that ranks, consistently, as high as the AAC since the AAC's inception. BYU would lose 100% autonomy and the geographic fit is horrendous.

UMass is likely to get a look for all sports before the AAC moves on to the football/basketball split membership.

(06-24-2019 11:58 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Boise State is in a conference that ranks, consistently, as high as the AAC since the AAC's inception.

(06-24-2019 11:39 AM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 07:52 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  This is a great opportunity for us. UCONN sucks in football and will never be good.

We want to be P6 we need a football school. Not many options but we get the right program we gain a lot from this.

I think that we should look at this move strategically and look at teams like UNLV, San Diego State, and Air Force. I like you and UNLV and San Diego State because of their final four appearances in basketball and the possibility of their local bowl games becoming part of the AAC Bowl Game lineup.

You're not going to get Boise State, SDSU, BYU, or Army.

You may get UMass. This is why UMass went independent and they fill the void in the Northeast that UConn would be vacating. New on campus facilities, traditionally competitive basketball program, flagship school, and what was a decent football program before the athletic department ran it into the ground by playing in the MAC.

Other than that, your best option for football, now, would likely be App State. Quality facilities, good ratings, established success, and appears to be ready to up the available athletic budget with improved fundraising. App and ECU would add a true rivalry game, despite what ECU folks think, to a conference lacking any sense geographically and without a true rivalry to be mentioned.

The "markets" strategy has shown to be overrated and not at all applicable to assessing the revenue generated by the sport for that conference. Success brings in money. Success breeds success.

(06-23-2019 02:40 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 12:29 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Give Army a call. They might be interested this time. If they say no, I’d say Old Dominion makes sense. UAB is building a new stadium and they came back from the dead plus they have history with the vast majority of schools. Those would be the 3 schools I’d considered if I was the commissioner.

UAB? Have you lost your ever-loving mind?? Lol. I know ECU fans are really hoping to play some more games in Birmingham in front of 35 fans in an empty stadium. We don’t need any more schools with no fans

Someone clearly hasn't checked in with UAB lately.

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BYU and BSU are not joining AAC. That said, the answer to the OPs question is Southern Miss and Marshall. You may not want us, but that is the answer.

(06-23-2019 01:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Looking at that---after BYU, Army, and AF---your best reasonable possibility is Colorado St. New stadium. Some football success. Typically solid in basketball. The geography is viable for a single school addition. Budget is around 45 million or so if I remember correctly. It would add a new state. Boise works as well---but thats getting pretty far out there for a single school outlier. A 3 team AF, Boise, CSU is kinda intriguing. Adds a lot to the AAC---gives us late night TV content---and guts the MW of 2 of its top TV draws.

My inclination however is if we cant land BYU, Army, or AF---we might be better off standing pat. CSU appears to be the only other school that might marginally be worth it at this time---but I think standing pat might be the more prudent option.

There is almost no chance that Colorado St would ever give up their regional conf games vs the likes of Air Force, Boise St, Wyoming, Utah St et al to TRAVEL and play the likes of Temple, ECU, UCF, usf, etc....

Going to go ahead and point out that reasons why you think a certain school would be a bad fit does not equal reasons why your school would be a good fit.


With that said, carry on...

(06-23-2019 01:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 07:52 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  This is a great opportunity for us. UCONN sucks in football and will never be good.

We want to be P6 we need a football school. Not many options but we get the right program we gain a lot from this.

Thats not really the question. The real question is who moves the needle in football who would say "Yes".


If we use attendance for some of the team being mentioned as a proxy for "moving the needle"

Air Force----27,701
Akron-------18,515
ArkySt------19,834
Army--------31,693
Boise--------33,068
Buffalo------18,380
BYU---------52,476
CSU---------29,504 (new stadium)
FIU----------15,685
Georgia So--16,802
Fresno------31,503
Georgia St--16,615
LaTech------17,525
Marshall----24,063
UMass------10,385
NewMexico-16,587
N Tex-------23,355
NIU---------10,404
ODU--------19,633
Rice---------20,172
SDSU-------31,439
S Miss------21,615
Texas St----13,115
Toledo------21,252
Troy--------24,527
UAB--------24,291
UConn-----20,924 (what we are replacing)
UTSA-------24,710
WKU--------14,231

Looking at that---after BYU, Army, and AF---your best reasonable possibility is Colorado St. New stadium. Some football success. Typically solid in basketball. The geography is viable for a single school addition. Budget is around 45 million or so if I remember correctly. It would add a new state. Boise works as well---but thats getting pretty far out there for a single school outlier. A 3 team AF, Boise, CSU is kinda intriguing. Adds a lot to the AAC---gives us late night TV content---and guts the MW of 2 of its top TV draws.

My inclination however is if we cant land BYU, Army, or AF---we might be better off standing pat. CSU appears to be the only other school that might marginally be worth it at this time---but I think standing pat might be the more prudent option.

This is an excellent point. I don’t think for a second BYU or other MWC schools want in.

(06-24-2019 12:04 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  The "markets" strategy has shown to be overrated and not at all applicable to assessing the revenue generated by the sport for that conference. Success brings in money. Success breeds success.

Yet markets work, especially in regards to expense...traveling expense for all olympic sports programs.

Ever try to fly into UMASS (Amherst) on a commercial flight? Nearest main airport is in Harford, CT. (Boston International is about 2 hours away).

No one really cares about UMASS Football and even Basksetball (most year) in Western Massachusetts.

UMASS Football Only, UMASS Basketball/Olympic Sports Option or UMASS All-Sports Option all have ZERO chance at ever being invited to join the AAC.

Hey Noodles -

I’m not going to post your entire rant because it’s too long.

But don’t pretend your school didn’t sellout.

You could’ve-would’ve-should’ve been in the AAC except you fired your loyal and exceptional AF coach and alumnus Jeff Bower and then promptly sh!t the bed in football right when the league was formed, making the decision to keep y’all out an easy one. USM sold out before the current AAC, and I say that actually favoring y’all.

So don’t come on to our board crying about our decisions.

If you want to move the needle on football, you go App State if you can't get Boise or BYU. We are the definition of consistency when it comes to being a top tier football program. I have compiled a few stats to consider. I'll just leave this here:

Since 1994
- Winning record every year except one
- 12 double digit wins seasons during that span
- Top 2 in conference for 22 seasons
- Conference championships
- 4-0 in bowl games since becoming bowl eligible four years ago
- One of only four teams to be top 20 scoring offense and defense last season (Alabama, UGA, Clemson)
-8th in wins over the past 5 years for all FBS teams (only other G5 ahead of us is Boise)

(06-22-2019 09:50 PM)Noodles Wrote:  If it had ever been about football, USM would have been chosen before any of you.

Truth. In a perfect world USM would have been a charter member of the AAC.

(06-24-2019 12:00 PM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 11:58 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Boise State is in a conference that ranks, consistently, as high as the AAC since the AAC's inception.

Check it out...friend.

The AAC is not as highly touted as it's members fans believe it to be. I would call it Big East Lite but really its C-USA Part Dueax.

You all can't move to another conference with basically the same schools and believe that simply rebranding old C-USA will change the results. In a nutshell, nothing changed but the title and the misguided belief that the AAC is close to the P5. You aren't, as the TV deal showed.

Without UCF the past two seasons, the AAC finishes behind the MWC. UCF has become the model of consistency as Boise State has done with the Mountain West. Those two schools alone carry their respective conference.